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The only ridiculous here is you. The Inspiron comes in different flavors. Try the 545 Slim.

I guess I made that up too...

You said "My work Dell desktop is a full size Inspiron", now you want to change it to slim. Not only ignorant, but deceitful as well. Nice combo.

BTW the Slim is still 17.3L, still double the volume of the Gateway.

What next, you real meant the Inspiron Zino, when you said full size?
 
would it be a problem to use the server at home?

i like having two 500 gig drives.


i'm just curious about the server OS.
 
You said "My work Dell desktop is a full size Inspiron", now you want to change it to slim. Not only ignorant, but deceitful as well. Nice combo.

BTW the Slim is still 17.3L, still double the volume of the Gateway.

What next, you real meant the Inspiron Zino, when you said full size?

No, I see the Inspiron Slim as a full size desktop. Just like a Mini tower/Mid Tower or Full tower were all full sized desktop towers back in 1995.

The fact is, something as big as that Gateway is not a SFF PC in 2010. Especially not compared to the Mini, Dell Studio Hybrid, Acer Revo or other small form factor PCs.

Heck, most mini-itx cases are smaller than that. Gateway had to do much less sacrifices in order to make their product, and it's not as small, quiet or power efficient as the real deal.

It's not competing in the same segment at all. No matter how much you want it to be so, so you can claim the Mini is overpriced and rant till you're red in the face. Just move on, Apple doesn't make computers in the segment you want.
 
1. I'm sure at some point physical data will go away. However, that day is years, if not decades, away.
Physical Media is not going away until the internet is reliable and FAST. (No, the USA doesn't count. It has to be world wide)
To add to those two comments I think if anything physical media is actually going to make a slight comeback (if it was declining to begin with) because of ISP rules of usage. People who say "physical media is dying" are generally on unlimited-usage Internet service. As more and more ISPs institute usage caps to deter file sharing, people may find they have to "budget" their usage of service more and obtain their HD video from another source.

Plus, there are all the people who actually, like, can see and hear quality HD. The product that comes from Apple, Netflix streaming, etc may be very good (I wouldn't know personally), but you're not going to blow smoke up my butt and tell me it's as good as a 25-50 GB BluRay, which is itself still a "lossy" compressed format (for video at least).

3. If Apple gave us true HD, at or above 1080p, then sure you might a good point. However, Apple hardware (Apple TV, iPad, iPhone 4) are stuck at the extended definition (ED) of 720p level.
Nitpick: "ED" actually means Enhanced Definition, and the only requirements to be technically ED are that the resolution me 480 (NTSC) or 576 (PAL) and progressive, rather than interlaced. So even "standard definition" content on iTunes is technically "ED". 720p is considered HD.

Having a Bluray player in the Mac Mini would only increase sales as folks would rather have fewer boxes hooked to their TVs to switch between, and they wouldn't have to consider the cost of a separate BluRay player in a purchasing decision. Plus, then Apple could do software-type feature upgrades so the machine would be "future-proof" to newer BluRay specs. This is a value add feature that PS3 owners are familiar with. Remember when BluRay players first came out? The cheapest way to buy one was to get a PS3 because Sony was selling the hardware at a loss back then to increase adoption of the new console. When BluRay Profile 2.0 came out, people with earlier stand-alone players had to buy new BluRay players to take advantage of the new features, but PS3 owners got a software update that upgraded their player, and Sony did it again recently so now all PS3's are BluRay 3D compatible.

Not having BluRay in the Apple TV or computers is hurting them. It has been shown that Microsoft is losing sales in the console wars to casual gamers because they don't have BluRay in the XBox360 and PS3 does. Both consoles are the same price and have similar hardware capabilities, so consumers who aren't looking for certain XBox exclusive titles see it as a no-brainer. A laptop with a decent screen size can double as an entertainment device in a college dorm room, but you can't get a BluRay player on an Apple laptop. The new iMac 27" with the HDMI port is proof Apple's aware of this (especially since you can only use the port when the Mac is operating). Apple gave the functionality to keep people from not even considering the machine from lack of BluRay, but made it difficult to use the functionality to keep someone from taking a 27" iMac and just using it as an HDMI monitor and ignoring the computer side of it.

Apple is clearly using their total control of AppleTV and Macintosh hardware to keep BluRay off the platform so it doesn't compete with their own iTunes service. Just like they don't allow playback of AVI or MKV files even though it would not have any negative impact on playback of "Apple" formats. If Power Computing were still around, we'd have BluRay on Macs.
 
That was entirely a result of better parental controls on macs and the affordable mini making it possible in our budget.

I'd like to get the new mini as a HTPC, but the price doesn't work for me. I'm not complaining. I just won't buy one.

I find the parental control comment interesting since Apple seems to have no controls what-so-ever in iTunes to manage parental control over movies and music. Namely, I have two AppleTV units and it would have been nice to have some kind of password protection on them and the iTunes main server for movies of a certain rating, etc. There are times when visiting relatives with children are here and I don't want them browsing certain movie categories above their age range and since there's no way to do that I have to make sure they cannot even use the system when not supervised (i.e. shut down the server so ATV can not stream the movies). Given all Apple movies typically are rated (and with MetaX it's simple to rate your own encodes), it seems like a no-brainer to include password protection on iTunes and Apple TV (e.g. set all R-rated movies to require password to even appear)

Then he has plenty of choices. The Mini, base iMac or Macbook are all affordable.

The fact is, you can't compare a full sized desktop computer with a Mac Mini without throwing in the small form factor. It doesn't work.

This is why you and every other Mini whiner fail, not Apple. You're not asking for this model. This is Apple's SFF offering. You're all asking for this

That's the point though, Apple doesn't make that anymore. Get over it. The Mini is not there to replace the cheap PowerMac. The Mini is what it is. It's

End of story. You can whine and bitch all you want, the mini isn't even the product you want. Why should Apple take a successful product like the Mini and cannibalize it for a few whiners ? Have you ever seen how fast the Minis disappear from the Refurb store ?

At least one guy here is honest about his lack of intellectual prowess. The Mac Mini isn't a regular desktop tower. Comparing it to regular desktop towers is nonsense. You're not in the market for a SFF, we get that. Why even bother looking at the mini ?

First of all, I would ask you to stop insulting people (lack of intellectural prowess? Sheesh).

Secondly, the reason people are comparing the Mini to PowerMacs is that Apple CLAIMS it is a "desktop" and this is false advertising. It is NOT a desktop in the sense of the parts it contains. It's essentially a mobile computer without a monitor (virtually identical to the Macbook). But Apple should not claim it *OR* iMacs are "desktop computers" when they (by your account) are *NOT*. But therein lies the problem. Apple has NO desktop computers PERIOD except the "Mac Pro" and it's a workstation class computer so it's not really a desktop either. Apple essentially has no desktop computers! Even their quad-core (27" ONLY) i7 iMac has a mobility version of the Radeon 4850 in it. Mobility? On a DESKTOP? BZZZT. Sorry, that disqualifies it from being a real desktop computer. No "desktop" uses laptop parts.

So personally, I feel the whining is VERY warranted on this matter because Apple needs to start selling ACTUAL DESKTOPS for consumers again (not just professionals). If Steve Jobs is going to call "desktops" a "truck" then he darn well better start offering me a "truck" to buy instead of a 4-door Subaru Impreza Wagon and calling it a truck when it's just not (and I own a WRX Wagon so I know from whence I speak; it in no way replaces a truck. Yes, it's better than a Chevy Cobalt, but it's not a truck.

Apple doesn't make a regular desktop. If people want that, they shouldn't be shopping at Apple to begin with.

LOL. If that's not the classical Mac attitude, I don't know what is. It's the "you don't deserve a Mac because you don't 'get it" complex. The thing is that some of us actually are computer users and some of us have the need for more than one computer to boot. I own a MBP and I use Logic Studio 2.0 (Logic 9.1). I NEED a "Mac" to run this software. I use a MBP. I have Mac software and I like the Mac OS. It should be Apple catering to my needs, not the other way around. You are correct that they do NOT do that right now. And that is why I will gladly build a Hackintosh tower that will cost half the price of a stock Mac Pro and run circles around it. I guess you are correct in that I won't be "shopping at Apple" for this machine, but that doesn't mean I don't want to run OSX.

That's the point. Know your needs and shop accordingly. Don't go dissing a product if that's not the product you need in the first place. People who don't want diminutive laptop components in their home computers don't shop for the Dell Studio Hybrid, why are they shopping for the Mac Mini ?

Don't 'diss' people that don't agree with your view of life. Why are they shopping? I didn't know we were shopping in this thread. I thought people were discussing the release of Apple's newest "desktop" that not actually a desktop and lamenting the fact they cannot get high performance "desktop" hardware from Apple PERIOD. Apple could easily release a consumer desktop Mac using the case from the Mac Pro. It would be simple to do. It could have a high-end GPU and a quad i7 and space for expansion and cost around $1500 without a monitor and it would sell like hotcakes. Some Apple fanatics don't believe it would sell and that Apple must know best since they are making money, but no no one can really know until it's put on the market. I know I'd buy one. I'd RATHER buy a real Apple product, but Apple leaves me no choice but to go Hackintosh when they refuse to offer true desktops or even a netbook. My "needs" are hardware ones. My choice is OSX. Apple needs to learn the difference. It's why we need clones.

3, If Apple gave us true HD, at or above 1080p, then sure you might a good point. However, Apple hardware (Apple TV, iPad, iPhone 4) are stuck at the extended definition (ED) of 720p level.

It's fine if you don't like 720p, but 720p is high definition whether you think it is or not. It is most certainly not called "extended definition". Otherwise, there would be no "high definition" being broadcast from traditional sources since 1080i is arguably not better than 720p and no broadcast station can do 1080p. People need to start using correct terminology and stop with the attitude. Most people that argue 1080p is a must don't even have a set size/seating distance to even SEE 1080p worth of resolution (e.g. a 50" set at 10 feet is equivalent to 720p to the eye; it CANNOT see more resolution than that at that size/distance). I have a 93" screen at 9 feet. I CAN see the difference and I would not call 720p "extended definition". Apple's 720p rentals look BETTER than ANY "HD" on broadcast or cable here (1080i or 720p). Only Blu-Ray would do better and really only at that kind of size since I see NO artifacts from Apple's 720p movies what-so-ever (I cannot say the same of HD movies rented "on demand" which are very blocky at times).
 
I find the parental control comment interesting since Apple seems to have no controls what-so-ever in iTunes to manage parental control over movies and music.
ORLY?

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This is iTunes 8.0.2

They're very hard to get to. You see, you have to go to the "Preferences" panel. Not sure why they'd put it in such an arcane place.
 
ORLY?

This is iTunes 8.0.2

They're very hard to get to. You see, you have to go to the "Preferences" panel. Not sure why they'd put it in such an arcane place.

The only problem with it is that it doesn't DO *anything* for what I talked about. It's for the iTunes store and "sharing" only. It has NO effect on Apple TV units and it does not prevent any kind of access of said content on the iTunes server it's running on (i.e. ask for a password or something to prevent access to R movies). Thus, it essentially does NOTHING and might as well not even be there since it's USELESS for a whole house audio/video setup.

It "might" work if you had another computer running iTunes in "shared" mode (I have not tested this), but that doesn't help with an Apple TV powered home theater setup AT ALL.

I love the attitude BTW. :rolleyes:
 
The only problem with it is that it doesn't DO *anything* for what I talked about. It's for the iTunes store and "sharing" only.
Your statement was that "Apple seems to have no controls what-so-ever in iTunes to manage parental control over movies and music." That's a rather blanket assertion when they have an entire tab in the Preferences devoted to it. Here's the sum of Winamp's options for comparison:

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Note that they only specify "online media" (which I guess means streaming movies and music in this case). Nothing about content in the Library, either. I looked in the other tabs, no prefs for restrictions there.

How about Windows Media Player?

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I looked all over and this is all that I could find. DVD playback restriction. Nothing about anything else in library or online streaming. No way to disable any features, either.

Looks to me like iTunes is ahead of the curve.

It has NO effect on Apple TV units and it does not prevent any kind of access of said content on the iTunes server it's running on (i.e. ask for a password or something to prevent access to R movies).
If you had the parental controls turned on in iTunes, it would not be possible for a youngster to acquire the "explicit" content to begin with from the iTunes Store. If this person has a credit or debit card to open their own iTunes store account, they are going to be old enough to make these decisions on their own.

Thus, it essentially does NOTHING and might as well not even be there since it's USELESS for a whole house audio/video setup.
Er. keep "explicit" content on Mom & Dad's own computers, don't share that portion of the library over the network?

It "might" work if you had another computer running iTunes in "shared" mode (I have not tested this)...
You would have to disable access to shared libraries (as shown on the parental controls), or set precise sharing lists so that content isn't available. Actually, that would be easy. Just set up a smart playlist that excludes files with a certain word in their comments (Ex: "restrict") and then add that word to the comments of files you don't want shared (you can shift/control-click and then edit multiple items to save time). Now share only that smart playlist and you've removed the files. It would be easier if the content rating was a one categories you could chose on the Smart Playlist setup. (Something to suggest to Apple?)

...but that doesn't help with an Apple TV powered home theater setup AT ALL.
AppleTV interface != iTunes. If there is a lack of parental control on AppleTV, it's an AppleTV issue. Making AppleTV controllable by an application on another machine just sounds like a security risk.

I love the attitude BTW. :rolleyes:
Sarcasm is one more free service we offer.
 
No, I see the Inspiron Slim as a full size desktop. Just like a Mini tower/Mid Tower or Full tower were all full sized desktop towers back in 1995.

The rationalizations and weaseling never end. So "you see" the slim case as full size. What do "you see" the normal size Inspiron case as? Also as indicated even the slim is Double the size of the gateway.

The fact is, something as big as that Gateway is not a SFF PC in 2010. Especially not compared to the Mini, Dell Studio Hybrid, Acer Revo or other small form factor PCs.

No. The fact is the Gateways is clearly and absolutely an SFF and you just can't admit you are wrong. Have you done any searches to verify your claims? Either you haven't or you are lying now.

It's not competing in the same segment at all. No matter how much you want it to be so.

It is an SFF no matter how much you deny it. Its your ignorant blowhard statement that I mainly take exception to. You are either maintaining willful ignorance, or lying at this point.

SFF Definitions:

Sliverstone Definition: Under 23 L:
http://www.silverstonetek.com/tech/wh_sg01.php?area=

Building the perfect PC: Under 20 L:
" ... Any case with a volume of 20 liters or less fits our definition of SFF. ..."
http://books.google.ca/books?id=jPG...mall form factor pc definition volume&f=false

Top SFFs: (most equal/larger than gateway and gateway is often near top)
http://compreviews.about.com/od/sff/tp/SFFPCs.htm

http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/?filter=1101504_13147765_&tag=mncol;srt&sort=edRating7+desc

Everything everywhere says the Gateway is an SFF. You continual denial of reality is ridiculous. You must be the type of Apple fan that earns them a bad rep.
 
Your statement was that "Apple seems to have no controls what-so-ever in iTunes to manage parental control over movies and music." That's a rather blanket assertion when they have an entire tab in the Preferences devoted to it. Here's the sum of Winamp's options for comparison:

Who cares if they devote a preference panel to it if it doesn't DO anything (neither for the computer that's running or any Apple TV devices connected to iTunes for streaming). Like I said, it might as well not exist. I forgot about the panel when I wrote my message because when I tried it, I found it didn't do anything. I tried it again with iTunes 9.2. It STILL doesn't do anything. This is sad since all my movies are rating encoded (although I don't believe there is any NC-17 rating to choose; I guess Apple never intends to sell any, but you can still add your own content to iTunes so the rating should still exist even if they don't currently use it). But I guess it doesn't matter since it doesn't actually block anything on itself or ATV regardless.


I looked all over and this is all that I could find. DVD playback restriction. Nothing about anything else in library or online streaming. No way to disable any features, either.

Looks to me like iTunes is ahead of the curve.

Ahead of the curve? Like I said, it doesn't do anything when it would proabably take Apple less than one day to get it working properly with both iTunes and Apple TV units connected to it. I guess it was too much bother. It's probably the same reason that YEARS later ATV doesn't even have a visualizer! V3.0 added what, a new ad-featuring front page menu and Internet radio controls? Wow. That deserves a whole number version increase.... :rolleyes:

You want to know what has parental controls? You didn't look too hard it seems:

Here's the Windows Media Center controls you claim don't exist:

http://maximumpcguides.com/windows-vista/windows-media-center-parental-controls/

Playstation 3 controls:

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/3_15/basicoperations/parentallock.html (it works for Netflix subscriptions too!)

Even XBox 360 has SOME controls in it: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/familysettings/xbox360/familysettings-intro.htm

Every DVR I've ever seen has parental/password lockouts on it. It's not hard to add. It would have been simplicity for Apple TV to include a rating limit with a password setting. I guess they're saving that for V4.0 or maybe 5.0?


If you had the parental controls turned on in iTunes, it would not be possible for a youngster to acquire the "explicit" content to begin with from the iTunes Store. If this person has a credit or debit card to open their own iTunes store account, they are going to be old enough to make these decisions on their own.

Um. The point here is that primary movie server (i.e. the one powering the entire household) has NO controls on it. I don't have people "sharing" my library in the house. The house already has apple TV units in different rooms to stream the content. That is/was the purpose of Apple TV (well that and rentals in V2.0) was it not?

Er. keep "explicit" content on Mom & Dad's own computers, don't share that portion of the library over the network?

I'm sorry, but it doesn't work that way. You must not own an Apple TV. They appear as "devices" the same way an iPhone, iPod or iPad appear in the panel. You can choose to sync various content (if it's not synced, it's still streamed). I cannot even tell it to block certain photo libraries from appearing in the primary list or screensaver mode. I have to disable them from the server and if I want them back in later, it has to COPY/SYNC them all over again (i.e. uncheck them and it DELETES them off the ATV hard drive).

I did find a way to keep restricted content away from the primary library lists and that was to hack the thing and add XBMC. Thus restricted content can only be accessed through XBMC and not Apple TV and XBMC can password protect certain sources from viewing (i.e. keep any adult content in their own folder and password protect that folder and you're golden). The only problem is that XBMC doesn't offer chapter search (or meta-tagging for that matter) for MP4 encoded files even after all these years despite the information being freely available from the Handbrake developers and Meta-tagging from several.

AppleTV interface != iTunes. If there is a lack of parental control on AppleTV, it's an AppleTV issue. Making AppleTV controllable by an application on another machine just sounds like a security risk.

Apple TV is a device in iTunes so of course it should be controllable from iTunes. That's the entire point of the device pane to control what goes to and from Apple TV. But yes, ATV itself should have controls on it. As for controlling Apple TV from another machine, that's what "Remote" does for the iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch. Otherwise, other machines can add their own content as "shared" content in additional to the primary computer's master library so it's more like Apple TV controls access to content from potentially many computers (if set up as such).

The basic idea here is Apple = Parental Friendly (according to the post I first replied to) and I'm simply providing evidence their house media player and iTunes combination has no such controls what-so-ever while even a freeware player like XBMC has at least some basic password controls and the PS3 and Windows Media Player have parental control menus that actually do something. Like I said, it's sad because everything else is already in place for it to work (ratings on content and your preference pane). What is lacking is an actual option to block content to specific devices or better yet, password protect them (latter is MUCH more preferable since you could then leave all content in place all the time and never have to mess with it; to watch a restricted movie, just enter the code like you would on a DVR).

Now if you wish to continue to pretend that iTunes has parental controls, be my guest. Like I said, they're 100% useless.
 
This is sad since all my movies are rating encoded (although I don't believe there is any NC-17 rating to choose; I guess Apple never intends to sell any, but you can still add your own content to iTunes so the rating should still exist even if they don't currently use it). But I guess it doesn't matter since it doesn't actually block anything on itself or ATV regardless.
Not sure what you mean by "ratings encoded" but as far as I know there is no way to embed a content rating directly into a video stream, and there are no open-standard container formats that include content rating as part of their metadata. If Apple-purchased video content includes such information, it's something they are adding to the video's container (maybe as metadata that makes up the container itself, maybe as a separate file muxed into the container that tells iTunes/AppleTV about the content). Apple not supporting blocking playback of content by rating probably has something to do with there being no industry standard way of marking content and consumers being able to add their own content as well witch would be missing these ratings anyway.

Like I said, it doesn't do anything when it would probably take Apple less than one day to get it working properly with both iTunes and Apple TV units connected to it. I guess it was too much bother.
Speaking of bother, have you sent Apple an email about this, rather than rant on a message board about it?

It's probably the same reason that YEARS later ATV doesn't even have a visualizer! V3.0 added what, a new ad-featuring front page menu and Internet radio controls? Wow. That deserves a whole number version increase.... :rolleyes:
It's the AOL-version-numbering disease. I expect it from lots of software projects now. Personally I'd rather not run a power-hungry big screen while I'm just listening to music.

You want to know what has parental controls? You didn't look too hard it seems:

Here's the Windows Media Center controls you claim don't exist:

http://maximumpcguides.com/windows-vista/windows-media-center-parental-controls/
Wow. You have a real hard time recognizing software don't you? First you confuse AppleTV's software with iTunes, now you're trying to show me screens from Windows Media Center when I was talking about Windows Media Player. In both these examples. the latter is a free media player for desktop computers, the former is a complete operating system meant for use in HTPC's and costing hundreds of dollars.

That is impressive. Thank you for posting those.

Ahead of the curve?
Compared to other applications of the same type, yes.

I'm sorry, but it doesn't work that way. You must not own an Apple TV.
No, I'm not stupid enough to lock myself into a single provider for ownable content on such an expensive piece of hardware.

They appear as "devices" the same way an iPhone, iPod or iPad appear in the panel. You can choose to sync various content (if it's not synced, it's still streamed). I cannot even tell it to block certain photo libraries from appearing in the primary list or screensaver mode. I have to disable them from the server and if I want them back in later, it has to COPY/SYNC them all over again (i.e. uncheck them and it DELETES them off the ATV hard drive).
It should work the same way iTunes sharing does: where you actually control what content is available to others. What if you made a sex video and added it to your video collection in one room. Are you saying there is no way to prevent the other devices in the house from having access to the content short of taking your entire collection offline? Why would someone buy a device with such a horrible control system?

I did find a way to keep restricted content away from the primary library lists and that was to hack the thing and add XBMC.
Adding software originally written for a Microsoft product to improve an Apple product. I hear the Bells of Irony.
 
Adding software originally written for a Microsoft product to improve an Apple product. I hear the Bells of Irony.

Ironic it is, but XBMC (and its spinoff, Plex) remains an excellent media center. Apart from Boxee, I haven't seen any product around that even looks like it could compete.
 
Not sure what you mean by "ratings encoded" but as far as I know there is no way to embed a content rating directly into a video stream, and there are no open-standard container formats that include content rating as part of their metadata.

I'll try to be as polite as I can seeing all the insults you flung my way yet again. Yes, it is meta data. If you had ever encoded a movie with Handbrake and then used Meta-X to add the movie information/pictures/ratings, etc. you'd know this. It's no different for movies I encode than ones they encode.

tells iTunes/AppleTV about the content). Apple not supporting blocking playback of content by rating probably has something to do with there being no industry standard way of marking content and consumers being able to add their own content as well witch would be missing these ratings anyway.

Apple assumes all rating content is in the form of meta-data whether it's "explicit" markers on songs or movie ratings. They assume you get their content from them and so they would assume iTunes settings would apply to their own data. Supposedly, iTunes "parental controls" would apply this to movie ratings (seeing as it has this option in the panel) on a "shared" iTunes library, but why in the world they would not have an option to apply this to Apple TV or even the iTunes that is running is beyond me. And that's the whole point. There is no system that works for my setup (which is using their gear).

Speaking of bother, have you sent Apple an email about this, rather than rant on a message board about it?

It seems to me you are the one that is "ranting" since I only made a comment about a non-functional aspect of iTunes and you jumped all over me and are still doing so with comments like "I"m not stupid enough..." below.

As for e-mailing Apple with suggestions, I've done so numerous times in regards to Apple TV and iTunes, but they not only don't reply (they pretty much tell you this from the start that they won't), but not one thing I've ever asked for in regards to that setup has been added in the past 3 years so I guess one might be able to see why I would WANT to "rant" instead of e-mailing since the latter obviously does no good with Apple. Rather I was simply countering your comments about how great parental controls are from Apple when in fact they have some rather large gaping holes in them.


Wow. You have a real hard time recognizing software don't you? First you confuse AppleTV's software with iTunes, now you're trying to show me screens from Windows Media Center when I was talking about Windows Media Player. In both these examples. the latter is a free media player for desktop computers, the former is a complete operating system meant for use in HTPC's and costing hundreds of dollars.

Windows Media Center is the correct comparison for my setup given I've said I'm using a whole house audio/video system run through AppleTV powered off iTunes. I'm sorry I didn't notice you were talking about a piece of software that I do not use and therefore has no real bearing on my original comments, which were about iTunes + Apple TV not WinAmp (WTF!?) or Windows Media Player. Besides, you said you searched all over the place for parental controls and then announced Apple was ahead of the curve. Clearly, they are not if there is zero functionality to their setup. Your entire post seems to want to jump on semantics (getting all excited about one product that has no bearing with another product that has no bearing and that you brought up; I was never talking about Microsoft or WinAmp to begin with. You brought them into the thread) and iTunes by itself versus using it to control a home theater setup in another room or a whole house audio/video system (how I use it). Fine. I didn't make my message clear enough for you. I'm sorry. I should have checked my every word and then ran a professional grammar checker on it just to be sure. :rolleyes:



Compared to other applications of the same type, yes.

What would you call Windows Media Center or the Playstation 3 if not of the same type when that's what they're designed to do, power a media center? In my case, Apple TV fed from the iTunes server on my PowerMac runs my $5000+ home theater room with a 93" projector and 6.1 sound. What use or function would WinAmp or Windows Media Player POSSIBLY have in my system??? None.

No, I'm not stupid enough to lock myself into a single provider for ownable content on such an expensive piece of hardware.

Not only does your comment imply insult (as in I must be stupid enough to do so), but it has zero bearing given I'm not "locked" into anything. 97% of my movies and 100% of my music is DRM free. How am I locked into anything? Apple TV plays back DRM-Free formats. I even run XBMC on it. Sorry if I offended you by purchasing a couple of HD movies from Apple that do have DRM instead of pirating them off the Internet like everyone else.

It should work the same way iTunes sharing does: where you actually control what content is available to others. What if you made a sex video and added it to your video collection in one room. Are you saying there is no way to prevent the other devices in the house from having access to the content short of taking your entire collection offline? Why would someone buy a device with such a horrible control system?

LOL. *THAT* is precisely my original point in regards to Apple hardware/software in regards to a total lack of "parental controls" in regards to their product AppleTV being fed from iTunes (or even in iTunes itself when not fed to a "shared" computer). It doesn't exist/work/whatever you want to call it.

As for "why" I would use such a "horrible" system I would say at the time (3+ years ago) there wasn't really any other choices out there for a whole house audio AND video system. Even "Remote" for the iPhone/iPod Touch didn't exist when I first got the system. I used "Remote Buddy" and "Signal" to control the music from the iPod Touch at the time and AppleTV's own remote for movies/music in that room. My ONLY other real (within a sane price range at least) choices for a whole house anything was either "Sonus" (music only and at nearly 1.5x the price for the same room setup overall) and the Logitech Squeezebox, which again was MUSIC ONLY. I don't think the Playstation 3 had a very good setup at the time and it certainly can't power a whole house system on its own. It would need a unit in every room and there is no way to synchronize them. I can in fact run a whole house 'party mode' from iTunes/Remote and have synchronized music across the entire house.

And to be honest, parental controls weren't at the top of my list considering I have no kids. I'm purely interested in blocking adult material for when relatives with kids come to visit. I'd rather power the whole system down than do without. But like I said, I found a solution in using XBMC for any adult material (whether it be photos or videos) as it can be locked out (either in part or whole) by password. It involved hacking Apple TV to add it, but that's not a big deal. My original point was simply the lack of such (working) controls in iTunes/Apple TV. But apparently I cannot make such a point without someone jumping down my throat on semantics instead of actual content. In other words, nothing you've pointed out (semantically correct or not) changes ANYTHING in my setup/system or how it functions. Pointing out the preference pane does not make it work in my home theater room or even my server room since it effectively does nothing.
 
Windows Media Center is the correct comparison for my setup given I've said I'm using a whole house audio/video system run through AppleTV powered off iTunes. I'm sorry I didn't notice you were talking about a piece of software that I do not use and therefore has no real bearing on my original comments, which were about iTunes + Apple TV not WinAmp (WTF!?) or Windows Media Player.
Your original comment was about iTunes. iTunes is a computer-based media player and always has been. So I compare it to other media player apps for desktop computers. When I pointed out the lesser controls on Winamp and WMP you said I "didn't look too hard it seems" and posted screenshots from Windows Media Center. That would be like me expressing an annoyance at a missing formatting option on OpenOffice and you saying "are you blind? It's right here!" and posting iWork screenshots. Actually, in your case you changed the topic to an entirely different class of application. It became apples and oranges at that point.

AppleTV and iTunes may interact with each other. But do not be confused, they are completely separate programs and can function independent of one another. AppleTV is not "powered" by a separate computer's iTunes application.

If there is a lack of parental controls on standard PC media player apps, I surmise it's goes back to these programs roots: Single user systems where the content wasn't shared to begin with. If you didn't want someone to see your stuff, you kept in in a section of your PC others couldn't access (your user account, external storage you removed when not in use, etc). When iTunes sharing came along, this had to change as now stuff on your Mac might be listenable on a Mac in another room. So Apple added the sharing controls so you could specify what did get shared.

But now you're talking about AppleTV, PS3, XBox out of the blue. These are all home entertainment devices. They're made to be functional to everyone at all times, no logging in or other "partitions" between everyone's usage abilities. The failure of AppleTV to have any ratings-based parental controls is entirely a flaw in the AppleTV's software. iTunes shouldn't have the responsibility to police this because it's not the operating system of the AppleTV. Plus, someone could introduce a new system into the network with explicit content and not have the protection enabled in iTunes very easily. The control should be based on the viewing device to start with to prevent this issue.

Besides, you said you searched all over the place for parental controls and then announced Apple was ahead of the curve. Clearly, they are not if there is zero functionality to their setup.
Compared to the two applications of the same type, it is. The PS3, XBox interface, and XBox Media Center project are an entirely different class of applications due to their intended usage and cannot be compared to iTunes. Again, you're creating an "apples and oranges" situation.

What would you call Windows Media Center or the Playstation 3 if not of the same type when that's what they're designed to do, power a media center? In my case, Apple TV fed from the iTunes server on my PowerMac runs my $5000+ home theater room with a 93" projector and 6.1 sound.
Those apps, yes. But that's not what we were talking about.
Oh, and *YAWN* for unneeded home-theater setup dick-waving.

What use or function would WinAmp or Windows Media Player POSSIBLY have in my system??? None.
Actually, a media player app can have a full screen mode that you use it in a similar way to an AppleTV (and I don't mean like the full screen display on iTunes). I do it with ZoomPlayer.

Sorry if I offended you by purchasing a couple of HD movies from Apple that do have DRM instead of pirating them off the Internet like everyone else.
If Apple truly supported you adding your own movies to your AppleTV library, why don't they build the ripping functionality into iTunes? Why must you use Handbrake and add the rating metadata yourself?
 
Your original comment was about iTunes.

OMG. He fired of ANOTHER monster message about NOTHING instead of actually just taking my comment for what's it's worth (to you, not much except an excuse to drone on and on about nothing). I'll do you a big favor now and exit the thread. You can then argue with yourself.
 
OMG. He fired of ANOTHER monster message about NOTHING instead of actually just taking my comment for what's it's worth (to you, not much except an excuse to drone on and on about nothing). I'll do you a big favor now and exit the thread. You can then argue with yourself.

Ladies and gentlemen, this man has finally figured out what is going on!

Let's all give him a big round of applause for playing our game.

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Most people take a couple days more to remember a discussion takes two people and the easiest way to get out is simply to stop replying.

I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that with HDMI on the new Mac Mini and a graphics system that's far superior to the AppleTV, you can now have hardware that can drive your big screen and run whatever operating system/media player on it you feel like. None of you are now hobbled by Apple's inability to produce an AppleTV model that can handle it's tasks smoothly (or provide proper parental controls). Like the AppleTV, you can't upgrade the graphics yourself like a normal desktop, but with the superior graphics and processing power of the Mini you wont need too until 4K resolution video becomes the norm. And it's even more slim to fit in better in your home theater setup than the last one. To bad for the price increase, but with the compact from factor always comes a premium.

Now if only we could get a single PCI slot in there for a dual-tuner TV card. ;)
 
To understand how far behind the PC competitors Apple is in the SFF domain, just take a look at AOpen MP57-D:

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This is what a mini PC should look like in 2010. It has tons of options including:
  • Intel Core i3/i5/i7
  • 80-640GB HDD (5400 or 7200RPM)
  • 32-512 SSD
  • TV tuner
  • eSATA port
  • BluRay drive (I am guessing here, it's not clear from the specs but its predecessor MP45-BDR did have a BR option)
This thing is almost identical to Mac Mini in size - 6.65(W) x 1.97(H) x 6.65 (D) inch. It has the ports

It's not cheap - about the price of Mac Mini but it offers infinitely better hardware.

well, go to buy one !
There are a lot of Windows based forums where you can go then ...

And, regarding the Gateway/Mini comparison, read carefully:

Looking at our actual benchmark scores, you can see that although the Gateway has an advantage over the new Mac Mini, the differences are for the most part minor.

Can Gateway runs Mac OSX ? No.
End of discussion.
 
To understand how far behind the PC competitors Apple is in the SFF domain, just take a look at AOpen MP57-D:

*MY EYES!*

It's not cheap - about the price of Mac Mini but it offers infinitely better hardware.

Seriously, that white powder you stick on your breakfast in the morning... its not sugar.

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I want a computer infinitely better than the Mac Mini, who needs a conventional computer or quantum computer when you have a computer that doesn't even obey the fundamental limit laws of mathematics. ;)
 
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