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I've been debating upgrading my mini when I get back into college, but now I'm thinking of just switching to the iMac. I currently use my HDTV as my monitor and that's just not practical for a family computer, which is what it's going to be whenever I do upgrade it. The new mini looks nice and all, but it's just not all that I want it to be for my purposes anymore. Sad, because I really do love that little tiny box.
 
I maintain that if Apple produced a consumer priced tower Mac (say a Mac Pro with a regular quad i7, normal memory and the rest of the standard specs and priced it around $1800, the thing would outsell ALL iMac models combined. The 27" monitor they have available would work well with it even despite them dropping the 24" and 30" models.

That is something I would buy. And it wouldn't cannibalize any iMac or Mac Pro sale because I'm not buying either of them. I might go mini but frankly I'm concerned about heat in that thinner case with the power supply inside of it.
 
That is something I would buy. And it wouldn't cannibalize any iMac or Mac Pro sale because I'm not buying either of them. I might go mini but frankly I'm concerned about heat in that thinner case with the power supply inside of it.

+2. Give us the expandability of a Mac Pro but at a starting price and specs of an iMac or Macbook Pro.
 
apple isn't going to make a tower since there is no way to be different

the iMac concept is easy on the geniuses since a person can take the entire computer to the apple store for troubleshooting. otherwise people will whine about taking in a monitor.

as an IT person i wish i had a dollar for every person that thought the monitor was their computer. With the LED IPS panels people feel good about all the money they spent. most people have no idea what the specs mean but looking at that nice monitor is something they can tell easily compared to HP/Dell. it's psychological

the parts apple uses are designed to be fairly quiet and energy efficient. if apple built a tower with a huge graphics card that sounds like a jet engine the same people would complain about the noise expecting apple would do something magical to make it cool and quiet. there already complaints in the iMac forum from idiots who think the screen is too warm
 
apple isn't going to make a tower since there is no way to be different

Sure there is. If they actually made one, THAT would be different. Listening to their customers, THAT would be different. Trying to get back people who used to buy Mac by building what they want, THAT would be different.

If Apple is only going to make things that are different I guess it should stop making the iMac since PC makers have copied the all in one design.

the parts apple uses are designed to be fairly quiet and energy efficient.

And Apple puts those parts all inside of one case so when the monitor dies you either clutter up your desk with a second monitor with the dead one taking up space or throw the whole computer away. That sure sounds efficient. If Apple made cars you would have to throw the whole vehicle away when the tires wore out.
 
In the past Apple has made towers that were more like what some people now want. My father-in-law has a PowerMac G4 Quicksilver. I believe it's the 733 MHz model which was the low end at the time and I think in 2002 he paid $1699. Why did they stop, I don't know, it's probably a combination of research, sales numbers, and the iMac being able to become more powerful and at least partially fill the need. In recent years Apple has made very few blunders, the Cube being one of the few that comes to mind. They must have some idea what they're doing.
 
apple isn't going to make a tower since there is no way to be different

the iMac concept is easy on the geniuses since a person can take the entire computer to the apple store for troubleshooting. otherwise people will whine about taking in a monitor.

WTF!?!? Do they not have monitors at Apple stores!??? I KNOW them do. WTF would someone have to bring in their monitor? Hook them up to one at the Apple store. This isn't rocket science for goodness' sake! :rolleyes:

the parts apple uses are designed to be fairly quiet and energy efficient. if apple built a tower with a huge graphics card that sounds like a jet engine the same people would complain about the noise expecting apple would do something magical to make it cool and quiet. there already complaints in the iMac forum from idiots who think the screen is too warm

You just keep assuming that everyone who buys a computer is a flipping MORON and so Apple needs to make computers for morons (that must be the iMac?). Fine. Keep the moron computer around for those people, but when REAL computer users and younger adults (almost all of them grew up with computers so they know WTF they are unlike some of their parents) let them have something that can actually do something useful (like run games; those are kind of popular with younger folk). It's not that hard for a sale person to tell which person is suited to which computer. Know zip about them? Steer them to an iMac. They know something? Steer them to a real computer. It's just that simple. And if Apple wants to innovate something, why don't they design case with a noise cancellation system in it so that that a top-end graphics card and whatever fans in it doesn't make any noise. I would love to see a whisper quiet high-end machine.

In any case, ALL of these issues exist in the PC world as well and they don't just make moron computers. If they did, no one would be able to run any games or any decent software at all since it would all be running on Fisher Price hardware (i.e. iMac). As for people who think the monitor IS the PC, I wonder where they got that idea from? (hint: iMac)

iMacs are not innovative. They would make great office PCs (where a lack of clutter makes sense) except that Apple doesn't cater to the business market. They're too expensive to be a kid's computer (there goes the Fisher Price market) and yet too underpowered graphically and have too few expansion options to be a power user computer. If the monitor happens to break, you are out of a computer. If my monitor breaks on my Power Mac or PC, I can go pick up another 22" one for $149. Besides, picking what you want in a computer and what you want in a monitor are two different things and SHOULD be two different things. With an iMac, too bad. If you want the larger monitor, you get the bigger computer. If you want the smaller monitor, you cannot get the faster GPU, CPU, etc. It's a stupid system, but most Apple fanatics can't see past their rose tinted tunnel vision to see it. At least the gumdrop generation iMacs were cute. The current generation just looks like any other flat screen monitor. There's nothing special about it.
 
iMacs are not innovative. They would make great office PCs (where a lack of clutter makes sense) except that Apple doesn't cater to the business market. They're too expensive to be a kid's computer (there goes the Fisher Price market) and yet too underpowered graphically and have too few expansion options to be a power user computer. If the monitor happens to break, you are out of a computer.

They must be doing something right with a market capitalisation of $300 billion :)

I have a 27" iMac which is a gorgeous machine to work on. I use a MacBook Air for when I'm travelling.
 
They must be doing something right with a market capitalisation of $300 billion :)

That something doesn't mean the iMac nor does it account for all the people that would purchase something else if something else were available in that price range. As it is, I'll be making a Hackintosh the next time around for a desktop. I want Mac Pro-like features (don't need the overpriced memory, though), but I'm not going to pay 2-3x as much just to have an Apple logo on the case. I can easily build something that will run circles around the default Mac Pro for most consumer applications for 1/2 the price. Get up into the 8-core area and it'd easily be 1/3 the price and I could even have a real gaming card setup that would at least work fast under Windows. I guess Apple thinks their customers only play games on their iPhone or iPad. :rolleyes:
 
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