That's like the old days of desktops for 4-5 years everybody was going with bare dies directly to heat sinks. Eventually they went back to heat spreaders soldered on the chip cause amateurs break the dies.
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That's like the old days of desktops for 4-5 years everybody was going with bare dies directly to heat sinks. Eventually they went back to heat spreaders soldered on the chip cause amateurs break the dies.
I'll true that!
Pro workstations are bought to work, to do a specific job(s), when the job needs more iterations, more megapixels, more chanels, more... they get substituted.
Also, it's not a very good deal to upgrade a computer. I'll spend money to get just one part of the system slightly faster, which won't make your system faster. For true performance gains, you have to make the whole system faster in every way.
I was trying to think of something to say that wasn't insanely wordy to counter that...
but you know what they say, a picture says a thousand words
Pretty sure they are referring to the masses immediately after the first Mac Pro announcement. Everyone assumed nothing would be user replaceable. After all, it's Apple. Not too dissimilar to the overreaction to FCPX. Everyone swore they would leave final cut and Apple pro but I still haven't met anyone who followed through with their threats.
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The CPU is on a standard socket. The fact that the CPU can be replaced in a Mac Pro is not news.
that's never going to happen
they'll just act like they never said such&such and move on to the next thing to complain about..
I was wrong, and I appleologizethat's never going to happen
they'll just act like they never said such&such and move on to the next thing to complain about..
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I was wrong, and I appleologize
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oh.. i was speaking of the mac pro forum 'battles' over the past few months on this topic.. i don't recall you being part of those but could be- i know there were at least 25 people calling me some version of idiot because i said they're swappable..
but if you're one of them then.. apology accepted
oh.. i was speaking of the mac pro forum 'battles' over the past few months on this topic.. i don't recall you being part of those but could be- i know there were at least 25 people calling me some version of idiot because i said they're swappable..
but if you're one of them then.. apology accepted
i dont think i said it out loud
In honesty, with Apples trend towards removing user accessibility to upgrade options. more all in one parts, with more soldered in parts in the majority of their consumer line, i fully believed the move to the new mac pro design would carry over many of those traits, Including soldered in CPU's and GPU's
I might not have outright said it cause i wasn't 100% sure and i try not to speak if i'm unsure, though i am as guilty as everyone at making mysef look like an fool now and then
But i was still wrong.
the more and more I'm wrong about this little machine, the more and more I really want one.
still have some issues with it though which makes it JUST outside my needs. But i'm hoping that maybe V2 will be a bit more configurable towards them.
and a few of my other cons / concerns I think i can come up with suitable work arounds towards.
I just still cant get past the mandatory 2 workstation class GPU's. there's nothing WRONG with that. they're just completely and utterly useless for me. Even though the Xeon's and ECC ram and super duper fast scratch drive would make me so ****ing happy.
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Great post, top to bottom, but this is the key takeaway. Standards are useful for attaching peripherals, but not for the core compute engine.
Exactly. I think most of the people complaining about expandability are coming from the "hot rod" tradition, not professional users. You don't "mod" a pro appliance, you buy what you need and drive it hard until it depreciates, then replace it. You're not getting paid for your ability to swap PCI cards.
If Adobe insists on tying themselves to Nvidia, there may be a reason to be unhappy about GPUs, but that's a beef with Adobe, frankly, not Apple. The problem isn't that your computer forces you to use a certain graphics vendor, the problem is that your software does.
Would bet dollars to doughnuts that the proprietary connector was part of Apples deal with AMD RE offering the cards at such a discount.
Wouldn't want to devaluate AMDs pro market on the PC side.
But unfortunately you can't build it WITHOUT the "dope" GPUs making the price much cheaper for people who don't need GPU. Who needs OpenCL if you don't use FCPX? Audio users are just as "pro" as video users. Logic X doesn't even care about OpenCL.
I'd only buy this machine for the max RAM (what is it? 64GB? 128GB?). If there was a new Mac Mini that could take 32GB I'd much rather have that than a MP @ $$$.
I don't even think BitCoin miners would care for this machine
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Nope. If you could people would be going bonkers happy and MOST people except video guys probably wouldn't care that much for the MP. I say most.
I started another thread asking about 32GB Minis the other day because I wanted to know if Haswell Minis might be capable of 32GB. It doesn't look like it.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1689079/
I don't think Apple prefers to keep upgradability to a minimum. That happens to be a natural outgrowth of the design goals for their consumer product lines. The vast majority of consumers do not need to pay for card slots and easy access to drive bays. They do want reliability and affordability, and nearly anything you do to enhance upgradability reduces reliability and increases cost.
The goals for the Mac Pro are somewhat different - different end users with different needs, different manufacturing quantities, different budgets. Hence, a different solution.
Why wouldn't Apple use "proprietary everything?" You only reinvent the wheel when you need to. Custom circuit boards to fit a particular enclosure, standard components on those circuit boards.
The design goals for the Mac Pro precluded the use of off-the-shelf graphics cards - they wanted high-efficiency cooling, they wanted compactness, they wanted to integrate two GPUs into the fundamental design. Effectively, these are not graphics cards at all. If this thing had a motherboard/daughterboard configuration, you could think of them as two out of three motherboards, one big chip per board. There's nothing at all weird about taking a component that's integral to a design and moving it from an after-market card to the/a main circuit board. I remember when you needed an after-market audio card, an after-market i/o port card, a VGA graphics card... those functions moved to after-market multi-purpose cards, then to the motherboard, and after that, right onto the CPU die. And so it goes.
The next Intel socket will, by definition, be incompatible. It's been that way since the beginning. If you add more functions and capabilities, you just may need more pins. Down the road, it's likely you'll see the entire Mac Pro configuration on a single chip - multiple GPGPUs plus multi-core CPUs. That will almost definitely require a different connector.
It's not a conspiracy on Apple's part. It's rational engineering analysis and design. Look at their products, look at who buys them, how they use them, the cost of manufacture, the built-in cost of warranty repair, the competitive landscape, consumer appeal (sexiness)... it's easy to find quite rational, unemotional reasons for everything they do. No malevolent intent is necessary. But of course, if we all thought like Vulcans, these forums would be really boring.
This is what I would get...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116937
Then you can hop on eBay and sell the chip the Mac Pro came with.
Excellent post.
There is always going to be the need for end users to upgrade old components into new systems, or slot in new hardware into old ways of doing things but in the end they'll be the ones making the choice to either move forward or not.
Although, there are times companies give users the best of both worlds.''
I am a fan of the new Mac Pro, and will eventually have to decide whether my needs dictate it, or a "comparable" PC which does offer much if not exactly the same as the new Mac Pro, with a lot of what we loved about the legacy tech. A real best of both worlds.
The only times I've been on the market for parts is for repairs. Other than that I totally agree. Upgrading piecemeal is nice for enthusiasts and gamers but in the high end workstation world we get two years max out of the box then we push them down the line.
We had 10 year old dual core, dual GPU, 16GBs RAM HP Xeon systems running Windows 7 doing office work after they got pushed down over the years.
Same thing with an old Power Mac G5 circa 2005.