I feel like that's Apple's goal, to make PCIe look outdated compared to Thunderbolt. But if I was in the market, this move doesn't convince me that a Studio is fine, all it did is convince me that I should skip on both the Pro and the Studio.
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New Mac Pro Has Hard Drive Issue, Apple Planning Fix in macOS Update
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This Mac Pro feels like a downgrade so far! No upgradable RAM? No external GPU? It's basically just a Mac Studio.
Just the picking of a nit, but the term spinning rust is literally correct. Mechanical hard drives use metal oxides to store data on a spinning disk. It's the term that the companies that make the drives use. It is not derogatory in any way. They are spinning disks covered with a very thin layer of rust.
Even if it affects every mac pro, the number of users can’t be that high 😂😂😂
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As some one else pointed out... if you're still using a traditional HDD in 2023... you may doing it wrong.
There is a similar issue with 3.5” hard drives connected to any Apple Silicon Mac via Thunderbolt 4. The drives constantly stop then immediately spin up, over and over again. So annoying. 🤦🏻♂️
The issue is definitely a bug in Apple Silicon Macs because this has been reported from a wide variety of connected hardware.
The issue is definitely a bug in Apple Silicon Macs because this has been reported from a wide variety of connected hardware.
It certainly has more than hard drive issues. It has 'why does it exist' issues.
Apple has been so die hard on iPad like computers that they killed their own ability to make a modular tower.
Their dream has come true. Pay them for any updates pay them up front no changes or edits allowed just go buy a new one.
Cell phones masquerading as desktops
Apple has been so die hard on iPad like computers that they killed their own ability to make a modular tower.
Their dream has come true. Pay them for any updates pay them up front no changes or edits allowed just go buy a new one.
Cell phones masquerading as desktops
My first guess is that would be even more difficult than making SATA drives actually work correctly.
But seriously, they probably could have spent time and made something like that work, but I would expect that the thunking to translate between the processor architectures would have restricted the speed and also made it an expensive upgrade. It doesn’t sound like that many Mac Pro users swapped the processors even when it was the same Intel socket, and I expect a Frankenstein add-in would be even less appealing.
Proof the Mac Pro is selling in enough numbers for Apple to verify a bug! 😉
Also I don't think I could fix a mechanical issue with a modern HDD. I vaguely recall they're filled with some gas... and if it is tampered with, the heads will impact the platters, and it's all over, or something like that.10+ year old drives were simpler . The push to make HDDs go deeper and deeper into hyper density storage is likely to bring complexity that high performance SSDs have had to juggle all along. ( muliptle bits stored in single 'cell' , logical mapping of data, etc. )
' ... utilizing their unique OptiNAND technology. This technique marries mechanical and flash storage technologies to achieve higher capacity with a form of conventional magnetic recording (CMR) that's much faster than competing Shingled Magnetic Recording (SMR) drives. ..."
Western Digital Red Pro 20TB HDD Review: OptiNAND on a Platter
WD’s own approach to high-capacity NAS HDDswww.tomshardware.com
CMR is basically capping out at capacity. Once HDDs don't have a capacity ($/TB) advantage ... bad news coming in terms of units sold.
Peeking and poking on drive platters is less and less an excuse to skipping doing backups.
P.S. same with data privacy standards increasing. Peeking and poking at an encrypted drive isn't going to recover much if have lost the key.
If your Mac Pro is still under warranty or covered by AppleCare, it's best to reach out to Apple Support directly. They can provide assistance and guide you through the troubleshooting process or advise on the best course of action.
In a support document published today, Apple said certain SATA hard drives might unexpectedly disconnect from the 2023 Mac Pro after the computer wakes from sleep. Apple said it is "aware of this issue" and will fix it in a "future macOS update."
While the Mac Pro is configured with SSD storage, it has SATA ports for connecting internal hard drives, and some can disconnect due to a bug.
"Certain models of internal SATA drives might unexpectedly disconnect from your computer after your Mac wakes from sleep," said Apple. "This can occur if your Mac automatically goes to sleep or if you manually put your Mac to sleep. If you see a message that your disk was not ejected properly, you can restart your Mac to reconnect to the drive."
As a temporary workaround, users can prevent their Mac Pro from automatically going to sleep by opening the System Settings app, clicking on Displays → Advanced…, and turning on "Prevent automatic sleeping when the display is off."
Released on Tuesday, the new Mac Pro features Apple's M2 Ultra chip. The desktop tower has the same design as the Intel-based model from 2019, but lacks graphics card support and user-upgradeable RAM due to Apple silicon's unified architecture. Customers who do not need PCIe expansion should consider the Mac Studio instead.
Article Link: New Mac Pro Has Hard Drive Issue, Apple Planning Fix in macOS Update
You get my point, but even that Scalar SSD uses SATA and would presumably be affected by this issue anyway...
The concept that someone would spend that much for a computer and stick 20+ year old hard drive tech in it instead of now much more reliable now far more inexpensive than when introduced SSD's was overlooked.
Understandably.
They'll fix it. They need dinosaur users too, ya know.
I would not be at all surprised if the architecture of the ASi Mac Pro uses a Thunderbolt bus for the internal SATA drives, as it does for the external ports on other ASi machines, and this turns out to be another symptom of the same problem. I'd be happy if it was, actually, cause then whatever fix they push for the Mac Pro might also solve it everywhere else.
but why do that when the cpu has pci-e lanes? to put an in TB to pci-e and then pci-e to sata chips.
When you just need an pci-e to sata chip
I have yet to see 18-20tb ssd available where as 18-20tb HDD via satas are plentiful. Can't move to new technology when there is none. Just like the courage apple had to remove every freaking port on the pro. Way to go Joonny.
Well since they seem to be selling so many Mac Pro's that they are already slipping with ship times compared to the Studios, you are very correct. I think the Mac Pro is selling more right now than we all thought it would.
The A2088 Bridgeboard was actually from Commodore and I seem to recall it came out before that, and the A1060 Sidecar predated both! And I also remember Commodore having a software emulator for the original A1000 Amiga. It was all pretty cool stuff in it’s day, but the PC guys would disparage it as “a game machine”. Funny that the PC guy insult now is that it is NOT a game machine.
They didn't need to, as only a small number of users were willing to pay the extra $3k over the same performance Mac Studio to buy these things in the first place. It is basically a $3k Pre-Apple-Tax for avoiding the 400% Apple Tax applied on SSDs for all other Macs.
Nor work out how to add plug-in RAM. Plus, the wheels lacking brakes, but priced as if they are nuclear powered. Sheesh, what an embarrassment this machine is.
Oh yeah, I am sooooo sick of Apple REMOVING functionality from Preferences. FFS, give us more functionality with each iteration, not less. Thank the *nix gods for the terminal. The problem with terminal commands though, is knowing that they even exist. Anyone got any good comprehensive lists of such macOS terminal commands, ideally with good explanations of what they do, which someone other than a full blown systems admin, or linux nerd, can comprehend?
Yeah, I remember running my A2000 with 3 MB RAM, but only 880 KB storage. Weird times. I believe the Mac Pro SSD would be multiple times faster that that old RAM disk, though.
OWC has a PCI card that holds 8 NVME SSDs, and that card actually makes me want a Mac Pro.
The Mac Pro only exists to teach legacy Mac workstation users that they really would be better off using Linux on commodity PC hardware.