New Mac Pro Lineup Now Available on Apple Store, But 8-Core Model Currently Unavailable Online

[MH01]

I don't get it... In 2013 mac pro's price was somewhat justified because of its fast SSD. PCIe drives used to cost an arm and a leg back then. Nowadays you get an equally fast 500 GB SSD for $330, so it's possible to build a significantly better specced PC for $1.5k. How is Apple planning to stay competitive with the new pricing? Mac OS is definitely no longer an advantage it used to be for 'pro' users. Whatever you get for Mac, you also get for Windows, so what's the point? I'm the last person to preach Microsoft, but I just don't understand why Apple doesn't recognize they are rapidly losing the computer market. Sure, increased prices help in the short term, but they do a lot of damage long term.

What do you think?

Apple is not interested in the top end pro market , talking Mac Pro here. They pulled out a long time ago, it's only the diehard fans that still hold onto hope and carry on the fight. As a 2013 Mac Pro owner , you would have to be crazy to buy one these days for actual productivity . On the windows side the value and performance destroys the Mac Pro. Apples strength is idevices , to be frank, iPhone , the rest of the products are second fiddle and getting neglected . It's all about $$$ and that is iPhone, apple has become a mobile phone company , the other devices are support devices or accessories.

The Mac Pro , single digit sales....forget it. If apple were to bring a new model out, you would be crazy to buy into it, the next model will get neglected for 4-5 years, get a PC and get significant upgrades every 2 years or annually .

 

[DblHelix]

What I want is simply Nvidia drivers that support 10 series GPUs in OSX. I love the new MacBook pro, but want more GPU horsepower when I am at home or in my office. Windows supports the GTX1080 as an external GPU and it works quite well. I want drivers so I can use it in OSX

 

[Small White Car]

I don't understand why the MacPro is now "buy now" on buyer's guide. There is absolutely nothing new on it and it is just as obsolete as it was yesterday. It is just few $$$ cheaper.

I am happy with Apple's actions today.

And yet Macrumors should still be ashamed of themselves for that.

The buyer's guide is a great tool if it's accurate. But I have a harder time recommending it to friends if it's not going to be accurate.

So I imagine what you meant is the changes were relatively small and unexciting to you.

The price changes were good. There are no hardware changes.

In the past the buyer's guide tracked hardware changes. Not price changes.

If that's what it is now then it's significantly less useful.

 

[Shoestring1981]

They don't need to reinvent the box every time. Would be nice if they just updated the specs. How hard can that be?

 

[ekwipt]

Folks have been demanding Apple cut their prices on the current Mac Pro and the moment Apple does that, and by a fair bit (for Apple), they still complain about the price.

Same with the new form factor. Bitch about wanting one, then bitch about having to wait for Apple to engineer it. And once it arrives, they'll surely bitch it isn't enough.

Doug Stanhope had it dead-on when he said some people find complaining their form of entertainment.

It's three year old technology from the richest and technological company in the world... people are right to be annoyed. I wonder what the MacPro engineers have been doing for three years!

 

[macbeta]

More apple innovation...

 

[brentsg]

The more that I think about it, I believe I'll likely (try to) remain full steam ahead with my switch to Windows for work. In the end I'll probably wind up with a Mac Mini or something barebones for compatibility with my legacy OSX apps, but I need to get moved over. If the new Pro was coming sooner rather than later I'd try to accommodate it.

I really don't want to switch, but there's not a chance in hell I'll own an iMac. And waiting a year or more sounds pretty not feasible. Honestly I'd consider a super discounted 2013 base model if they were available, but I don't see them hitting my price point.

 

[ekwipt]

i think that's the way forward for a lot of people, anything that's cross compatible can move to windows and build or buy a processing beast and if you want to use LogicX or FCPX then buy an iMac until the MacPro eventually gets redesigned. It seems consumers called Apples bluff and moved over to windows and home built systems.

I'm personally in the hackintosh camp, it must be really embarrassing for Apple to have beautifully built watercooled, multicore/CPU and GPU beasts running Sierra and running circles around their own offerings

 

[Kabeyun]

If apple were to bring a new model out, you would be crazy to buy into it, the next model will get neglected for 4-5 years

That's the opposite of what Schiller said. Just because they erred with a constraining design doesn't mean they didn't learn their lesson.

 

[BeatCrazy]

Are these new configs still referred to as Late 2013?

 

[Tech198]

Is it just me, or is Apple finally making head way to upgrade the Mac Pro and others..

 

[freiheit]

Folks have been demanding Apple cut their prices on the current Mac Pro and the moment Apple does that, and by a fair bit (for Apple), they still complain about the price.

Same with the new form factor. Bitch about wanting one, then bitch about having to wait for Apple to engineer it. And once it arrives, they'll surely bitch it isn't enough.

Doug Stanhope had it dead-on when he said some people find complaining their form of entertainment.

Apple have had 3 years to design a new one. At least 2 years since it became obvious that the "trash can" Mac Pro was not a huge success. Waiting until mid-2017 to START designing a new one is pretty pathetic.

There is absolutely nothing "new" about today's Mac Pros, they are merely price drops of the existing 3+ year old model. While that is a good thing for people interested in 4 year old tech, this thing is way behind the times compared to truly modern systems.

 

[briloronmacrumo]

In the past the buyer's guide tracked hardware changes. Not price changes.

Agreed. I'd like to hear MR's justification for making these a "Buy" based on price changes.

 

[dantroline]

I don't understand why the MacPro is now "buy now" on buyer's guide. There is absolutely nothing new on it and it is just as obsolete as it was yesterday. It is just few $$$ cheaper.

There must have been some very nice food (or something else) on offer at that round table meeting.

 

[CWallace]

Apple have had 3 years to design a new one. At least 2 years since it became obvious that the "trash can" Mac Pro was not a huge success. Waiting until mid-2017 to START designing a new one is pretty pathetic.

I doubt very much they decided today (the day after the meeting) to start re-designing the Mac Pro. It sounds like they've been working in it since last year when it likely became clear to then that neither Intel nor AMD (nor nVidia) were going to be able to offer new CPUs and GPUs that were significantly better than what they had now while fitting into the thermal profiles the Mac Pro can handle.

 

[MH01]

That's the opposite of what Schiller said. Just because they erred with a constraining design doesn't mean they didn't learn their lesson.

You trust a few words from Schiller?

I'm not talking about the 2013 model just here . The previous generation cheesegrater was also neglected. 4-5 years between updates is about right. And given apple is pushing contained systems with no upgrade paths, the Mac Pro is not going back to something with useful PCI slots, when he says they learned thier lessons , does not mean going back to what the customers want. In all thier recent Mac updates or lack of updates, what leason have they learned? Only lesson I see is maximum profits.

My assumption the next Mac Pro will be more of an iMac pro, with options for powerful peripherals such as Apple made razer core equivalents and their own proprietary connectors. Apple is not going to let people just purpose GPUs in the future and slot they in. The days if the 2012 Mac Pro are dead under the lot running Apple at the moment
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I am happy with Apple's actions today.

And yet Macrumors should still be ashamed of themselves for that.

The buyer's guide is a great tool if it's accurate. But I have a harder time recommending it to friends if it's not going to be accurate.



The price changes were good. There are no hardware changes.

In the past the buyer's guide tracked hardware changes. Not price changes.

If that's what it is now then it's significantly less useful.

Excellent point.

A price change does not make it a Buy Now. It's a 2013 hardware, nothing was updated, just markerting spin and new tiers using same hardware.

 

[macs4nw]

I'm just curious - are people generally excited about apple announcing a macbook pro in the next year or so ? or are you just burned out on disappointment from this company that had once had you excited with their new and innovative products?

In the case of the MacPro, I think after a seemingly endless 1202 days since the "trashcan's" release, the pro users amongst us are just happy to finally see some light at the end of the tunnel, after many were starting to wonder if Apple was actually going to abandon the pro segment altogether.

 

[Tech198]

Apple have had 3 years to design a new one. At least 2 years since it became obvious that the "trash can" Mac Pro was not a huge success. Waiting until mid-2017 to START designing a new one is pretty pathetic.

There is absolutely nothing "new" about today's Mac Pros, they are merely price drops of the existing 3+ year old model. While that is a good thing for people interested in 4 year old tech, this thing is way behind the times compared to truly modern systems.

modem system as in 1 year behind ? When you look at it like that, its probably a bit better

 

[cracksoup]

Because the price point is still atrocious.

Then it's probably not made for you. The awesome thing in life is that you get to have the choice to buy or not to buy. Apple have learned this as well and when people stop talking with their wallet, Apple have to lower prices and perform at a more competitive level.

 

[Melodist]

Folks have been demanding Apple cut their prices on the current Mac Pro and the moment Apple does that, and by a fair bit (for Apple), they still complain about the price.

Same with the new form factor. Bitch about wanting one, then bitch about having to wait for Apple to engineer it. And once it arrives, they'll surely bitch it isn't enough.

Doug Stanhope had it dead-on when he said some people find complaining their form of entertainment.

Their new model was a total failure, omitting that "Pros" actually need modularity, which they've officially admitted (which is why it didn't see an update because it sold so bad). Second of all, this price update is not nearly near where it has to be, still too expensive and third of all way too late. They've already lost the majority of Pros to Windows and superior systems except those who didn't care about updating.

There are always people who are able to justify ANYTHING for their brand.

"Apple also announced that it is working on a "completely rethought" version of the Mac Pro, as well as a pro display that works with the system, but Apple marketing chief Phil Schiller admitted that"

Well **** look at that, many people and I brought that up logically over the years on this board but were surely always dismissed by, I really have to put it that way, **** who didn't know anything better other than to defend their brand, no matter what.

 

[shadowmatt]

In the time the Mac Pro has been out I have been through 2 x 980Ti and now a 1080Ti on the PC I built. Because I didn't like the AMD cards, the price and how nothing uses the dual cards.

My PC is still in the top 98% of PC's benchmarked by the testing software. The high end Mac Pro doesn't even come close.

 

[Melodist]

In the time the Mac Pro has been out I have been through 2 x 980Ti and now a 1080Ti on the PC I built. Because I didn't like the AMD cards, the price and how nothing uses the dual cards.

My PC is still in the top 98% of PC's benchmarked by the testing software. The high end Mac Pro doesn't even come close.

Yup, for 2000 you can get a PC that outperforms the fastest Trashcan with at least 64 GB of ram.

 

[shadowmatt]

Their new model was a total failure, omitting that "Pros" actually need modularity, which they've officially admitted (which is why it didn't see an update because it sold so bad). Second of all, this price update is not nearly near where it has to be, still too expensive and third of all way too late. They've already lost the majority of Pros to Windows and superior systems except those who didn't care about updating.

There are always people who are able to justify ANYTHING for their brand.

"Apple also announced that it is working on a "completely rethought" version of the Mac Pro, as well as a pro display that works with the system, but Apple marketing chief Phil Schiller admitted that"

Well **** look at that, many people and I brought that up logically over the years on this board but were surely always dismissed by, I really have to put it that way,*** who didn't know anything better other than to defend their brand, no matter what.

Yeah if it wasn't for all the annoying 'messages' in Windows 10, popping up all the time telling you to try office, cortana, IE, Sykpe etc... Win 10 is actually a decent operating system.

Its fast, clean and MS are now at a point where hardware support feels the same as OSX. The OS just finds the drivers it need and installs everything for you.

For some reason Apple seem to think that a nice looking PC trumps a PC you can get work done on. Same goes for their laptops.

From the company trying to convince everyone an iPad Pro is all the computer you need. How exactly do they think people are going to write apps for those **** shows.

 

[Melodist]

Yeah if it wasn't for all the annoying 'messages' in Windows 10, popping up all the time telling you to try office, cortana, IE, Sykpe etc... Win 10 is actually a decent operating system.

Its fast, clean and MS are now at a point where hardware support feels the same as OSX. The OS just finds the drivers it need and installs everything for you.

For some reason Apple seem to think that a nice looking PC trumps a PC you can get work done on. Same goes for their laptops.

From the company trying to convince everyone an iPad Pro is all the computer you need. How exactly do they think people are going to write apps for those **** shows.

Perfect example is Pro Tools 12, used to be THE software for Mac, running far superior on Mac than Windows up until 7 years ago. From then on, it's been a steady downslope and now on Windows, Pro Tools 12 runs up to 40% faster and more efficient.

 

[kaneda]

They don't need to reinvent the box every time. Would be nice if they just updated the specs. How hard can that be?

Every hard for them, because they are busy counting money they made from the iphone. Their computers are not the core business anymore.