New Mac Pro Receives FCC Approval Ahead of Launch

[realtuner]

And it costs thousands less then this overpriced garbage and it is out performing it

Where’s your benchmark results to back this ridiculous claim?

 

[ct2k7]

I was thinking the same thing!! Cheesy.

This IS Apple

 

[citysnaps]

Yes I understand your point but Apple is ripping people off. Charging people thousands of dollars more then anyone, i could see if it was award winning service, we both know thats bot true at all. Samsung doesnt charge people that much! You know why? Their products ate by far way better then apple. When the iPhone finally got wireless charging, samsung had been using it for years.

We both??? Do you have a small mouse in your pocket or something?

I've had outstanding service over the years when needed. Consistently.


"Samsung doesnt charge people that much! You know why? Their products ate by far way better then apple."

Hmmm... I guess there's some logic in there somewhere.

 

[Stephen.R]

Mac Pro level single-socket Xeon W

That “$1200” Dell has worse specs than my Mac mini. 4 cores, 8Gb memory and a spinning rust drive is “Mac Pro level” to you? I got to 3x that price trying to use their ridiculous “customiser” (apparently a wireless keyboard is incompatible with a wifi+Bluetooth module ) to match the base Mac Pro but I honestly have no clue what else is missing and gave up because their site is about as user friendly as a dead pig.

I couldn’t work out how to customise the HPs, because they too mostly start with quite low specs - 8GB/4cores, mechanical drives or maybe sata SSDs.

Yet again “x is cheaper” turns out to be “well yes because x is nothing like y”.
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Do you have a small mouse in your pocket or something?

I had a good giggle at this, thank you.

 

[H. Flower]

Would it kill them to at least release the specs/pricing?

 

[Horselover Fat]

Would it kill them to at least release the specs/pricing?

No, it would kill us.😬

 

[davidec]

My only disappointment would be to release specs / pricing and by the time we research and order our custom build delivery times will be Q2 2020!

 

[mannyvel]

It's always strange that people come to this forum, which is specific to Mac Pros, to talk about how much cheaper it is to build your own.

I suppose MR needs moderation now. Nobody cares that you can get a PC for 10% of the cost of a MP. Nobody here cares if Windows can do it all. That's why it's called MacRumors, not ICanBuildAPCForLessRumors.

I guess it's just fun for people to troll. I suppose that's what happens when you have too much free time and not enough budget to afford an MP.

 

[airdrop]

Finally, we need this ASAP!
(End of financial year coming )

 

[konqerror]

That “$1200” Dell has worse specs than my Mac mini. 4 cores, 8Gb memory and a spinning rust drive is “Mac Pro level” to you?

Because you jumped into the middle of the conversation. Nobody is saying the $1200 is the same performance as a Mac Pro. That is the correct platform to make a computer comparable to a Mac Pro. Simultaneously, the lower starting price means far more options. For example, you're doing huge datasets over a SAN, you can use a SATA SSD for boot without affecting much in the way of performance. (Some servers even have the option to boot off a SD card) On the other hand, you can pump these systems up to multiple drive hot-swap U.2 RAID arrays.

Also, Dell is crap. Lenovo is cheaper, HP has more options but is more expensive. All three of them you can get better than website prices simply by phoning in.

Yet again “x is cheaper” turns out to be “well yes because x is nothing like y”.

Again, putting words in my mouth by failing to read the thread. The claim is Dell, HP and Lenovo have a much lower price of entry to the same workstation platform by not loading the base model up with mediocre hardware (256 GB SSD, a 2-year old previous-gen GPU).

 

[Stephen.R]

No, it would kill us.😬

I’m almost certain you can survive with just one arm and leg
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The claim is Dell, HP and Lenovo have a much lower price of entry to the same workstation platform by not loading the base model up with mediocre hardware (256 GB SSD)

They have a lower entry price, agreed.

Claiming that 4 cores, 8GB and a mechanical drive is not “mediocre” for a workstation is not going to fly.

 

[konqerror]

Claiming that 4 cores, 8GB and a mechanical drive is not “mediocre” for a workstation is not going to fly.

You start at a low price with a low configuration and upgrade what you need. Versus Apple forces you start at a middle-high price, but the config is a low- to middle-low at best. Regardless of value, it locks them out of people who have a low- to mid-range budget ($3000-5000)

And the SP platforms offer a far wider range of options for the CPU, which is why HP has a single-socket SP and the price difference for a Lenovo W to dual-SP isn't much. You can have cheap CPUs with many slow cores, mid-range CPUS with a spectrum between core count and speed, or high-end CPUs with cores and speed. The Xeon W, as Apple has done, is really a compromised option.

 

[reden]

Apple's new Mac Pro has received FCC approval today ahead of its release later this year. Apple's website still says the new Mac Pro is "coming this fall," but FCC approval could signal an imminent announcement.

The all-new ?Mac Pro? is a powerhouse, with up to 28-core Intel Xeon processors, up to 1.5TB of ECC RAM, up to 4TB of SSD storage, and up to AMD Radeon Pro Vega II Duo graphics with 64GB of HBM2 memory. The computer also has eight PCIe expansion slots for maximum performance, expansion, and configurability.

A new design includes a stainless steel frame with smooth handles and an aluminum housing that lifts off for 360-degree access to the entire system. The housing also has a unique lattice pattern to maximize airflow and quiet operation.

The new ?Mac Pro? will start at $5,999 in the United States with an eight-core Intel Xeon processor, 32GB of ECC RAM, Radeon Pro 580X graphics, and 256GB of SSD storage. Apple will also be selling the 32-inch Pro Display XDR with 6K resolution for $4,999, with an optional stand to be available for $999.

Article Link: New Mac Pro Receives FCC Approval Ahead of Launch

This is a real "Pro" product, can't wait to buy one, including XDR display.

 

[BaltimoreMediaBlog]

I would want at least 64GB memory and 2-4TB storage.

As it stands, I could buy a new Mac Pro or a used Chevy.

 

[MGrayson3]

Actual problem: The high-end dual socket workstations (better than the Mac Pro, which is single socket) from Dell, HP, Lenovo all start at around $2500. The equivalent single-socket base model is $1300 from Lenovo.

You're making the argument that it's acceptable that a V8 Mustang GT costs $115,000 compared to a V6 base-model Camaro at $25,000.



Actual problem: I'll tell you it won't happen on the ML and scientific computing because Metal isn't available on clusters or AWS/Azure. The point is to prototype and develop on your desktop then upload the code to a cluster.

I'm only addressing the "$6000 does nothing" comment. If anyone wants to argue how badly a $20,000 Mac Pro compares with the competition, that makes sense. It's true, as I said, that a $2,000 Dell would probably be faster for my workflow. But that's not a reflection on the Mac Pro.

As far as ML, well, either the issue gets addressed or it doesn't. I know nothing of the technical problems of parallelizing Metal. I suspect this machine *is* aimed at the video crowd and nobody else.

 

[kylepro88]

Sorry for the stupid question, but can someone add multiple internal drives to it? Would be nice to have extra storage space without taking up desk space, separate drives for OS/Apps and user files, or one drive for macOS, one for another OS.

Could go with stuff like this... https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/PCIe/OWC/Mercury-Accelsior/S-Carrier

Or this... https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...rst-internal-hard-drive-sleds-for-new-mac-pro

 

[Glockworkorange]

This is the smartest comment in this thread. I’m not sure about an iMac Pro, but I‘d say that date for MBP16 and Mac Pro is right on the money. I wouldn’t rule out first Tuesday in Nov,
but second Tuesday seems more likely. Almost certainly private press briefings in NYC and Cupertino, similar to the AirPods this week, no event with video.

Exactly. Press hands on with new, all pro products second Tuesday of November, enough time to let ATV+ settle down but well enough before Thanksgiving for a press event on each coast. Thanksgiving hits and Apple winds down for the year.

I say iMac Pro because I think the chips are available and it’s been two years. OTOH, the iMac is due for a redesign and I think they’ll start that process with the iMac Pro first and let it trickle down.

Next year is going to be really interesting, for sure. Revamp the notebook line with the 16 inch form factor, an ARM notebook (return of the MacBook?), a new iMac design, new iPhone design (iPad Pro design language?), maybe the glasses (although I am skeptical) and another run of TV releases and announcements.

 

[skippermonkey]

I'm amazed how many people continually return to Mac Pro threads to endlessly criticise an (as yet unreleased) machine. And all too no avail.

 

[Mayo86]

Any idea of how much a card “equivalent” to the Radeon Pro Vega II Duo would cost? I know it’s technically 2 GPUs on one card and it’s designed around the MPX schematic. But was curious nonetheless.

 

[DeepIn2U]

ready to buy now. Pls hurry

I cannot WAIT to see your setup!

I'm amazed how many people continually return to Mac Pro threads to endlessly criticise an (as yet unreleased) machine. And all too no avail.

Kinda of reminds me of the PowerMac G5 launch Let's take a trip down memory lane in the threads, I'll bet many of the trolls and haters where here back then as well!

The best is on youtube watching so many trying to BUILD a replica of the 2019 Mac Pro for Windows and having a hard time doing so LMAO classic.

many engineers can modify cars, heck great ones can build them like Shelby ... but VERY few can get the ultimate performance like the GT350R and GT500R with more than straight line performance like a Hemi/Cuda/Red-Eye. They don't get it's NOT just about the specs like a brochure, it's about real world work, performance, consistency over years! Warranty support, reliable warranty support, synergistic performance from the CPU, GPU, RAM, Storage and the OS and and applications you've invested in.

I work with Windows at work, troubleshooting dealing with gripes and complexity ... I come home to zen for personal aspirations in OSX for a reason.

 

[sideshowuniqueuser]

SIX THOUSAND dollars and you get a 256GB SSD

Sure, but if you're in the market for this sort of machine, you're likely going to have network RAID storage, so the local SSD will basically only hold the OS and installed software, and all data stored on the network, so there is no need to enforce customers to pay more for a larger SSD that they don't need or want.

 

[MacBH928]

This Mac is going to be around for a looooooooong time given its insane power and expandability, and high price, owners will not let go of it.

Still, ugliest Mac ever made.

Not all the pros. In motion graphics, VFX and 3D animation it's pretty shocking. The CPU is impressive but the base model comes with the same GPU as a regular iMac. The storage is laughable - 256GB for the base model in 2019?

Without Nvidia support, a lot of people will ignore it.

Can't you expand it with external GPU?

 

[Number Curtain]

Those front grill holes look like traps for toddler fingers.

 

[Lone Deranger]

go look at pro workstations... My last PC one cost £18K.

If you need a machine for work and it's primary source of earning money then even 30K is not a lot. My Gardener bought a pick up truck for work and that cost more than that - Wonder if people go on forums complaining that you could buy a Nissan cheaper than a For or whatever?

Actually, I've spent 20 years working on pro workstations at some of the biggest Visual Effects companies in the Film/TV industry. Out of those 20 years I had the pleasure of working on a Mac for just 3 of those years. A pretty rare exception. For the rest it's been predominantly Dell or HP workstations running Linux and Windows. Simply because these two companies have a far better track record when it comes to actually offering workstations than Apple does. Where has Apple been the past 5 years? Dropped Power users like a hot potato while they were too busy focusing on making consumer gadgets, that's where.

So my point stands. No VFX company will buy these things in bulk. They quite simply cannot afford to do so. VFX companies aren't swimming in money. Quite the opposite actually. Read up about the tragic histories of Rhythm 'n Hues, or Halo.

All these clever retorts of "it's a tool to make money, therefor $30K is nothing" are forgetting the fact that there are always budgetary restraints. Furthermore, there are software licenses to consider, which for a professional/commercial 3D VFX artist can run as much as the price of a workstation.... every year. So within the context of a big VFX company, using your $30K figure, that would be $30K * 400-500 artists. (a quite normal number of artists working on blockbuster level shows with 1000-1250 shots to create). That's $13.000.000. Double that for software licenses and then start budgeting for the hardware, software, operating and maintenance costs to set up and run a 10.000 core render-farm....... I hope you get the picture by now.

This is not complaining. This is merely stating cold, hard facts.

 

[crsh1976]

I'm not sure you're fully informed about the CPU and GPU upgrade possibilities that existed with the MP4,1 & MP5,1 machines. Go to the Mac Pro forum and you'll see tons of links for those.

Standard off the shelf Sapphire Pulse RX 580 8GB GPUs are Apple's own recommended for these machines for Mojave.

CPUs are restricted to the same "CLASS" or "SERIES" that Apple's stock are issued. I'm running dual X5690's in MP5,1 and these were never available as an option from Apple. RAM is at 128GB and this was not possible from Apple at the time. System boot drive is an NVMe, which was possible from Apple's BootROM update.

This flexibility is the hope for the MP7,1.

Glad you went out and upgraded your CPU, that Apple never officially supported any sort of upgrade path for your pro machine is precisely the issue I'm bringing up.

Apple's "buy another one when you're ready to upgrade" approach to the pro market is a waste of perfectly good, expandable hardware.