Because cost and value are not the same thing and use cases vary wildly. People have a right to be disappointed when the kind of machine they like now costs three times as much as before.
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Because cost and value are not the same thing and use cases vary wildly. People have a right to be disappointed when the kind of machine they like now costs three times as much as before.
Not stupid.
You will not find yourself with a computer containing 3.5" HDD bays and the screws already there for mounting. But since you have PCIe slots, you can shell out for multi M.2 slot NVME drive cards. Make sure the card includes the fan. And then shell out for the M.2 drives. And while your are shelling out, make sure to get all six RAM channels populated.
I thought the site said October, but enough has happened since June that I may be totally wrong and thinking of something else.
Mac Pro's have had Xeon processors for over 10 years. And before that they had RISC processors. And now Apple makes there own RISC processors and calls them the A chip's.
yeah, it's funny how Apple used to do the "Good" "better" "best" model in it's online store for the Macs, and the machines were legitimately different. Now it's just the same machine with 3 different amounts of storage. just like their phones and ipads and macbooks.
We really could've used a Mac Pro for Photographers/ Wedding videographers i9 processor (Good)$3500 / one for Commercial/Corporate/Freelance videographics, motion artsits, 3D guys, dual i9 processors (Better) $6000/ and then the insane one with Everything maxed and Error Correcting memory and super dual Xeons for Medical researchers with critical computations and maybe hollywood editors who need some extra speed (Best) $18,000
Instead they gave us the shell of the BEST one and are pretending this fits the "pros". There are more "pros" than the final BEST group. Probably 70-80% of the Pros are in the Good and Better Group, and would have loved the the "better" machine at around $6000 with dual RTX 2080 cards (if they were supported). Even at $6000 Apple would have made $4000 over cost.
We really could've used a Mac Pro for Photographers/ Wedding videographers i9 processor (Good)$3500 / one for Commercial/Corporate/Freelance videographics, motion artsits, 3D guys, dual i9 processors (Better) $6000/ and then the insane one with Everything maxed and Error Correcting memory and super dual Xeons for Medical researchers with critical computations and maybe hollywood editors who need some extra speed (Best) $18,000
Instead they gave us the shell of the BEST one and are pretending this fits the "pros". There are more "pros" than the final BEST group. Probably 70-80% of the Pros are in the Good and Better Group, and would have loved the the "better" machine at around $6000 with dual RTX 2080 cards (if they were supported). Even at $6000 Apple would have made $4000 over cost.
That and the Xeon inside the Mac Pro isn't a server CPU. It's a Xeon W made for workstations. Still absurdly expensive however for the M versions that support 2TB of memory.
In the OS that will ship with the machine, the old "System" folder holding the OS is a very walled off entity. 256G for that is way overkill, it COULD be 64G I think. The trick is to run both the Applications AND user account folders on a physically separate volume. Or maybe the OS and Applications on the 256G built in SSD (I say built in because my guess is ONLY an Apple product will work in those kinda.sorta M.2 slots, I doubt a standard nvme stick will work there, but that remains to be seen). If your current /Applications is much over 220G, maybe a 512G SSD BTO?
The other thing that we are going to have to wait on is to see exactly what impact that T2 nonsense will restrict us to. AND I need to know exactly how running win10 will be...
Oh, I also have a real issue called a computer "Pro" when it can ONLY use SOME of one vendors GPUs.
The other thing that we are going to have to wait on is to see exactly what impact that T2 nonsense will restrict us to. AND I need to know exactly how running win10 will be...
Oh, I also have a real issue called a computer "Pro" when it can ONLY use SOME of one vendors GPUs.
Perhaps but the manufacturing costs of two motherboards for the Core i9 and Xeon W would likely not make it worth it. Also different cases too since both have a differing number of PCIe lanes, so different amount of slots. The 8-core model is rough because it uses the same socket as the higher end ones it's going to be very expensive, but that's a given with Cascade Lake W.
Mac Pros have always had Xeon CPUs. The base CPU retails for only $749. Several previous Mac Pro CPUs were more expensive than that.
Apple's warranties are horrible and overpriced. I remember seeing a few videos on youtube about how horrid their warranty process was and how Linus Tech Tips almost had to pay 5 grand for a new MacBook pro that was still under warranty because the logic board had something wrong with it. I also remember watching a video of a guy who sent his monitor in to get repaired and they completely ruined it.
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LOL, the starting price for this is $6,000. You only get a 256gb SSD for 6 grand????? I could build a supercomputer for these prices. LOL. Not to mention, the monitor that comes with it costs $5,000 and there is an optional stand that costs $1,000. Really??? a piece of plastic that holds your monitor costs 1G? Are you seriously joking right now??? LOL. What a bunch of overpriced garbage. I feel sorry for anyone who would actually pay that much money for this crap.
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i spent almost 7 k on my system and it would run circles around this thing. LOL
Than ask Apple for a Mac Mini Pro with the cost you would like to see and somethings you might like. That is why Apple has had a feedback pages for 30 years. I sent in feedback saying it would be cool to see a Mac Mini with some upgrading capability. Like a Mini tower with some slots. With a starting price of like $3000. This would let people choose their own monitor, keyboard, mouse and make it easy to upgrade the video card and a PCI card. Just take the Mac Pro and cut the specs in half. Apple can have multiple machines in there mac market and still make money.
Random side note: I am hobbling along on a trashcan Mac Pro
2.7 GHz 12-Core Intel Xeon E5
64 GB 1866 MHz DDR3
while I wait for this Mac Pro.
I took my son's gaming PC I built him last weekend, (8 core Ryzen, 16 GB RAM RTX 2070 Super - approx $1100 total build) and as a test I took an After Effects project from work home and hit render on his machine.
Mac pro was 8 minutes, his machine was 5.
So 40% faster.
I didn't feel like going through the time to install Cinema 4D on his machine, but I would assume that would have had some insane jumps in performance as the Mac Pro's dual AMD D700's are sad.
Now, obviously this is comparing a 2013 machine to a 2019 machine, and that speed bump might simply just be clock speed since the Ryzen is 3.6 GHz... The point is, I don't even remember what this Mac Pro cost with all that RAM, and the 12 cores, but it was maybe 10-15x as much as this $1100 machine I made.
It is not hard to imagine today I could build a $5000 PC with dual RTX cards with CUDA and a ton of RAM that would likely tie the $15,000 version of this Mac Pro.
That being said, I am VERY interested in seeing some real world benchmarks when this thing ships, because I WANT to stay with the Mac so badly, yet this really feels like Apple is going the monster cable route (gold plated connectors that make zero difference in performance but if you don't want that then we don't want you as a customer ) with this Mac Pro. By only offering the insane custom parts that no one is asking for besides Scientists that need ECC and 256 GB of RAM, they really are underserving their pro market.
2.7 GHz 12-Core Intel Xeon E5
64 GB 1866 MHz DDR3
while I wait for this Mac Pro.
I took my son's gaming PC I built him last weekend, (8 core Ryzen, 16 GB RAM RTX 2070 Super - approx $1100 total build) and as a test I took an After Effects project from work home and hit render on his machine.
Mac pro was 8 minutes, his machine was 5.
So 40% faster.
I didn't feel like going through the time to install Cinema 4D on his machine, but I would assume that would have had some insane jumps in performance as the Mac Pro's dual AMD D700's are sad.
Now, obviously this is comparing a 2013 machine to a 2019 machine, and that speed bump might simply just be clock speed since the Ryzen is 3.6 GHz... The point is, I don't even remember what this Mac Pro cost with all that RAM, and the 12 cores, but it was maybe 10-15x as much as this $1100 machine I made.
It is not hard to imagine today I could build a $5000 PC with dual RTX cards with CUDA and a ton of RAM that would likely tie the $15,000 version of this Mac Pro.
That being said, I am VERY interested in seeing some real world benchmarks when this thing ships, because I WANT to stay with the Mac so badly, yet this really feels like Apple is going the monster cable route (gold plated connectors that make zero difference in performance but if you don't want that then we don't want you as a customer ) with this Mac Pro. By only offering the insane custom parts that no one is asking for besides Scientists that need ECC and 256 GB of RAM, they really are underserving their pro market.
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Doesn't run Nvidia/CUDA – Been living without it for a year now and apps are being converted to Metal, so don't care.
PCs are cheaper/more powerful – don't want a PC/Windows, I want a Mac, so don't care.
Laughably expensive – I'm cheerily well off, so don't care care.
Anyone else want to have a moan?
PCs are cheaper/more powerful – don't want a PC/Windows, I want a Mac, so don't care.
Laughably expensive – I'm cheerily well off, so don't care care.
Anyone else want to have a moan?
This is the smartest comment in this thread. I’m not sure about an iMac Pro, but I‘d say that date for MBP16 and Mac Pro is right on the money. I wouldn’t rule out first Tuesday in Nov,
but second Tuesday seems more likely. Almost certainly private press briefings in NYC and Cupertino, similar to the AirPods this week, no event with video.
I noticed they mentioned an FPGA accelerator card but no cost so I did a little digging and found this :
I figure the Apple one will cost more but for Video production the MacPro , display and accelerator car will more than pay for itself in a short time. Imagine if Babylon 5 production had access to this whole system? #BringBackB5
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I figure the Apple one will cost more but for Video production the MacPro , display and accelerator car will more than pay for itself in a short time. Imagine if Babylon 5 production had access to this whole system? #BringBackB5
It sounds like some want the 8-core i9 iMac in a Power Mac G5 case. A 9900K, 2 maybe 3 PCIe slots, and a mid-range GPU like the Radeon RX 5500 or 5700. I think the last mid-range tower Apple ever had was the Power Mac G4.
We = One of the 650 voices in my head. Takes 4-6 hours just to decide on a place to eat lol
It's a Pro machine; every customer is going to customize it, and every discipline is going to customize it differently. Someone who does music is going to customize it entirely differently from someone who does motion graphics. The base model is the lowest-common denominator. A small storage device is appropriate since many people are going to reserve it solely for use as the boot drive. A middling GPU is good enough for non-graphic pros, who just need a user interface.
"It sounds like some want the 8-core i9 iMac in a Power Mac G5 case. A 9900K, 2 maybe 3 PCIe slots, and a mid-range GPU like the Radeon RX 5500 or 5700. I think the last mid-range tower Apple ever had was the Power Mac G4."
yep. And they've been asking for over 8 years but Apple likes making phone money.
yep. And they've been asking for over 8 years but Apple likes making phone money.
Than ask Apple for a Mac Mini Pro with the cost you would like to see and somethings you might like. That is why Apple has had a feedback pages for 30 years. I sent in feedback saying it would be cool to see a Mac Mini with some upgrading capability. Like a Mini tower with some slots. With a starting price of like $3000. This would let people choose their own monitor, keyboard, mouse and make it easy to upgrade the video card and a PCI card. Just take the Mac Pro and cut the specs in half. Apple can have multiple machines in there mac market and still make money.
Oh, the feedback page knows me well, I'm a regular, it's like an episode of Cheers... I don't want to assume which character I am though lol.
I plan on sending more feedback/helpful suggestions as soon as I see official pricing for the UK (where I am). But I'm guessing it's going to be relatively close to the US figure with the exchange rate in the toilet (for us) like it is.
My one (probably forlorn) hope is the price drops on this after 12 months or so. Or they have a similar entry-level version planned... but I'm doubtful.
Yeah, I guess Linus and other youtubers might find it difficult finding followers making videos of users having a good/straightforward/painless experience getting their Apple products serviced, that the majority of customers experience day in and day out.
That certainly is my experience.
A professional company that is looking for high-end computers such as the new Mac Pro are not going to deal with a build-your-own box without a warranty or service.