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Oh, I’m sorry. You are correct it does come with an Apple M1 chip. It’s just overly outdated. November, 2020.
I guess I'm referring to a new refresh.
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New Mac Pro With M2 Ultra Chip Might Launch This Spring Alongside macOS 13.3
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I guess I'm referring to a new refresh.
on die ram is not easy to change (out side of an full CPU card swap)
I won't be getting a Mac Pro, but I'll enjoy hearing about it when Apple announces them. Always enjoy new tech!
imo, the upgraded chips should come in ‘pro’ devices BEFORE all the others. It doesn’t make any sense from a consumer standpoint the M2 was available in the Air a year prior to a MBP. Not in my eyes.
This is why some people—and understandably so—have issues with the Ultra Watch. The best devices (and most expensive) should have the best chips available!
If the M3 is available, it needs to hit the biggest, baddest computer in the line first. M3 for this year’s Mac Pro should be a thing!
This is why some people—and understandably so—have issues with the Ultra Watch. The best devices (and most expensive) should have the best chips available!
If the M3 is available, it needs to hit the biggest, baddest computer in the line first. M3 for this year’s Mac Pro should be a thing!
Why do we even need 3 different desktop designs at this point if we take away expandability?
A single well-designed one could accommodate anything between M2, Pro, Max and Ultra.
Oh, that's right, marketing.
A single well-designed one could accommodate anything between M2, Pro, Max and Ultra.
Oh, that's right, marketing.
Pro is a relative term. The PS4 Pro is a “pro” version of the PS4, so it remains appropriate. Totally agree “Apple shouldn’t call ANYTHING Pro unless it does X” needs to stop, it’s all about context.
Not necessarily. This is what give Apple Silicon it’s performance per watt advantage from scaling UP compared to what Intel does and scales DOWN.
Enhanced or Plus is better for PS4 than Pro. I can’t really do professional work on a PS4.
No upgradable RAM and a delay for the M2 Ultra suggest to me that the MP will be scalable through the number of Ultra chips you have installed. CPU/GPU/NE/RAM will come as a package.
I'd asked in another thread whether "cluster in a box" was a reasonable model. It got some pushback, but I think it's because we're thinking of "cluster" in different ways or maybe I'm just using that term incorrectly-- but I imagine this won't be an enormous number of cores all accessing a massive common pool of RAM with GPU resources out on a bus with a different RAM pool. I think this will be a federation of SoCs linked together each with fast access to local on package RAM and high speed interconnect among them. Adding RAM will mean adding processing at the same time.
I'd asked in another thread whether "cluster in a box" was a reasonable model. It got some pushback, but I think it's because we're thinking of "cluster" in different ways or maybe I'm just using that term incorrectly-- but I imagine this won't be an enormous number of cores all accessing a massive common pool of RAM with GPU resources out on a bus with a different RAM pool. I think this will be a federation of SoCs linked together each with fast access to local on package RAM and high speed interconnect among them. Adding RAM will mean adding processing at the same time.
Well the trashcan, the iMac Pro and the 2019 Mac Pro were all announced at WWDCs so I think you can safely ignore any such responses!I think it will announce in WWDC too. I however got a lot of heat in the past stating Apple doesn’t announce this kind of stuff at WWDC. I don’t agree but you might get the same responses
That used to be a thing decades ago. Everyone has moved on after Apple ruined FCP
Personally? In the Intel era it was either horribly underpowered Mac Mini or horribly overpriced Mac Pro. I ended up getting stuck with a 2019 i9 iMac and I really REALLY don’t like all in ones. But I like saving money more! I’m finally happy there is a third desktop.
For those who Want To Believe it’ll come before WWDC, this rumor from last week says the Mac Pro will be announced in March along with a ton of other new models.
To me that sounds like too many Macs to announce at the same time. I think they’d do M2 Pro/Max chips on their own, and their most important models (laptops). Maybe a Mac Mini refresh with those chips too. Let the M2 Max get the spotlight for a few months before announcing the M2 Ultra.
To me that sounds like too many Macs to announce at the same time. I think they’d do M2 Pro/Max chips on their own, and their most important models (laptops). Maybe a Mac Mini refresh with those chips too. Let the M2 Max get the spotlight for a few months before announcing the M2 Ultra.
“Pro” stands for “prohibitively expensive”.I guess the new definition of pro will be someone who knows how much RAM they will need for the lifetime of the computer.
I’m guessing the spring event is all Mac focused, with the addition of “One more thing…”
The architecture (SOC) doesn't support user-upgradeable RAM.
The M series chips give direct RAM access to the CPU and GPU, dramatically speeding things up by reducing transaction overhead, with the added benefit of reducing power draw and running far cooler. To make RAM upgradeable, you've got to now add a bus, sockets, controller, dedicated GPU memory with it's own bus and controller, and an access panel. This would kill everything about the M chips that make them so efficient.
How can you say a machine needs upgradeable RAM to be 'pro'? Are you looking for a box that doubles as a space heater and white-noise generator?
Makes sense to me. This could be one reason to keep the large form factor of the current Mac Pro.
It makes more sense to a) start with where the money is (iPhone, then laptops, then desktops) and b) test a new fab process with smaller dice and grow the die size as you gain confidence in the process and improve yields.
"Best" is a multidimensional term-- if all you're looking at is single core speed, then maybe this looks out of order to you, but if "pro" means faster multi-core performance, deeper memory with more bandwidth, higher coprocessor performance and reliability then the best and most expensive devices do have the best chips available.
Does that sound realistic to you? The pundits haven't the slightest clue what Apple is working on right now and they're freaking out.
I'm hoping Apple has upgraded the wheels.
They should cancel the Mac Pro completely. The M processors are great for consumers. Leave this segment, where is needed expandability, multicores, tons od memory, storage and extreme graphics, for Windows machines. Sorry Mac Pro fans, the majority is happy with Macbooks.
I worked in IT and we had all machines configured the same. We never upgrade a single machine to have more RAM than others because that makes deployment a headache when it comes to figuring out if XYZ software is compatible with all of the workstations.
When the time comes to upgrade, we don't upgrade all machines to increase ram, we just buy all new machines because that's when the new budget comes in.
What use case are you concerned with where an M1 mini is not enough, the M1 Max Studio is too much, but an M2 mini with a 10% performance increase is what you need?
Intel vs Apple Silicon, I totally agree. I’m simply stating to give us the best chip on pro devices and the others can have leftovers after they properly trickle through the lineup.
M1 max/ultra/extreme vs M2 in terms of performance is too confusing. A consumer sees the higher number and naturally think it’s a better product. So yeah, I want the M3 chip if I’m getting the new and upcoming Mac Pro.