That would be a reasonable guess. I'm looking to learn how to develop apps for the headset when it is finally made public.
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New Mac Pro With M2 Ultra Chip Might Launch This Spring Alongside macOS 13.3
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Excellent post. This is a thoughtful reply from someone who clearly operates as a business. That's the target market for these machines.
I am for simplicity. I don't like what marketing managers do now, eg. many same products with different names and prices just for someone who is not oriented in their products. If they made Mac Studio, there is no room for other desktop with the same processor ans almost no expandability.
"Pro" is just a marketing gimmick, it doesn't mean for professionals anymore, it means "better version". Take the iPhone Pro, the Macbook Pro M2 or whatever thing just slightly better labeled Pro to charge you more. Now, Mac Pro is just a workstation, period. And workstations should allow to upgrade its parts, no matter if you are enthusiast, pro, or whatever label you wanna put in.
This isn’t something targeted for server racks. I mean Mac minis can be used in racks too.
I agree with you on this. The individuals on here trying to justify the mac pro are acting like they know something someone else doesn’t but in fact they’re completely out of touch with professional workloads.
Someone else gave an example of video production work. Well let’s use this example. A simple point and shoot camera or smartphone camera without interchangeable lenses is NOT considered a pro tool for photography or video. Most PROFESSIONAL photographers will have DSLRS or video cameras with interchangeable lenses because specific applications require specific tools.
Are some professionals also using point and shoot or smart phone cameras for their work? Sure they are. But to do so exclusively is ludicrous. And the cameras in question often cost thousands more than a smartphone. Conversely the MacPro is priced like a very, very high end server but it does NOT provide anywhere near the same versatility.
You know as well as I do that the final product will not be just a Mac Studio with expandable storage. But that's all the pundits have been able to uncover so they're remarking on it.
You have no idea what you are talking about. I work in one of the top VFX studio (and worked for all the top ones in the past) - NONE use Mac (apart from production laptops) and all the workstations are usually Dell or HP running Linux.
You are out of touch.
Mac in VFX is impossible as tons of programs are not supported so only some small studios run Mac otherwise its all Linux.
You are out of touch.
Mac in VFX is impossible as tons of programs are not supported so only some small studios run Mac otherwise its all Linux.
I like the idea of upgradable RAM but… your comment doesn’t make a lot of sense to me frankly. For many reasons.
RAM used to be very important to upgrade because in the sole life cycle of a computer, you could go from 64mb to 512mb per slot as the standard. That’s what happened to my G4 powermac but… it’s not the case anymore. And price for big RAMs won’t drop anymore so, as a professional, why shouldn’t you put the amount of ram you need right away into the machine you’re payng thousands of dollars? RAM upgrades don’t make the computer life longer anymore.
Then you have to consider that putting the ram in the chip makes it way faster to access. Do you prefer worse upgradable RAM? I’d ho for performance, not upgradability with a pricey computer.
Also… ever heard of MacBook Pros? Are they not good for Pros? And… GPUs? Aren’t we very, very used to choosing the right amount of RAM the processor can handle when we buy it?
Think you don’t want to lose that just because you’re used to that possibility but you should try to look a little farther beyond your nose.
Apple's chip naming system is a breeze compared to Intel and AMD. Try explaining why an 11th generation Intel Core i5 K-series chip is faster than a 12th generation Intel Core i7 U-series chip. (Hint: One is a desktop chip and one is a low power laptop chip).
Anyone in the market for a system equipped with a Pro, Max, or Ultra variant chip is going to be knowledgable enough or have done enough research to know that those chips outperform the base M-series in most tasks, especially if they're looking to drop $4000 USD on an M1 Ultra Studio.
Oh I know. And I’m not claiming they are. But they’re priced similarly to hardware that sits in a data center. Frankly priced closer to something like a hyper converged system.
It’s a niche product. Much like Leica cameras are a niche among professional photographers. It’s still a shame they neglect to offer any sort of option for a broader professional market. But they also abandoned the “server” concept so…. There is that.
I wonder if they’ll take a page out of the PowerMac G4 playbook and go “Dual M2”
err bit incorrect, I work in VFX and we are using HP....
The M2 Pro, Max and Ultra haven't been launched yet so nobody knows what the specs are going to be - even if its based on the same CPU and GPU cores as the M2 and still 5nm it may have more of them (there are rumours of 12 CPU cores in the max, so 24 in the ultra, and the regular M2 already features an extra GPU core). Maybe it's 3nm and the M2 in the name refers to the logical design of the cores (rather than their detailed implementation in 5nm) or maybe, just maybe, M2 Pro/Max/Ultra whatever are just product names chosen by the marketing department according to how the focus groups react.
Or maybe they're currently testing prototypes with M2 Ultras because they're waiting to see whether 3nm M3 Ultras (which might be called Z42 Ludicrous Top Banana XL if the marketing department find Jobs' old stash) are available in time.
...who knows, but can people please stop trying to extrapolate the specs of unannounced products from processor names which themselves only come from rumours & guesses?
And therefore....
Sure... and Tim Cook might announce it dressed as Batman. Or maybe there are prototypes of new Macs which may or may not be released any time this year floating around that are running whatever the latest development build of MacOS happens to be right now.
I know this is "Mac Rumors" and not "Mac Proven Facts" - but when did it become "Mac Reheated Tweets That Were Already Reported on 3 Days Ago"?
I would agree. Mac Studio is going to be a better choice for most users, except for the few niche pros, in my opinion.
I think what some people posted and what I’m curious about is if Apple could stop the focus of performance per watt for just THIS product. I want to see how Apple Silicon performs when pumping 500 watts let along 1000 watts PSU like some high performance Intel systems need. I want Apple to really flex here.
I’ll be a bit disappointed is the new Mac Pro is still limited to roughly 100 watts like the Studio under full load.
I’ll be a bit disappointed is the new Mac Pro is still limited to roughly 100 watts like the Studio under full load.
THANK YOU!!! This is absolutely the truth. Heck even for basic video editing MacOS took a massive hit with the transition to Final Cut X. Professionals began abandoning the platform in favor of Adobe Premier, which frankly has (at least until recently) run much, much better on PC hardware. Mostly due to graphics card optimizations available to Nvidia which MacOS no longer supports.
Even then for much of the work in VFX and AI development it’s even becoming more common place to just lease time on a farm of equipment in a cloud based data center.
The Mac Pro is basically a piece of tech jewelry or one of those products the ultra wealthy buy just because they can. But it adds very little to daily productivity. (The same does not apply to MacBook Pros which remain extremely capable and productive devices.)
So, if you get a cpu case with 8Gb of RAM and a Pentium processor, the fact you can upgrade turns it into a Pro machine? 🤷🏽♂️
With the rumors that the Mac Studio was a placeholder for the Mac Pro and will disappear once the Pro launches, I can see the Studio phasing out and the Mini returns.
Mac Mini -> iMac -> iMac Pro -> Mac Pro
If the RAM isn’t upgradeable, I don’t know why’d they sell it. All Macs are just a board with some differences.
MacBook Air, portable base model
MacBook Pro, same as Air but with added fan
Mac Mini, base desktop model
iMac, base desktop model with display
Mac Studio, same as Mac mini but with added fan
Mac Pro, ????
Sure the chips are different, but the overall structure is the same. The Pro has always been the modular Mac.
MacBook Air, portable base model
MacBook Pro, same as Air but with added fan
Mac Mini, base desktop model
iMac, base desktop model with display
Mac Studio, same as Mac mini but with added fan
Mac Pro, ????
Sure the chips are different, but the overall structure is the same. The Pro has always been the modular Mac.
That better not happen. I don’t like all in ones. Mac mini is too weak. Base Mac Pro 2019 was a joke for $6,000. I needed to spec it to $8,000. Where the iMac with similar specs was just over half the cost.
It would awesome if they could figure out a fusion architecture. blending Intel and Apple silicon into a single, unified system. Best of both worlds.