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More important to you, maybe not. But more important for software developers. Or at least as important. Again, context. I specifically said "for software developers".

If we were talking about their usage by general public, post PC devices are much more important than PC's. People can spend some time without their PC's, but not without their phones, and this has been so for a long time now.

I still have to meet ONE software developer that doesn't use a PC to actually develop and test software. PCs are the most important tool for software developers, or at least for those that I know.
 
I still have to meet ONE software developer that doesn't use a PC to actually develop and test software. PCs are the most important tool for software developers, or at least for those that I know.

Pleased to meet you. I've been using Mac exclusively for the last 5 years. As does everyone on my team. And everyone at the last place I worked.
 
I still have to meet ONE software developer that doesn't use a PC to actually develop and test software. PCs are the most important tool for software developers, or at least for those that I know.

Tools, yes. Because development is still being done on PC's. But ask any developer around you about the future of software development. You hear one word and one word only: "mobile"

If more Mac sales don't mean more Mac Pro sales, then Apple is screwing up somewhere and *making a mistake* (oh but is that even possible??!)

The majority of Macs sold is naturally laptops, but if the unit sale of Mac Pros isn't increasing at the same rate as Mac sales in general, then Apple is doing something wrong.

Excuse me but why? Basic logical reasoning says Mac Pro sales should decrease in time, since less and less people need Mac Pro's every passing year. Mac Pro sales can only increase if the amount of switchers are enough to cover up for the usual loss of workstation users.

We know that Apple is still feeding off switchers, but I don't think they are that many.

As for Apple's business model relying on secrecy, how can you even say that straight faced (I assume) after you've done nothing but claim and claim again that Mac Pro upgrades are dependent on Intel (which *doesn't* have a secret roadmap)??! :confused:

No you are not confused. You are simply trolling. Apple depends on Intel to release new computers, but they never say to you exactly when. Even the week before they don't tell you. So they are as secret as they can be. One can "guess" when they are going to release new computers using previous cycles and looking at Intel roadmap, as macrumors does for example.

Now that's about hardware. About software, Apple is as secret as it goes. Final Cut Pro X is going to be released in June, still not a single official webpage has been done for it and no official information is out, except the April demo and the mostly NDA covered "insights".

You really can't make me believe that you didn't have any idea about Apple and secrecy. Those two words go hand in hand in business textbooks. There are lots of quite funny anecdotes about the weird secrecy inside the Cupertino campus, you should check them out some time.

Besides, how does that even make sense, to keep pro machine roadmap a secret? It's not like pro customers impulse buy, for crissake!!

Make sense goddamit! :eek:

I do make sense, or I don't even know if it's possible not to make sense when the arguments aren't opinionated to begin with. You are, like I said, simply trolling here. Anyone will laugh at you in this board if you actually claim that Apple is not keeping their releases secret. Do you know when Apple is going to release their next Mac Pro? No. Does anyone here? No. Then it's secret. Simple as that. Do you know which processors the new line up will feature? Which exact models? No. Can you guess, yes. But do you know? No. Then it's secret.
 
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I'd consider a Mac Mini a replacement server for my whole house audio/video system (currently run by an old PowerMac), but without USB3, it's dead on arrival to me (media drive is already USB3 and I don't see any TB products at all yet and can't imagine how much more they will cost over USB3 products when they do finally arrive).
 
Apple could just copy Microsoft again

No, you don't understand. Apple would pay fees for each BD Rom they installed, but on top of it, they have to pay codec licensing fees to decode BD movies on OS X.

Think of it this way. Apple pays licensing fees so you can play DVD movies on your mac, even if your mac doesn't have a DVD Rom. So they are paying it for the software as well. ...

That's right, so Apple wouldn't have to pay more royalties to use it for BD decoding. Anyway, that's neither here nor there, because the reason for the lack of BD support on Macs can't really be financial.

I don't think Blu Ray is only about H.264. Apple pays for the codec, but what about the audio codecs used in Blu Rays? True HD, DTS HD, these are all propriety codecs as well. I'm pretty sure you pay extra for the BD movie playback even if the OS supports H.264.

But, as many have said - Windows 7 can't play BD movies O-O-T-B.

Microsoft doesn't ship the codecs, and therefore doesn't have to pay royalties.

When you buy a $75 BD writer at Fry's, it comes with a disc with BD player software and codecs.
 
Why the Blue Ray debate?

There are plenty of people with good memory, who will be done after they have seen a movie once. Don't need to own it. Liked it if it was good in 720 or 1080. Done!

If I really feel like watching the same movie twice: iTunes to the rescue for $ 2.99 or so.

Okay, kids , buy the DVD etc. rip it and they can watch it as often as they like via ATV2.

Owners of DVD's, CD's records etc. will eventually all have the same problem. Where to keep all that stuff that you don't really use 24/7.

Go onto youtube and check out George Carlin's words about "STUFF".
 
But, as many have said - Windows 7 can't play BD movies O-O-T-B.

Microsoft doesn't ship the codecs, and therefore doesn't have to pay royalties.

When you buy a $75 BD writer at Fry's, it comes with a disc with BD player software and codecs.

Well, Win doesn't play it O O T B but there are lots of cheap blu ray software you can buy. That would mean companies like Roxio are paying those royalties. But if they are paying them, why don't they just port their apps to OS X then?

Either they think it's of no use, and nobody would buy their apps if they ported them, or Apple is doing something to actually prevent it from happening. Which do you think it is? I have no clue.

If those developers are not porting the software because no Mac ships with a BD drive, then why is there software on Mac that supports BD burning? Ok that's royalty free, but still. Would they pay an extra royalty if they ported the app to OS X?
 
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In a perfect world the Mac Pro will have the USB2 ports replace with USB 3 (minus one port) and two Thunderbolt ports along with one Firewire 800 port.

But isn't Macs not supporting USB 3.0 about Intel chipsets? Intel was late in the game to support USB 3.0 because they wanted to promote TB.

That is to say Macs not supporting USB 3.0 by default. You could buy PCI-E or Express USB 3.0 cards yourself.
 
Tons? Western Digital added USB 3.0 supported external disks couple months ago only.

There really can't be tons of USB 3.0 devices anyway because not everything that uses USB will benefit from USB 3.0.

Same reason that there won't be tons of TB devices.

Check it out on Google.

There are many portable hard drives and thumb drives.

Tons may be a strong word, but I was also referring to the fact that it is seen in almost all new PC's being shipped. Its gotten a lot of support and has the same jack as USB 2.0

Anyway, if Thunderbolt (which is actually Lightpeak) stuck with the original USB style jack, I would have GLADLY thrown all my support behind it
 
Well, Win doesn't play it O O T B but there are lots of cheap blu ray software you can buy. That would mean companies like Roxio are paying those royalties. But if they are paying them, why don't they just port their apps to OS X then?

Microsoft provides the protected media path that's required by the players.

You can get easily get a "protected media path" on an Apple - just boot Windows.
 
But isn't Macs not supporting USB 3.0 about Intel chipsets? Intel was late in the game to support USB 3.0 because they wanted to promote TB.

If you want to build a conspiracy theory - please explain why all of Intel's ATX motherboards for Sandy Bridge support USB 3.0? Most of these were released before the copper Thunderbolt was available.

I believe that it's more likely a simple engineering decision. When Intel was designing and testing the first set of Sandy Bridge chipsets the USB 3.0 spec was too new and fluid to risk putting it in the silicon.

USB 3.0 is now widespread and proven, so it will be in the next design of Intel chipsets.
 
That's the current track record, Macs on maintenance upgrades (i.e. uninspired and minimal), but I for one always live in the hope that Apple wakes up from this iOS disaster (from the POV of a Mac user) and start treating the Macintosh like a tier one platform, worthy of all their attention.

Actually I'm just expecting minis and Mac Pros with T-bolts, and that's it. Nothing interesting, just maintenance. :cool:

Hopefully the mac mini team came up with something other than just the tbolt, something breathtaking...hopefully. :)
 
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