I understand if you absolutely need to get work done the fastest today, BUT no need to cross any fingers that it will work itself in the future. It WILL, trust me.
Well I cant buy an 08 on the site anyway! Where the hell are all of them?
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Well I cant buy an 08 on the site anyway! Where the hell are all of them?
If you really want the 08 models your best bet is either call your local apple store and ask if they have some in stock (some usually still do) and buy it with a business account for $1899. Crazy deal.
BUT if your unfortunate and your local apple stores are out then you can easily buy one on amazon.com for $2500.
Well, I can probably help b/c anytime I buy any major purchase, someone or something always comes along and blows away my purchase by upgrading things or price dropping...I believe those folks that say your computer/car/high-end electronics depreciate the minute you "drive it off the lot"
I think the risk for anyone deciding to buy 2008 vs. 2009 will be if software manufacturers catch up to hardware (seems across the board it's the software thats the bottle neck now...not being able to utilize hyperthread or multi-core)
But I would say that if you can't (in this case) make music with a 2008 model, you're not trying hard enough...I made two albums I'm happy with on a P3 and P4 and I'm sure there's others of us that have cranked out great work on less than that.
I don't apologize for my gear lust though
What?!? I defy anybody to actually max out 8 cores using audio apps.
Seriously, if anybody has any evidence of this actually happening, I'd love to see it. I posted a screen shot of my biggest projects in another thread, and though all 8 are being used, they're not maxed. Not even close.
Maybe it has something to do with bottlenecks of the memory in the 08 mac pro models that cant utilize or squeeze out enough with using those apps to begin with. Now that the nehalem's memory test is 2x faster especially with the qpi it could be even crazier with Nehalem.
Also dont forget if 8 cores are not maxed out in the current mac pros with pro tools, imagine how much more efficient it would be using more than 8 cores and how much faster.
Something like 50% of 8 cores being used. vs. 50% of 16 cores being used, or even 35% of 16 cores being used.
he meant the "optimization" from the soft side.
i think he is wrong tho (jjahshik), multithreading will benefit as much the octos as it will the nehalem octos, quad nehalems are still like "octos" with half power, software is yet to full utilize the power of multicore and snowleo is going to benefit old octocores greatly too.
i dont think that 08 octos are maxed out at all, you have at least the powerPC code to stripe down if nothing else..
i think he is wrong tho (jjahshik), multithreading will benefit as much the octos as it will the nehalem octos, quad nehalems are still like "octos" with half power, software is yet to full utilize the power of multicore and snowleo is going to benefit old octocores greatly too.
i dont think that 08 octos are maxed out at all, you have at least the powerPC code to stripe down if nothing else..
he meant the "optimization" from the soft side.
i think he is wrong tho (jjahshik), multithreading will benefit as much the octos as it will the nehalem octos, quad nehalems are still like "octos" with half power, software is yet to full utilize the power of multicore and snowleo is going to benefit old octocores greatly too.
i dont think that 08 octos are maxed out at all, you have at least the powerPC code to stripe down if nothing else..
If this is the case where I bolded, then the Nehalem Octos will be considered 12 core machine in real core values.
But thats probably not the case. I'm sure its somewhat faster than compared to what a real 12 core machines would be.
what?
quad nehalems "appear" as 8cores in OSX.
i still say and think that soft side is not maxed out.
Oops sorry I misread it, I thought you said nehalem models are like the older 8 core machines plus half the power.
But I dont believe so, just take a look at the geekbench/cinebench results.
i mean raw clock
otherwise yeah, its a new architecture. something must be better obviously. i still think Quads are not workstations, octos, if i didnt have one id probably be considering which to buy.when i was getting mine it was a nobrainer, 2times cores for same price?
What kind of insane hackjob software is Pro Tools? It seems like every software or hardware update Apple does manages to break Pro Tools completely.
I meant as in software written badly to take advantage of the new hardware.
Well it's not like Digi to not support the newest software/hardware available
I'm not too surprised by this really, Pro Tools is always late to the party, I've had to miss the last few Leopard software updates just to make sure that PTLE runs as it should.
If Logic suffers (which one early unsubstantiated report I've seen claims it does) then the new mac pros really are a bum deal for Audio work ATM.
I can't find an old octo 2.8 in the UK, so I've got two months to find one or I'm gonna risk a hackintosh and cross my fingers (at least it'll run games and Sound Forge if the mac side messes up).
I'm not too surprised by this really, Pro Tools is always late to the party, I've had to miss the last few Leopard software updates just to make sure that PTLE runs as it should.
If Logic suffers (which one early unsubstantiated report I've seen claims it does) then the new mac pros really are a bum deal for Audio work ATM.
I can't find an old octo 2.8 in the UK, so I've got two months to find one or I'm gonna risk a hackintosh and cross my fingers (at least it'll run games and Sound Forge if the mac side messes up).
You could do with asking this guy which version he's using.
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/7302577/
This is SO true, I'm really surprised some of you are bitching about this issue.
As far back as I can remember with Mac's/Studio production, every time a new version comes out, it always takes these 3rd party software/hardware companies to play catch up, with all there plug-in's and upgrades!
And it'll be the same deal when the the new 2010/2011 Mac Pro's are released.
So, either bite the bullet and deal/live with it, or just use what you got until the developers have caught up!
And stop all this F@*%ing whingeing!?
Snow Leopard and the Nehalem architecture will be your friend
snow leopard and ANY intelbased mac will be good friends...This is SO true, I'm really surprised some of you are bitching about this issue.
As far back as I can remember with Mac's/Studio production, every time a new version comes out, it always takes these 3rd party software/hardware companies to play catch up, with all there plug-in's and upgrades!
And it'll be the same deal when the the new 2010/2011 Mac Pro's are released.
So, either bite the bullet and deal/live with it, or just use what you got until the developers have caught up!
And stop all this F@*%ing whingeing!?
Snow Leopard and the Nehalem architecture will be your friend
but that doesnt matter, by the time protools support snow leopard a new generation will probably be released
If you have paying clients and need to get work done now, I would never upgrade to a new computer without being 100% sure it works properly with the software you need. I needed a new computer for the studio and just bought the "old" 2.8 octo. I know it will work, and I got it for a great price.
The new Mac Pro does look very promising, but I didn't want anything unknown right now.
The new Mac Pro does look very promising, but I didn't want anything unknown right now.
this from the Digidesign site:
Pro Tools Compatiblity with Newly Released Apple Computers
03/06/09
On March 3rd, Apple, Inc. released new versions of the iMac Mac mini, Mac Pro and MacBook Pro. Testing is underway and Digidesign is working toward fully qualifying these new machines. For the most recent information about Digidesign products and updates regarding the qualification of the new iMac Mac mini, Mac Pro and MacBook Pro, please check the compatibility pages at the Digidesign web site: http://www.digidesign.com/compatibility
so...I think we shouldn't worry too much about it. Logic ditto.
Pro Tools Compatiblity with Newly Released Apple Computers
03/06/09
On March 3rd, Apple, Inc. released new versions of the iMac Mac mini, Mac Pro and MacBook Pro. Testing is underway and Digidesign is working toward fully qualifying these new machines. For the most recent information about Digidesign products and updates regarding the qualification of the new iMac Mac mini, Mac Pro and MacBook Pro, please check the compatibility pages at the Digidesign web site: http://www.digidesign.com/compatibility
so...I think we shouldn't worry too much about it. Logic ditto.