Yeah I plan on keeping my '09 MP for years and just upgrading it. I'm going to replace my GT120 card with whatever comes out as a BTO option for the next MP, and add a SSD with Lion, sometime this year.
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New Mac Pros With Up to 16 Cores Coming in Late July/Early August?
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Yeah I plan on keeping my '09 MP for years and just upgrading it. I'm going to replace my GT120 card with whatever comes out as a BTO option for the next MP, and add a SSD with Lion, sometime this year.
I second that!
However we are living in the "Post PC" era according to Jobs.
It's all about Angry Birds, and other minutia.
It has been $0 on LGA 1366. Memory cost was $5-10 more per GB for non-ECC UDIMMs. As the logic boards are custom anyway there wouldn't be additional cost - it is a firmware issue to have ECC U/RDIMMs working. I agree the system price is very high for what you get hardware wise - the margin must be huge when the retail cost of similar components is under 50% of Apple's price. i7 vs Xeon is just not the issue and the i7 offers no benefit to the end user.
There are currently no 8GB non-ECC unbuffered 240 DIMMs available for desktops so right now to use 8GB DIMMs with a Core i5 or Core i7 CPU you have to have a board that will let you use ECC unbuffered DIMMs and that will just disable ECC functionality and 8GB ECC UDIMMs were only available in mid 2010 IIRC. I assume this is a market doesn't demand it kind of thing. Apple get around this of course because of using laptop memory.
This has always been an annoyance of mine too. I figure their real world testing didn't show enough difference so they didn't care and it kept the dual processor systems further apart in terms of features.
I'm sure that is in the works. I knew it would be a good leap. Knights Corner is isn't ready but 16-cores, we definitely have a Knights of the Round Table -- woohoo!
Yep. Every supposed super-processor that was going to come along and drink x86's milkshake has failed to do so so far. What people like to deride as all the "baggage" in x86 is actually very useful to making general purpose software run fast. At their heart, every x86 is designed more or less like an ARM, MIPS, or PowerPC - the additional decoding logic and microcode ROMs add a little area, add a pipe stage or two for certain instructions, but, in the end, they allow code executed by modern compilers to execute very quickly. And, believe it or not, a lot of the "baggage" that wasn't so helpful has been working its way out - for example, AMD64/x86-64 gets rid of a lot of stuff that gummed up the works.
I can see it now. 16-cores and yet no USB3. Might as well wait another year (well given how often they update, make that two).
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I would bet against usb3. They seem committed to thunderbolt plus if they wanted to start implementing it on their hardware, the mbps from feb would have had it I believe
I would bet against usb3. They seem committed to thunderbolt plus if they wanted to start implementing it on their hardware, the mbps from feb would have had it I believe
Only for the real people that use Mac Pros to make them money. It's a tool after all
Oh and the filthy rich that like to play farmville and have nothing better to spend their money on.
That's exactly why I point out I probably wouldn't want anything to do with the new Mac Pro. I suppose you could add a USB3 card (unlike Thunderbolt which has to be on the motherboard), but that creates potential latency issues that wouldn't exist on the main board.
Some of us are betting that Apple is going to get USB3 starting next year whether they really want it or not since Intel is scheduled to start shipping it on all their motherboards next year. Apple would have to go out of their way to prevent its appearance on the Mac and that seems unlikely (although I wouldn't put it past Steve either). But until an official Apple USB3 driver is available, it won't do much good on a Hackintosh and add-in cards' support will be shoddy at best (the only one I saw thus far was only guaranteed to work with the hard drive controllers made by the same company...how convenient. Although that was some time ago that I looked. The only Mac I could put it in now is the MBP through its expansion slot...you know the one that current MBPs of the 15" variety no longer have? Gee that SD slot is sure useful instead, though, right?
)Sounds like from all the rumors this will be a major update including a new form factor that'll allow it to be racked easily. This would then answer my question about what Apple is using in their own data center. Storage wise obviously not Apple's own product but servers are something they can produce.
The current mac pro is already starved for drive space - 4 drives just is not nearly enough. If they go rack mounted at 3 or even 4 high, it's going to be more cramped. The case needs to get bigger, not smaller!
I plunked down a large amount of money on several external raid boxes but I'd much rather have had my drives in the tower - have had PC towers that held 10+ drives.
I plunked down a large amount of money on several external raid boxes but I'd much rather have had my drives in the tower - have had PC towers that held 10+ drives.
I'm sure Apple will price everything but the 6-core single-CPU Mac Pro into the freakin' stratosphere..... So you can pay through the nose for a 16-core behemoth that has no blu-ray, no USB 3, a shoddy entry-level video card, with the option to add an AMD 6970 card for twice the retail pc-version's price!! Oh, and let's not forget the crappy standard hard drive they'll have in there that you'll need to yank out and repurpose for something that doesn't require speed...
Wow!!! I can hardlywait !!!!!
No thanks, Apple.
My excellently-priced 2008 Mac Pro is doing just fine....
Wow!!! I can hardlywait !!!!!
No thanks, Apple.
My excellently-priced 2008 Mac Pro is doing just fine....
Oh yeah, buy the crappy 400MHz for $1,599 and stick a dual 1.8GHz in later on down the road.
I'd gladly take a base Pro for $1,599 and stick a superpowerful-ultradeluxe processor in it at a later date.
Definitely selling my obsolete Mac Pro and buying the newest new one of the new ones. Jk. After a couple years of thunderbolt maybe...
Yeah, please keep it the same -- I just LOVE slicing my palms whenever I have to carry mine.
Are you nuts?
No PCIe Thunderbolt Cards Will Ever Exist
Nope. PCIe bus can't support Thunderbolt speed. Thunderbolt only works directly into the motherboard. This was explained in the original Thunderbolt briefing in February. Better return it for a refund and wait for the new ones.
Thunderbolt is connected to PCIe even though it is on the motherboard.
There is no official word from Intel concerning Thunderbolt PCIe cards. The issue is that TB includes DisplayPort so a plain PCIe card won't work for video. It's possible that there will be GPUs with Thunderbolt as that would provide video too.
I use After Effects, Cinema 4d, Nuke, Smoke, so I still love the MacOS environment.
Screw FCPX. Major Apple Fail.
Thunderbolt is connected to PCIe even though it is on the motherboard.
There is no official word from Intel concerning Thunderbolt PCIe cards. The issue is that TB includes DisplayPort so a plain PCIe card won't work for video. It's possible that there will be GPUs with Thunderbolt as that would provide video too.
Let's hope that TBolt without DisplayPort is possible (of course it's possible, I mean let's hope that it is "allowed").
You can bet money on NO USB 3 and I hope I loose that bet. Two things are clear. Apple hates Flash and Apple hates USB3.