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Well done for sticking with it. I'm glad you got sorted out.

I hope you get a top-end macbook. You deserve no less.

I've also done my share of repair, and no way would I hand a client's computer back in pieces (which I've done a couple of times :( ) unless I had already discussed with them the possible terminal state of the computer and obtained their clear consent.

One thing:

If the machine is entirely replaced (options b & c), there is no data transfer, nor is the original HDD returned.

I'm a bit surprised with this. I'd at least ask if the client had a recent back-up. If no backup, I'd try to get the HDD back to them (if the HDD is in working order.) or offer some other data retrieval option.

I'm glad every apple laptop at the company I work at is hooked to a Time Capsule, even if it's not perfect.
 
If the machine is entirely replaced (options b & c), there is no data transfer, nor is the original HDD returned.

I'm a bit surprised with this. I'd at least ask if the client had a recent back-up. If no backup, I'd try to get the HDD back to them (if the HDD is in working order.) or offer some other data retrieval option.

Maybe I should clarify. The no transfer/return is if the unit were replaced via a ship-the-old-one-back-first method. In-store, Apple will almost ALWAYS do a migration on the spot if possible, as that's a service they already provide to a new purchase. However, once the old one's gone back to a depot, then you can forget ever seeing the data or drive again if it is to be replaced altogether.
 
I'm a bit surprised with this. I'd at least ask if the client had a recent back-up. If no backup, I'd try to get the HDD back to them (if the HDD is in working order.) or offer some other data retrieval option.

I'm glad every apple laptop at the company I work at is hooked to a Time Capsule, even if it's not perfect.

Even though this is a special circumstance, Apple explicitly states in their service agreement that data is not covered. In fact, with my experience working at an authorized service center, we (rightfully so) charged people to back up their machine if we had to send it to Apple, as 50% of the ones we sent came back with a wiped drive (even the non HDD related repairs, like replacing RAM or whatever, as reinstalling the OS is typically the first thing they do, even if we told them exactly what the problem was). Even though it is Apple's policy, and Apple deleting the drive, customers would always blame us (but that's what stupid people do), so we started charging if they were too lazy to back up their data themselves, or were too lazy to read the warranty info.

Also, any major part that is replaced is property of Apple and they will not give it back for any reason unless maybe you want to pay the full price for it. They send them back to the original manufacturer and get them replaced/refurbished, so it's not worth it for Apple to just give the HDD's back.

I'm not trying to be mean, as I've been for the OP since this happened, but I'm just stating the facts.

I did always loved hearing, "Well what do you mean it's not covered under warranty? That's what I bought it for isn't it?"

"Uhh, well, sir. It doesn't cover any software related problems that can be fixed by reinstalling the operating system with the discs provided with each computer. Also, WE EXPLAINED THIS IN DETAIL WHEN YOU DROPPED OFF YOUR MACHINE!"

"Well that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard! I'm not paying"

"Apple reimburses us for warranty hardware repairs. With any software fix we do not get reimbursed from Apple, so we must charge for the time and effort gone into the repair, just like any service, sir."

Then, we'd tell them to call Apple. What was cool is that for some people, Apple would pay us so we could then refund our charge to the customer. They of course did not have to, nor did they do it to everyone, but Apple would still go out of their way (every now and then) to help a customer affected by their policy :p


Maybe I should clarify. The no transfer/return is if the unit were replaced via a ship-the-old-one-back-first method. In-store, Apple will almost ALWAYS do a migration on the spot if possible, as that's a service they already provide to a new purchase. However, once the old one's gone back to a depot, then you can forget ever seeing the data or drive again if it is to be replaced altogether.

In the three years I worked for an authorized center, of the times Apple replaced someone's computer with a new one or whenever we sent one off to Apple, the most I ever saw them do would be an archive and install (that would be on a repair, never saw them do a migration. Also, this doesn't mean they never have done it, just that I never saw it).

If MacXperts is getting the computer to give to you, then you can expect them not to transfer any data to the new machine at all. In fact, I'd fully expect them to hold so much animosity towards you that they would try to sabotage it as much as possible. I would highly recommend that you don't have the Xperts touch your new machine in any way. In fact, I would be weary if the factory sticker/seal has been removed/tampered with if it's coming from those incompetent dicks.
 
we (rightfully so) charged people to back up their machine

That's fine with me too. That's what I meant above by giving people options to get their data back. Data has value, and my time has value too. If your data is important, back it up yourself or pay me to do it.

It just seemed that even a paid backup wasn't possible. Thanks for the clarification.

If MacXperts is getting the computer to give to you, then you can expect them not to transfer any data to the new machine at all. In fact, I'd fully expect them to hold so much animosity towards you that they would try to sabotage it as much as possible. I would highly recommend that you don't have the Xperts touch your new machine in any way. In fact, I would be wary if the factory sticker/seal has been removed/tampered with if it's coming from those incompetent dicks.

Fully agree 100%. Check the seals very carefully. Check the box for any damage, any puncture marks, drop marks etc.
 
Just saw this thread and it's great it all worked out in the end! But that is disgusting how they treated you, and it's good they had to pay for it all in the end. I don't know if I would have been able to just walk out of there after they did that to a Macbook, but it was probably the best thing to do. You'll have to tell us what you get back.

Yes we all are waiting for the final out come of this story... :rolleyes:
 
MacXprts in Lawrence KS has been a great Mac Store for me

Wow,

This experience is the polar opposite of mine. I think the title of this thread explains the real issue. Apple denied the claim it sounds like, not MacXprts. If it's under warranty, I know they have to go by Apple's rules. One time a friend of mine had a problem with something not being covered by Apple after taking it to MacXprts. The person at MacXprts there was very nice and explained to her that MacXprts has every desire to get something working. Apple ships them the part and pays when it's under warranty. In other words, MacXprts stating it's water actually looses them money because then they don't get to do the repair. What they told her is to call Apple because only Apple can change Apple corporate policy, not MacXprts. So she took it to the Apple store in Leawood, and after 3 days of waiting and having to make all these genuis appointments, Apple told her to call Apple corporate. She did, Apple gave her a "cs code", she took it back to MacXprts and MacXprts fixed the problem.

Of course with any business, people make mistakes, but I've found MacXprts much easier to deal with because they live and work in Lawrence. Going to Kansas City, these people don't really have to worry about their reputation. You'll go to an Apple store because it's owned by Apple. Local Mac stores like MacXprts have to EARN your trust and work to make things right.

Based on my personal experience and that of friends, I'd highly recommend them in Lawrence. I think the person is upset, rightfully so, that Apple wouldn't authorize MacXprts to repair this. However, she's blaming the wrong entity and that's really unfair that a local business is given a bad name because of decisions made in Cupertino.

That's my 2 cents.
 
thats awesome that you got it fixed on their dime. I admit i got pissed reading your experience! I cannot fathom someone taking apart a laptop, then saying "so sad too bad!" Good thing you called apple and they took care of it! You should've gone in there and said "This will cost you $1200 :)" Ive never heard of macxperts, but if i ever see one (they are probably like the MacStore here in the PNW) i will avoid it at all costs, no pun intended, well maybe...
 
Blah Blah Blah... However, she's blaming the wrong entity and that's really unfair that a local business is given a bad name because of decisions made in Cupertino.

That's my 2 cents.

Sorry, but the OP clearly stated that MacXprts claimed water damage when there obviously was none. In addition to that, they dismantled the computer and did not reassemble it before returning it. They attempted to charge the OP to reassemble a still non-functional computer. Apple agreed with the OP and replaced the computer on MacXprts' dime.

Add all that together and one is forced to come to the conclusion that MacXprts screwed up royally. No doubt about it. And the fact that you registered today and made your first post to defend them makes me suspect that you are an employee of MacXprts.
 
Sorry, but the OP clearly stated that MacXprts claimed water damage when there obviously was none. In addition to that, they dismantled the computer and did not reassemble it before returning it. They attempted to charge the OP to reassemble a still non-functional computer. Apple agreed with the OP and replaced the computer on MacXprts' dime.

Add all that together and one is forced to come to the conclusion that MacXprts screwed up royally. No doubt about it. And the fact that you registered today and made your first post to defend them makes me suspect that you are an employee of MacXprts.

I googled something and this forum came up and I was surprised by the experience. Yes, I do know people at MacXprts and I registered to give this a local perspective. I live in Lawrence...check my IP. And check that the IP isn't of MacXprts.

They come to our User Group all the time, so this experience is way out of character for them. More than once they've explained the repair process to us. It's actually really complex and it's way cool they "lifted the veil" for us to let us know what really goes on behind the scenes. This is like the first bad story I heard about them. I was just checking for Apple blogs in Lawrence.

There are a few issues here

1) Water damage: none of us were there, we don't know. I agree based on the pics there doesn't appear to be water damage. The FACT is what did MacXprts have to gain by making that claim. They would need Apple approval and if Apple denied it, then how is that ever the service providers fault??? A third party provider can't make the decision, Apple does. MacXprts isn't claiming water damage, Apple is. That's like blaming the salesperson at the Apple store when your Mac crashes.

2) Reassembly: yeah, that doesn't make sense. Though I know when I took my iPhone into a company owned Apple store they showed me the tripped sensor and said my warranty was void and any additional work would be charged. Charging for reassembly would be crappy move an an epic FAIL. I can't figure out why he would be charged though for that. It takes like five minutes. However if someone were yelling at me because of Apple's decision, I might say pound sand. That was wrong and if 100% true, the technician refused to assemble it without charging $80, that's something that should be complained about and he needs a apology for.

3) Resolution: he complained to Apple and got them to approve the repair. That's completely consistent with what others have reported about MacXprts in this town. Apple denies a claim...they call Apple...Apple approves the claim. We've discussed the magic of CS codes before. When a genius or someone else says no, customer satisfaction can say yes.

Apple repairing it on the providers dime doesn't really make sense to me. I'm curious how he knows either way. I'd be surprised if Apple were to tell a customer "we're charging your provider for the repair" . Sorry that doesn't pass the sniff test, because how would the OP know that fact. MacXprts wouldn't say it and Apple is always cryptic about resolutions.


Come to our User Group picnic next week in Lawrence and let's hear both sides of this. Which ironically, again, is how I got on this forum.

My only beef with the OP is blaming a local business for a decision Apple made.
 
Come to our User Group picnic next week in Lawrence and let's hear both sides of this. Which ironically, again, is how I got on this forum.

My only beef with the OP is blaming a local business for a decision Apple made.


Well, I dont know why you have "beef" with the OP...?? He took his MB into an "authorized" apple store, and they told him that apple doesn't cover logicboard replacements. That is so ludacris. They said that BEFORE they opened up the computer (and wanted to make a quick $80 to re-assemble) and claimed there was rust on there...i do believe rust takes a while to form. That would mean A) water damage happened some time ago, and B) his computer would've been unusable for sometime.

I wonder if Apple would take away their ability to sell macs because of fausly representing apples' warranty and business practices. I understand people make mistakes and are fast to jump to conclusions... but atleast read apples' warranty guidelines...
 
At the risk of being flamed, I want to announce myself as the owner of the MacXprts store in Lawrence....as of May 1st of this year. I wanted to post here first to announce that the MacXprts store is under new ownership - mine (and my business partner, who, for the record, is NOT mrdsg, and mrdsg is not an employee either), and secondly to identify what *I* know about this situation.

As you can see by the date of the first post in this thread, this all happened before I took over the MacXprts location here in Lawrence. I became involved on my first day as store owner when the Apple rep called me and asked me questions about what we had seen. At that point, I had to query the previous owner and staff. Just for the record, this is the information I was given about what had transpired prior to the change in ownership: The computer was brought in for assessment and upon opening up the unit, there were distinct signs of water damage such as corrosion and rust on the screws and other metal points on the logic board. At that time, the tech sought advice from Apple on how to proceed (which I can confirm is the proper procedure). The tech was advised by Apple's service provider support staff that the repair was not approved due to accidental damage. The tech contacted the customer, who requested to have the unit back disassembled in order to take pictures to send to Apple (for the record, I would have offered to have the customer come in and take pictures before the unit was reassembled). The previous ownership did not at any time indicate to me that they had said "logic boards are not covered by Apple" or that there would be a charge to reassemble the computer. I do know the previous owner, and I really have a hard time believing that either of these things were said, (or at least said in the referenced context) but that is just my opinion, I was not there at the time, so I can't say with 100% certainty what did in fact happen.

What I do know with certainty is that as the new owner of the store, I spoke to Apple about the repair, discussed the history as I knew it, and was told that in the interest of making the customer happy, Apple was going to issue a customer service code to cover the repair. (They did NOT say that there was no liquid damage of signs of liquid damage, or indicate that the previous ownership's tech had been faulty in his judgment. In fact, the issuance of a CS code, from my understanding, is more likely to indicate that there WAS damage, but that Apple is overlooking or overruling it, or in some way making an exception to their typical warranty rules.) At that time, I was asked by Apple to reassemble the computer and send it in to an Apple repair depot, which I did on my dime (labor and shipping), because it was the right thing to do. (However, Apple did not charge us or the previous ownership (as far as I know) for the repair of the computer.) My business partner also apologized profusely to the customer for the poor experience with the previous ownership and asked what, if anything, WE could do to make things right. (For instance, I noticed that when the computer was brought to us to reassemble, there was a translucent orange Speck Brand case on the top half of the unit. I took it off before we mailed it in and kept it in our store to make sure the customer could get it back.) I don't know that there's anything that CAN be done at this point, but our reputation IS important to me, which I think is evidenced by my taking the time to post here in response to this situation.

I have no animosity towards the customer whatsoever and would most certainly NEVER sabotage a machine. If, in the future, I were ever to handle a situation badly with a customer, you better believe I would be doing absolutely EVERYTHING I possibly could to salvage the situation and the relationship. mrdsg was absolutely correct in pointing out that a local service center has to earn trust and make things right. That is absolutely what my partner and I want to do here in Lawrence.
 
There should be a store policy that the laptop be returned to the customer in the same condition (assembled) that it was in when it arrived, regardless of the customer's requests. With todays technology if the repair center claims water damage, they should take high res photos themselves and provide these for the customer.
 
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Well since icafelawrence filled us in it is more believable of what actually happened as a number of users asked the original poster "teamturbo" (including me) to keep us informed. The last post by him was May 2. This would tell a story in it's self. Thank you "icafelawrence" for the update. I am sure it also will bring back users that was turned away from you because of this...
 
At the risk of being flamed, I want to announce myself as the owner of the MacXprts store in Lawrence....as of May 1st of this year. I wanted to post here first to announce that the MacXprts store is under new ownership - mine (and my business partner, who, for the record, is NOT mrdsg, and mrdsg is not an employee either), and secondly to identify what *I* know about this situation.

For the record, I alerted the owners to the situation when I saw it because it was so out of character for MacXprts, but they couldn't share all the details due to privacy reasons.

As you can see ... The computer was brought in for assessment and upon opening up the unit, there were distinct signs of water damage such as corrosion and rust on the screws and other metal points on the logic board. At that time, the tech sought advice from Apple on how to proceed (which I can confirm is the proper procedure). The tech was advised by Apple's service provider support staff that the repair was not approved due to accidental damage.

Interesting how that differs from the OP's story. Also the pictures didn't include the screws. I also notice on the second picture what appears to be another Macbook sitting right beside it. While Tech's assessment may have been subjective, if in doubt, I suspect Apple would have requested shipping back to them.

The tech contacted the customer, who requested to have the unit back disassembled in order to take pictures to send to Apple (for the record, I would have offered to have the customer come in and take pictures before the unit was reassembled).

Again, that's consistent with OP's posting of the pictures and his "liar, liar" remarks. Sounds like the tech was doing what the customer wanted and not enough cya. Makes no sense after contacting Apple that he wouldn't put it back together.

What I do know with certainty is that as the new owner of the store, I spoke to Apple about the repair, discussed the history as I knew it, and was told that in the interest of making the customer happy, Apple was going to issue a customer service code to cover the repair. (They did NOT say that there was no liquid damage of signs of liquid damage, or indicate that the previous ownership's tech had been faulty in his judgment. In fact, the issuance of a CS code, from my understanding, is more likely to indicate that there WAS damage, but that Apple is overlooking or overruling it, or in some way making an exception to their typical warranty rules.) At that time, I was asked by Apple to reassemble the computer and send it in to an Apple repair depot, which I did on my dime (labor and shipping), because it was the right thing to do. (However, Apple did not charge us or the previous ownership (as far as I know) for the repair of the computer.)

Again, makes no sense that Apple would charge a repair center for a new computer. Even if they did, I can't imagine for liability reasons they'd ever tell the customer they charged the repair center for the repair. I wasn't there and I'm not taking sides. I've complained to Apple about repair centers and they have a policy of not discussing any sanctions taken against a repair center.

I don't know OP, but the fact he was so vehement in accusing MacXprts sounds very much like a setup. And the fact that OP got his way and got Apple to fix the computer, yet still continues to blame MacXprts, though the very title of the post clearly states he's upset at Apple speaks volumes.
 
Wow,

This experience is the polar opposite of mine. I think the title of this thread explains the real issue. Apple denied the claim it sounds like, not MacXprts. If it's under warranty, I know they have to go by Apple's rules. One time a friend of mine had a problem with something not being covered by Apple after taking it to MacXprts. The person at MacXprts there was very nice and explained to her that MacXprts has every desire to get something working. Apple ships them the part and pays when it's under warranty. In other words, MacXprts stating it's water actually looses them money because then they don't get to do the repair. What they told her is to call Apple because only Apple can change Apple corporate policy, not MacXprts. So she took it to the Apple store in Leawood, and after 3 days of waiting and having to make all these genuis appointments, Apple told her to call Apple corporate. She did, Apple gave her a "cs code", she took it back to MacXprts and MacXprts fixed the problem.

Of course with any business, people make mistakes, but I've found MacXprts much easier to deal with because they live and work in Lawrence. Going to Kansas City, these people don't really have to worry about their reputation. You'll go to an Apple store because it's owned by Apple. Local Mac stores like MacXprts have to EARN your trust and work to make things right.

Based on my personal experience and that of friends, I'd highly recommend them in Lawrence. I think the person is upset, rightfully so, that Apple wouldn't authorize MacXprts to repair this. However, she's blaming the wrong entity and that's really unfair that a local business is given a bad name because of decisions made in Cupertino.

That's my 2 cents.

You either did not read the whole thread, or you are automatically choosing to believe Macxperts because you've had good experiences with them in the past.

Macxperts denied warranty coverage, not Apple. Macxperts claimed the computer was “covered in a clear liquid and rust” when this is an obvious falsehood for anyone who decided to even glance at the photos the OP posted. It's not as if Apple directly inspected the computer, and Apple was NOT who fraudulently denied warranty coverage in the first place.

And then, after telling the customer the repair would NOT be covered, Macxperts decided to disassemble the computer and hold it ransom from the consumer. You’re right: local stores like Macxperts DO have to EARN trust and work to make things right. They did the polar opposite to this consumer. They lied to and attempted to defraud him, and it is mind boggling that you would come to their defense.

I'm disappointed at the continued attempts to assassinate the OP's character, even when just grasping at straws, both from the new store manager who admits that he was not involved and does not have the full story, and a 3rd party who claims they aren't an employee, but has close ties with Macxperts.

"Look, there's what appears to be another macbook sitting beside that disassembled Macbook Pro!" Really? Good eye. It's probably the 2nd Macbook on the Grassy Knoll the OP used to post this thread. As far as for the screws "conspicuously missing" from the photo, no part of the MBP hardware pictured has any rust or liquid on it. Do you mean to imply that all of the purported "liquid damage and rust" was confined to the screws?

Are you absolutely sure you’re just a consumer, and you don’t work for Macxperts?
 
I have problem with applecare too on new battery claim. They keep giving excuses when I have great applecare coverage.
 
Sorry to add onto the hijacking of the thread by the previous poster, but: batteries are consumable parts and if you don't meet the AppleCare specs for a defective (eligible for complimentary replacement) vs. depleted (ineligible) battery you don't get a battery. Under AppleCare coverage, any manufacturer's defect, from a bum hard drive to failing RAM modules, iSight component failure, video distortion, etc. is covered for parts and labor barring accidental damage or liquid spill.
 
The computer was brought in for assessment and upon opening up the unit, there were distinct signs of water damage such as corrosion and rust on the screws and other metal points on the logic board. At that time, the tech sought advice from Apple on how to proceed (which I can confirm is the proper procedure). The tech was advised by Apple's service provider support staff that the repair was not approved due to accidental damage. The tech contacted the customer, who requested to have the unit back disassembled in order to take pictures to send to Apple (for the record, I would have offered to have the customer come in and take pictures before the unit was reassembled). The previous ownership did not at any time indicate to me that they had said "logic boards are not covered by Apple" or that there would be a charge to reassemble the computer.

I only read up to this part. This is just insulting to my intelligence. I wanted the computer in parts? I was quoted $80 to have it put together. It was rusty? Hahah. Very funny.

As for the new store - I have no beef with you. I have no want to tarnish your reputation. I understand it's new management and I'm sure you're honest guys.

Also - clarification for the thread. My thread title says Apple denies warranty. This was during the first days when I actually believed Apple had denied the warranty, which it hadn't.
 
I only read up to this part. This is just insulting to my intelligence. I wanted the computer in parts? I was quoted $80 to have it put together. It was rusty? Hahah. Very funny.

Well, the new owner's just reporting what he was told by the previous owner. I'm sure it seemed a bit strange to him too.

As for the new store - I have no beef with you. I have no want to tarnish your reputation. I understand it's new management and I'm sure you're honest guys.

So is everything sorted out now - you're happy now?

(apart from your frustration over your wasted time, which I fully sympathise with - I've had laptop repair problems myself)

We can close this thread and move on with our lives?
 
Yes. The issue was resolved. I had my computer replaced as specified by Apple. I apologize for not updating you guys on the situation once I got the new computer. I thought the tread had died, but discussion picked back up.

What made me update this thread was the news on the home page of Macrumors about 3rd party service centers.

Also - I find it astounding that some individuals here actually came to the defense of MacXperts. Simply incredible. (The idiot who mentions the 2nd Macbook in the background - HTF do you think I was able to post online while my computer was in parts? A: I used my friend's Macbook)

Lastly - I would like to thank Macrumors board for letting me state my situation.


If life gives you a lemon, make lemonade. :)
 
I have problem with applecare too on new battery claim. They keep giving excuses when I have great applecare coverage.

Unless it was defective, then like someone said batteries are not covered. Thats like going to a dealership and trying to get new tires under warranty because you used yours.

Anyways, if this happened to me where they denied me warranty, then I would just go to an Apple store (Where I'd go to in the first place), now if they did that and then gave me my computer back in pieces.... Oh my I would of dropped a nuke on the place.
 
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