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I'm just going by what I've read. It'll be interesting when people have the laptops and can benchmark. I just find it disappointing that Apple customized their version of a 460 and made it a weaker card (or so it seems at this point). I wasn't hoping for a 470, but not surprised they didn't use it.
RX 460 is rated at <75W. This thing is rated <35W. If it manage to get better than half of the performance of RX 460, it is actually better in energy efficiency.
 
Slightly might not be a good choice of word when you have 20% less in compute power and 30% less in memory bandwidth, albeit having perhaps a 2x lower power cap ("<75W" -> 35W).

Both have the same bandwidth: 80GB/s, as they use the same memory. Polaris has much more efficient color compression, which means it can utilise the bandwidth better. The stock 965M has max theoretical 1.94 GFLOPS while the 460 Pro has 1.86 GFLOPS. Both numbers are of course theoretical peaks and therefore less indicative of real-world performance. Both GPUs are fairly good at utilising their resources in heterogeneous scenarios, but Polaris might have a slight edge here. I think it might be fairly close.
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I'm just going by what I've read. It'll be interesting when people have the laptops and can benchmark. I just find it disappointing that Apple customized their version of a 460 and made it a weaker card (or so it seems at this point). I wasn't hoping for a 470, but not surprised they didn't use it.

Well, it has 2 CUs more than the 460RX, so its actually the full Polaris 11 chip, as opposed to a cut down desktop 460 RX. BTW, the reason the 460 RX is cut down is probably because Apple is getting all the 'perfect' chips ;) Anyway, this will be aggressively binned chips with outstanding thermal characteristics, so they might very well offer performance close to the 460 RX at half the power draw. And it would be interesting how overclockable that card will be.
 
Both have the same bandwidth: 80GB/s, as they use the same memory. Polaris has much more efficient color compression, which means it can utilise the bandwidth better. The stock 965M has max theoretical 1.94 GFLOPS while the 460 Pro has 1.86 GFLOPS. Both numbers are of course theoretical peaks and therefore less indicative of real-world performance. Both GPUs are fairly good at utilising their resources in heterogeneous scenarios, but Polaris might have a slight edge here. I think it might be fairly close.
Comparing FLOPs and bandwidth works only for SKUs of a single vendor, and usually a similar architecture. There is a well known architectural gap between AMD's and Nvidia's offerings since Maxwell introduced, and it still exists despite AMD trying to narrow it.

965M being on par with the desktop RX 460 should tell you something.
 
Build yourself a Thunderbolt eGPU for around $500. This Radeon RX 470 eGPU I built recently works great in 10.12.1. AKiTiO has a Thunderbolt 3 enclosure which will be compatible with 2016 MacBook Pro.

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Build yourself a Thunderbolt eGPU for around $500. This Radeon RX 470 eGPU I built recently works great in 10.12.1. AKiTiO has a Thunderbolt 3 enclosure which will be compatible with 2016 MacBook Pro.[...]

If you need an eGPU to enjoy this machine, then you bought the wrong machine. Why not invest in a gaming computer and get something even better?
 
Build yourself a Thunderbolt eGPU for around $500. This Radeon RX 470 eGPU I built recently works great in 10.12.1. AKiTiO has a Thunderbolt 3 enclosure which will be compatible with 2016 MacBook Pro.

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Is it $500 including the GPU? Also, is that Ark that you're playing?

If you need an eGPU to enjoy this machine, then you bought the wrong machine. Why not invest in a gaming computer and get something even better?

Why? The MBP 13" Touch Bar is arguably more powerful than the Razer Blade Stealth and that gets praised for being a good gaming setup when paired with an eGPU. I don't think he was saying he needs an eGPU to enjoy the machine but being able to use an eGPU is a nice option to have.
 
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If you need an eGPU to enjoy this machine, then you bought the wrong machine. Why not invest in a gaming computer and get something even better?

I'm showing it's possible to do casual gaming through an eGPU with a Mac laptop. My gaming rig is an Alienware Area 51 with 3-way CrossFire RX 480.

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Is it $500 including the GPU? Also, is that Ark that you're playing?

Closer to $400 with my setup as shown including the GPU. I was running Unigine Valley benchmark.

AKiTiO Thunder2 - $180
Dell DA-2 220W PSU - $25
Sapphire RX 470 - $180
Misc connectors and supplies ≈ $30
 
I'm showing it's possible to do casual gaming through an eGPU with a Mac laptop. My gaming rig is an Alienware Area 51 with 3-way CrossFire RX 480.

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You lost me at Alienware. A proper gaming computer (rigs are out at sea) is built from scratch, built to unique experiences and is highly customizeable.

Why? The MBP 13" Touch Bar is arguably more powerful than the Razer Blade Stealth and that gets praised for being a good gaming setup when paired with an eGPU. I don't think he was saying he needs an eGPU to enjoy the machine but being able to use an eGPU is a nice option to have.

You want to buy a $1800 laptop for gaming and then add on $500 for an eGPU to properly game? Meaning you will spend in total $2300 to game?

Wow, you are more delusional than I thought and in all likelyhood have a money tree growing in your backyard.
 
You lost me at Alienware. A proper gaming computer (rigs are out at sea) is built from scratch, built to unique experiences and is highly customizeable.



You want to buy a $1800 laptop for gaming and then add on $500 for an eGPU to properly game? Meaning you will spend in total $2300 to game?

Wow, you are more delusional than I thought and in all likelyhood have a money tree growing in your backyard.

You're making an incredible amount of assumptions and blindly calling someone delusional is comical. I'm purchasing this MBP for many reasons other than gaming. It will be my daily driver for the most part.

I'm not a heavy gamer and when I do game it's typically not on a PC. However, if a game did come out that I wanted to give a shot I could make a capable gaming rig using an eGPU with my current setup for ~$500 opposed building an entirely new setup. Guess what? I could also use the power that eGPU provides for other work that would benefit from additional power.
 
On my opinion the big problem is this:
We know macbooks are not for gaming and they prefer focus on battery, noise, heat.... so they pick a cheaper and low power GPU, i am ok with this, but the thing is that they priced that low power GPU as it was a GTX 1070.
 
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On my opinion the big problem is this.
We know macbooks are not for gaming and they prefer focus on battery, noise, heat.... so they pick a cheaper and low power GPU, i am ok with this, but the thing is that they priced that low power GPU as it was a GTX 1070.
More like a 1080 since the Aorus X7 DT v6 is priced about the same as an upgraded MBP
 
You're making an incredible amount of assumptions and blindly calling someone delusional is comical. I'm purchasing this MBP for many reasons other than gaming. It will be my daily driver for the most part.

I'm not a heavy gamer and when I do game it's typically not on a PC. However, if a game did come out that I wanted to give a shot I could make a capable gaming rig using an eGPU with my current setup for ~$500 opposed building an entirely new setup. Guess what? I could also use the power that eGPU provides for other work that would benefit from additional power.

And it would still be called delusional. No "light" gamer spends $500 on a eGPU on a consumer laptop (specially one as expensive as MacBook). Rather they spend that cash towards a good tower that'll get them more performance for better price and pocket the rest in something else.

Efficient and elegant.
 
On another note, will I be able to play Civ 6 and Cities: Skylines fairly well on the base i5 with touch bar?
 
And it would still be called delusional. No "light" gamer spends $500 on a eGPU on a consumer laptop (specially one as expensive as MacBook). Rather they spend that cash towards a good tower that'll get them more performance for better price and pocket the rest in something else.

Efficient and elegant.
Any semi-serious gamer wouldn't get a Macbook Pro to game on anyway
 
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On another note, will I be able to play Civ 6 and Cities: Skylines fairly well on the base i5 with touch bar?
Should be fine with Iris 550, won't be at native res though. Apart from the Civ 6 port being rather unstable at the moment you should be able to run it at 1080p on Medium settings.
 
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