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I don't care for the Touch Bar, but I want a 15" laptop. I've been using Apple for many years and I can't seem to find another laptop with such great user experience and trackpad. Unfortunately, this means that I have to pay a premium price for a 15" when I'm not going to use half of the power, but so be it since the competition can't release a 15" laptop as good as Apple. It's definitely not good value, but I can afford, thus I'll have it even if it's not to do PRO stuff
 
Agree. This touch bar is the oddest in-between idea. Why they didn't just go for touchscreen is beyond me.

Because that will make the IPad redundant by losing product differeinciation and impact their bottom line. Even the apple sheep would question whythey have to pay so much for an ipad when they can get a touch screen capable apple laptop instead.

Apple doesn't care about what's good for its loyal consumers; instead focuses on how best it can stick it to them instead.
 
Because that will make the IPad redundant by losing product differeinciation and impact their bottom line. Even the apple sheep would question whythey have to pay so much for an ipad when they can get a touch screen capable apple laptop instead.

Apple doesn't care about what's good for its loyal consumers; instead focuses on how best it can stick it to them instead.
I actually disagree with this. Most of my friends who have touch display laptops don't/rarely if ever use the touch display. I think for a laptop the touch display is redundant because you need your hand on the keyboard which makes the situation awkward.
 
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People were expecting apple to magically make intel produce chips that fit the thin and light design idea. This has been there idea since the retina was introduced. Intel failed miserably. So apple did not do this or did not make it thicker or use chips that suck down more battery life. I see in the reviews already they are filtering with the battery life as is. So apple made the best of a crummy situation.

The revolution will come when they move to in house chip production. Till then people should just direct the noise to intel.

Wow. If only any other brands had such blind and loyal supporters - no accountability for apple at all but just blame Intel.
Why is it that Apple's MBP 15 inch are capped at 16 GIGs? BUT all other PC manufacturers offer 32 and 64 bit options on the same damn Intel processors??? That's an Apple's decision and not Intel's fault.

All other pc manufacturers with powerful laptops (mobile desktop replacements) options make do and impress with the same intel processors AND even better Intel Xeon quad processors. This is why Tech companies go with the Dell Precision and Lenovo P50 models.

I get the loyalty and blind faith, but there's got to be a point when even the sheep has to question it's master, am i right?
 
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Wow. If only any other brands had such blind and loyal supporters - no accountability for apple at all but just blame Intel.
Why is it that Apple's MBP 15 inch are capped at 16 GIGs? BUT all other PC manufacturers offer 32 and 64 bit options on the same damn Intel processors??? That's an Apple's decision and not Intel's fault.

All other pc manufacturers with powerful laptops (mobile desktop replacements) options make do and impress with the same intel processors AND even better Intel Xeon quad processors. This is why Tech companies go with the Dell Precision and Lenovo P50 models.

I get the loyalty and blind faith, but there's got to be a point when even the sheep has to question it's master, am i right?
Apple is being held accountable even for problems that are not the result of Apple. I think Apple should've used one of its own AXXX chips to add the additional power people claimed they needed. The other thing i'd note is that most people complaining don't own or haven't used the new MBP and are only parroting what they've heard. The vast majority of the people I've found have loved their 2016 MBPs despite what the tech press and the media have been saying. About the only thing the tech press and actual users agree on is the lack of battery life.

Other companies laptops have these features that are either barely used or novelty at best and then you learn later on that users have real problems with the products that the tech press ignores.
 
16 GB RAM to start out on the 13", as well as a bump in screen resolution, to justify the high cost of the upgrade. A MagSafe USB-C port, leaving in a USB-A port (or at the very least include a USB-C to USB-A adapter in the box) and SD card slot. As for Touch Bar vs. Touchscreen, the lack of a touchscreen on a Mac doesn't bother me, and I never expected Apple to introduce one.

Agreed. How about offering options for 32Gig and higher Ram options similar to PC manufacturers like Dell and lenovo.
Why is it they can't offer that option? I mean, enough is enough; for all the cutting edge changes they expect their customers to drastically adopt, we as consumers can't expect to have the industry norm of RAM options greater than 16Gigs? I mean, for the price of MBP 15, we can get 32 Gig Ram on mobile Workstation laptops such as Dell Precision and Lenovo P50 for examples. These are true "mobile Desktop replacements" as they are powerful laptops and cheaper.
Is that too much to ask from Apple? It's been 2 years and more....time to catch up to the industry people! And stop giving Apple a pass each time - it's your $$$$$ and not their's!
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Remove the touchbar, have a sd card slot, allow 32GB of ram and none of the BS about battery life, and perhaps cut 300-400 from the price.

Thank you. Finally, a logical response here. All other manufacturers have been offering this option for years (on the same Intel platforms) but not Apple even with the hefty price tag for MBPs. It's mind boggling really and it's 2017 already!! Time to wake up Apple and deliver.
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Consumer use? So you think all I am going to be doing on this laptop is Facebook? Or are you one of those that say "these are not pro machines" which is getting very very old.
Such users don't sound like the ones that need a professional-grade machine. Why would they spend the amount of money professional-grade hardware costs when they could buy consumer-grade computers at half that price?

OTOH, if the class of machines which were formerly professional-grade are being downgraded for general consumer applications, perhaps you're suggesting Apple is going to introduce a new line of laptops catering to professionals? The MacBook ProPlus or XmacBook, perhaps?

Because "such users" have no options when it comes to Apple's line of laptops. On the other hand, the MBP 15 is hardly the standard for "professional grade". You're capped at 16 Gig RAM!!!!!! after shellling out more than $2,4000!!!!
It would be nice for more 15 inch MBP options perhaps an entry level one too
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I honestly don't think we're going to see this feature replicated on competitor systems. They already have full touch screens which are just much more useful and an operating system (Windows 10) that's already optimised to use touch.

Apple fell behind here with their laser focus on iOS which has left OS X without being touch optimised, they're at-least 3 years behind Microsoft in this regard. Their competitors don't have any need to add a touch bar as a result.

Lenovo had something similar back in 2014 on the X1 Carbon laptops....just saying
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I actually disagree with this. Most of my friends who have touch display laptops don't/rarely if ever use the touch display. I think for a laptop the touch display is redundant because you need your hand on the keyboard which makes the situation awkward.

That's not what the market is saying. There is a demand for the option for touch screen laptops which is why all other manufactuerers offer that LCD option on premium PC laptops. They are standard on some Lower to mid level PC laptios
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Apple is being held accountable even for problems that are not the result of Apple. I think Apple should've used one of its own AXXX chips to add the additional power people claimed they needed. The other thing i'd note is that most people complaining don't own or haven't used the new MBP and are only parroting what they've heard. The vast majority of the people I've found have loved their 2016 MBPs despite what the tech press and the media have been saying. About the only thing the tech press and actual users agree on is the lack of battery life.

Other companies laptops have these features that are either barely used or novelty at best and then you learn later on that users have real problems with the products that the tech press ignores.

You don't think Apple would have used "their own AXXX chips" if it meant it would cut production costs and save money? Or if they had a better solution and processor of their own compared to Intel's? So who's to blame here? Apple for not having capable indigenous processors or PC manufactures who use Intel processors yet able to offer the higher end Intel chip to work with their design and configurations? Or the fact Apple opted to limit Intel processor options along with other limitations such as 16 Gig Ram cap since 2013?

So they decided to use Intel. Once you make that decision, that's no excuse for Apple to stop being competitive when it comes to Processor and RAM options. How is it every other PC manufacturers offer more powerful Intel processors including Xeon and RAM capability but not Apple?? That's the question here..and yes, they should be held accountable and be asked to explain their reasoning rather than have its loyal customers blame everyone else but Apple itself.
 
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Lenovo had something similar back in 2014 on the X1 Carbon laptops....just saying

I just checked the page to see what the 2016 model has, guess what it has? A touch screen and no touch bar of any kind.

The rest of the industry already moved on from this idea, Apple is stuck having to do it because macOS isn't touch optimised :(
 
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The touch bar is a complete gimmick, and distracting to boot. Combined with everything else, it makes the 2016 15" MBs something of an overpriced not-funny joke.
 
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Agreed. How about offering options for 32Gig and higher Ram options similar to PC manufacturers like Dell and lenovo.
Why is it they can't offer that option? I mean, enough is enough; for all the cutting edge changes they expect their customers to drastically adopt, we as consumers can't expect to have the industry norm of RAM options greater than 16Gigs? I mean, for the price of MBP 15, we can get 32 Gig Ram on mobile Workstation laptops such as Dell Precision and Lenovo P50 for examples. These are true "mobile Desktop replacements" as they are powerful laptops and cheaper.
Is that too much to ask from Apple? It's been 2 years and more....time to catch up to the industry people! And stop giving Apple a pass each time - it's your $$$$$ and not their's!
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Thank you. Finally, a logical response here. All other manufacturers have been offering this option for years (on the same Intel platforms) but not Apple even with the hefty price tag for MBPs. It's mind boggling really and it's 2017 already!! Time to wake up Apple and deliver.
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Because "such users" have no options when it comes to Apple's line of laptops. On the other hand, the MBP 15 is hardly the standard for "professional grade". You're capped at 16 Gig RAM!!!!!! after shellling out more than $2,4000!!!!
It would be nice for more 15 inch MBP options perhaps an entry level one too
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Lenovo had something similar back in 2014 on the X1 Carbon laptops....just saying
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That's not what the market is saying. There is a demand for the option for touch screen laptops which is why all other manufactuerers offer that LCD option on premium PC laptops. They are standard on some Lower to mid level PC laptios
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You don't think Apple would have used "their own AXXX chips" if it meant it would cut production costs and save money? Or if they had a better solution and processor of their own compared to Intel's? So who's to blame here? Apple for not having capable indigenous processors or PC manufactures who use Intel processors yet able to offer the higher end Intel chip to work with their design and configurations? Or the fact Apple opted to limit Intel processor options along with other limitations such as 16 Gig Ram cap since 2013?

So they decided to use Intel. Once you make that decision, that's no excuse for Apple to stop being competitive when it comes to Processor and RAM options. How is it every other PC manufacturers offer more powerful Intel processors including Xeon and RAM capability but not Apple?? That's the question here..and yes, they should be held accountable and be asked to explain their reasoning rather than have its loyal customers blame everyone else but Apple itself.
First of all, Apple doesn't make a mobile desktop. They've never advertised their line as a mobile desktop. You are angry at them for not making what you want them to make when they've never offered up such a solution. I'm sure everyone will have the 32GB option available now that its has been announced. However, Intel's new Kaby lake chip for MBPs is still a very lackluster upgrade in terms of performance and is likely to add to the cost. Do I need 32GB that badly right now? I wouldn't buy it if they offered it up right now. It's just more money going out. I don't mind closing a few tabs and a few apps. However, I've never even come close to using 16GB of ram on anything for any reason.

Secondly, I don't know what the market is saying. Apple is saying they are selling MacBook Pros in record numbers. So by that logic the market is telling them they need to make more 2016 MacBook Pros touch bar and all. Let's stop with trying to predict what the markets are doing before we have some numbers in front of us. You are just assuming things.
 
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Useful? Not really, yet. Gimmicky? Currently, "feels" that way. But not for long.

Having having used my tbMBP for an entire week, I tried using the tb as much as possible and see a lot of potential.

In the long run, it's my believe that the tb will be hailed as ingenious. Here's my theory. Starting with replacing the physical FN keys where people already use it for changing brightness, volume, etc with a tb...it's simply extending application shortcuts/most frequently used options. As it gets fully adapted, Apple will use this same principle and apply it to the entire keyboard. The entire keyboard itself will turn into a "touch"board.

This "touch"board will change to applicable app controls depending on what's "active" on the screen. Taking VLC as an example. If it were playing a movie, the touchboard will have all VLC controls visually displayed. And if the user decides to switch over to Excel, depending on what area is selected, the touchboard will display either Excel specific controls or a full keyboard for input.

The challenges are aplenty. For apps that are function rich and requiring a fair amount of typing, the touchboard has to be plenty smart to quickly switch.

I can imagine a world where the physical keyboard will no longer exist.
 
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Useful? Not really, yet. Gimmicky? Currently, "feels" that way. But not for long.

Having having used my tbMBP for an entire week, I tried using the tb as much as possible and see a lot of potential.

In the long run, it's my believe that the tb will be hailed as ingenious. Here's my theory. Starting with replacing the physical FN keys where people already use it for changing brightness, volume, etc with a tb...it's simply extending application shortcuts/most frequently used options. As it gets fully adapted, Apple will use this same principle and apply it to the entire keyboard. The entire keyboard itself will turn into a "touch"board.

This "touch"board will change to applicable app controls depending on what's "active" on the screen. Taking VLC as an example. If it were playing a movie, the touchboard will have all VLC controls visually displayed. And if the user decides to switch over to Excel, depending on what area is selected, the touchboard will display either Excel specific controls or a full keyboard for input.

The challenges are aplenty. For apps that are function rich and requiring a fair amount of typing, the touchboard has to be plenty smart to quickly switch.

I can imagine a world where the physical keyboard will no longer exist.

My theory is that your theory will not materialise.

If not for the very simple reason that it's a pain typing on a flat surface. Save a sudden cladogenesis, Homo sapiens will not likely prefer typing on a flat surface over physical keys.

Your idea of a touch board is basically a glorified touch bar, not exactly something as revolutionary as you made it out to be. Why you think a touch board is superior to a full-on touchscreen is a mystery to me. And it'd be a challenge to try to fit that onto the limited real estate of a laptop because as I said, you'd want to have physical keys.
 
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