I wish I had your 2015. My 2015 gets hot and loud. I even replaced the TIM with the best stuff out there and cleaned all the fans during the pandemic. It was marginally better. I've been waiting for the redesign, but I've been very close to offloading the 2015 for an M1 in order to be rid of the heat and noise. I'm glad I waited, but I'm definitely happy to put my 2015 behind me.
When I first saw your comment I thought "another armchair engineer". Then... I looked at their graphic closer and I feel the same way as you. If it does work this way, I'd love to hear how because its counterintuitive.
For the past several years, every new 15 inch MacBook Pro and then the 16 inch MBP featured updated thermal ?
True, but from what I understand there was throttling. So I hope the new cooling system is indeed as good as they claim.
Really, how strange! I literally use mine on my lap in my boxer shorts on a daily basis. Mine is the 15" btw, is yours too? Or the 13"? Maybe that could be the difference? Also, I am rarely doing much that stresses the processor, and yeah, when I do, the fans do kick in, it's not physics defying or anything. It just runs cool and quiet for the vast majority of things I use it for. I did have problems with Chrome causing it to fire up, but then Chrome did an update that lowered it's CPU usage and that fixed that.
If that were true, then at least some of the Windows laptops would have gotten the cooling right, but all the ones I hear about (pun intended) have trouble keeping the CPU and GPU cool and suffer the same problem. It's pretty clear it's Intel's fault. Yes Apple could have some of the blame, but they all have a problem even if it sits on a desk with a fan blowing on it.
You don't need dark mode but you do need a dark wallpaper to make the menu bar dark with white lettering.
There isn't a single Windows laptop maker that makes a decent laptop, regardless of Intel. They are simply all hopeless. These companies do not have a single visionary leader amongst them. Unfortunately, the climb to CEO requires competitive traits that far out compete the traits actually required to have the correct design visions.
In System Preferences, change the desktop background to a solid light color. Then in General preferences, change between light and dark modes. Notice that while the dock changes color, the menu bar remains light even when set to "dark" mode. While in dark mode, click on any menu and notice the light colored menu bar with dark menus. The proper solution should be for Apple to make the menu bar color consistent with the light/dark mode setting just like the menus and dock, not telling people they are using the "wrong" desktop background.
In his defence, he didn’t appear to be questioning your honesty, as he quoted and only seemed to be responding to your assertion that Apple was more to blame than Intel for the Intel Core thermals. I think everyone believed you when you said that you surf the net in your underwear because why would anyone lie about that? If you really want to show off the effectiveness of your MacBook thermals, though, you should run a 4K Handbrake encode of a 2 hour movie and redo the photo when “90% completed” is visible on the screen. That would be even better proof of great cooling, though it does amaze me and seems ridiculous just how much CPU processing power seems to be needed for simply browsing the internet these days.
You do make a good argument and some good points. I am not saying that my laptop doesn't run pretty hot if I did run the test you suggest, but I'd suspect that iPads and M1 laptops would run pretty hot with those jobs too. And sure, not as hot as the Intel, and again, I iterate, I'm not saying the Intels aren't hotter, I'm just saying that a lot of the blame is gimped cooling of the late model Intel MBP/MBA's.
No, I don’t have a late model Intel MacBook Pro, but I do have a 2018 Air and the cooling is insufficient (which became even more obvious when I got an M1 model.) From everything I’ve seen, it definitely did sound like the cooling was insufficient for at the very least the original i9 MB Pro, and it appears completely ironic that they seem to be improving the cooling for a CPU that surely needs it less. I’m not saying I’m unhappy they are doing it, just saying it would have been nice to have it earlier. That said, I would guess they likely have been improving it based on all that previous experience and would have used it for the new models if they were Intel and we should all be happy they didn’t just think “we don’t need this anymore with our new cooler chips!”
I have a maxed out 15" 2015. It doesn't take much for it to get hot and have the fans going. I also have a work issued hp with an i7. It's a great windows laptop, but it also gets hot with not a lot of stress with loud fans going. I'm super excited to finally have a laptop that won't be a heater or make so much noise.
The guys repeated shock at a fan that is known to be for venting just the case is just kind of strange, or maybe it is an old video before this was a fairly well known fact. As I said, the cooling is insufficient for the Intel version of the Air, so I thought I was agreeing with you. Linus trashing a heat sink isn’t one of his better moments, but he definitely knows how to get hits. I didn’t watch the whole way though, though… is there a twist at the end?
You have a very very kind description of this cooling design. As an engineer, I am nothing but appalled, and it is so incompetent, that it clearly has to be deliberate, there's no other explanation.
I didn’t think “crappy” was being particularly kind, let alone very very, but okay. I would say it is more of a realization that they obviously wanted to do a completely fanless design with a low heat cpu and realized they couldn’t scrap it completely. Again, the M1 version made me a believer for the first time in 10 years, and using it has made me see what they had at least been trying for with the earlier model. I actually prefer completely fanless now, as I don’t have to think about whether I’m blocking a vent. My HP Pavilion 16.1 has air intakes on the bottom (speaking of wonderful engineering), so I’m always worried I will block the airflow, and it heats up quickly at the best of times.
I'm fine with fanless, as long as you understand that the fanless M1 MBA's throttle performance as it heats up. Which is perfectly fine if you're not wanting the full performance of the M1 (and most people don't need it), but then they may as well have put a lower power chip in it. Also, the fanless design is not at all the same as the thermal design they used for the Intel laptops. With the M1, they added big heat pads and so on to help dissipate the heat without the fan. The design is chalk and cheese.
Funny how this poster is upset that you don’t like the aesthetics of the MacBook.
I would put it down to manufacturing defects. It's quite unlikely that Apple engineered something like that as designed.
I haven’t hard tested M1 throttling myself because it hasn’t been noticeable, but a search indicated 15% after 10 minutes sustained. So I’m happy they didn’t put a lower power chip in, as 10 minutes sustained load doesn’t occur on my XCode builds (small projects), so would only affect me for video renders, and 85% of higher power after 10 minutes in those cases is still better than a lower power cpu at 100% in all other uses. Have you looked at the teardowns? That big heat pad is just a spreader to where the fan used to be located. Not exactly a massive redesign, just a retrofit for the original, existing space.
