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Sorry but that is just un-true. When you have a hard drive running at 5400 rpm like apple, thats the fastest you can move data off of it. Loading times include getting the drive up to speed and physically moving the reading needle to specific points on the disk. When you have SSD you don't have to worry about any of this. The information is instantly there, making the clocking speeds on the CPU actually usable. I guarantee if you go to your local apple store right now and ask for any 2 MBPs that are the exact same except for SSD drive and run any comparison, the SSD model will run AT LEAST 2x faster.

See these screen shots. I'm running an HB conversion as we speak. I hope you are right because it would save me a ton of dough but everything I've read and heard says it's the CPU bottlenecking.
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Do you guys think we'll see the Core i3 on the 13"?
 
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Do you guys think we'll see the Core i3 on the 13"?

I'm assuming so. It will give the 13in a performance bump and still let it get better battery life with out stepping on the 15in toes at all.
 
Sorry but that is just un-true. When you have a hard drive running at 5400 rpm like apple, thats the fastest you can move data off of it. Loading times include getting the drive up to speed and physically moving the reading needle to specific points on the disk. When you have SSD you don't have to worry about any of this. The information is instantly there, making the clocking speeds on the CPU actually usable. I guarantee if you go to your local apple store right now and ask for any 2 MBPs that are the exact same except for SSD drive and run any comparison, the SSD model will run AT LEAST 2x faster.

See these screen shots. I'm running an HB conversion as we speak. I hope you are right because it would save me a ton of dough but everything I've read and heard says it's the CPU bottlenecking.
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I have also found that the bottle neck is often @ the CPU for any sort of conversion (especially video stuff in handbrake). Hard drive really affects opening/closing software and files, but once they're open and being worked on, the RAM, CPU and gpu are taking the brunt of the load. Hard drive speeds drastically affect times required to complete tasks, but not anywhere near 2x in many situations.
 
Be careful throwing words like "illegal" around.

It is not criminal or illegal to offer money for photos of an unreleased prototype. It may be against Apple's wishes, but it is most definitely NOT illegal.

It may not be illegal to pay for pictures, but it sure is illegal to offer money for an actual device. As they haven't been released yet, anyone who would have it would have to have stolen it, and the company who was buying it would clearly know it to be stolen.

And just because it's not illegal to buy and sell those pics, doesn't mean they won't both get sued for all they're worth.

EDIT: Why am I/you talking about iPads???
 
I have also found that the bottle neck is often @ the CPU for any sort of conversion (especially video stuff in handbrake). Hard drive really affects opening/closing software and files, but once they're open and being worked on, the RAM, CPU and gpu are taking the brunt of the load. Hard drive speeds drastically affect times required to complete tasks, but not anywhere near 2x in many situations.

Yeah---we've taken this thread off topic but it's the CPU. Checked the HB forums...the SSD will make almost zero (or zero) difference. It's all about the CPU.
 
I just simply don't agree with this. Try converting something high quality from MKV to MP4 in handbrake. I have a 2.4ghz MB unibody with 6GB of ram and PLENTY of space on my HD. I'm not bottlenecking at the HD level or the RAM level....it's ALL about the CPU.

This is the reason, why I used the word "most". In this case you are probably right, yes.
 
All I want for Christmas (or the 24th of February)...

Quite excited now. I want my 13" with:
- SSD as standard for quick start-up and such
- Large HDD in place of optical drive (I've decided I can live with a USB DVD drive)
- Discrete graphics, not integrated
- LightPeak, or some form of it
- Thinner and lighter
- No more Core 2 Duos. i3 at minimum, please, with a preference to i5
- I like the look of the black MBP concepts that some people have thrown together. Black with silver accents (keys, edges) would be nice

Now, Santa Jobs, grant me my wishlist! :D
 
Yeah---we've taken this thread off topic but it's the CPU. Checked the HB forums...the SSD will make almost zero (or zero) difference. It's all about the CPU.

I agree. For what I do at home and at work, if I consider the total time I am working at my computers, the primary HDD bottle neck = boot up time, and a few moments when launching a program. After that, bottleneck is the OS, CPU, the damn cloud, etc. I find my 13" MBP is pretty darn good with coming out of sleep mode, and typically resyncing with my cable modem is the real bottle neck.

Some friends at work have installed a hybrid notebook HDD, and claim the bootup time is very good, and they have 500 GB of disk space. At a fraction of the cost of an SSD at much less capacity. A compromise?

If I had the money for a 256 GB SSD like some state, I wouldn't be messing around with a 13" MBP....
 
The MacBook Pro is Apple's flagship computer.

If Apple had completely redesigned it there would be an event IMO.


True. But there is the issue of how big of an event. Renting a huge hall to hold tons of media is costly. Also you are competing with everyone else that is trying to get that location. And since Apple doesn't want it leaked that they booked a spot, they would wait until the last possible minute. So it could be taken.

Thus part of the reasons why they seem to be shifting to a small, local press only, event on campus that is live streamed to the world. Something they can announce only a day or two ahead of time since the press in attendance is generally within driving distance.

As for what could be announced. Frankly I have no issue with no optical drive since I only use my laptop on set with a blu-ray burner anyway. Almost never use the built in drive. My only issue is the empty PCI slot. I had to get a 17 inch the last go around because they put a SD in the 15 inch. And that 17 is clunky. Thin it out or put the PCI back in the 15 and I'll be much happier. We have some old machines to replace and I can shove my current machine on our script guy (who doesn't need the PCI anyway) and get a new machine.


Be careful throwing words like "illegal" around.

It is not criminal or illegal to offer money for photos of an unreleased prototype. It may be against Apple's wishes, but it is most definitely NOT illegal.

Under Cali law, enticing a breach of contract is in fact illegal. And that is exactly what Valleywag tried to do.

And let us not forget that that is likely what put Gawker on the DA's hit list so when they pulled the iphone stunt (which was a felony criminal act under Cali's stolen goods laws), the DA stepped in to charge the site even before Apple had to do anything
 
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Core i5

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Do you guys think we'll see the Core i3 on the 13"?

It may be a Core i5 instead. If you look at the Sandy Bridge mobile product chart, there's only one i3 model. I doubt that would end up in a MacBook Pro, maybe a budget MacBook model.

What's interesting about Sandy Bridge is that there is a wide range of processors that could cause confusion. Most Core i7's are quad-core, some are not. Core i5's can be had in 17W, 25W, 35W, and 45W. There's also a sort of "budget" i5 line. With all of that I'm hoping that the 13" MBP gets the bump it deserves:

Core i5 2.1 GHz (3.0/2.7 single/dual core turbo speeds, 25W TDP)
1440 x 900 resolution, nVidia GeForce 525M or higher
64 GB SSD + separate 320/500 GB HD
< 4 lbs.
 
He may not be in a coma but he incredibly ill. You really think he is going to get up on stage and talk for at least an hour about the new MBP? Why would they get Cook to take the speech as well? Cook won't have any where near the punch that Jobbs will pack so why have a second class presentation? Personally i'd rather not see one at all.

Well said!
 
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I woke up this morning and checked the BB SKU #'s to see if there was any changes and they seem to have been pulled off the site. Not sure exactly what this means but I don't like it. I used to like seeing at least the SKU # bringing up a search result. Now it's like it was never there.
 
He may not be in a coma but he incredibly ill. You really think he is going to get up on stage and talk for at least an hour about the new MBP? Why would they get Cook to take the speech as well? Cook won't have any where near the punch that Jobbs will pack so why have a second class presentation? Personally i'd rather not see one at all.

Well said!
To the guy who disagreed with this brilliant point think about it logically - would you honestly want jobs having to go to the effort of presenting ect, when the main thing he should be focusing on is his recovery and therapy!
 
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