Hmm. It's almost like Phil was telling the truth!
Nah, that couldn't be it; because a hundred "experts" on the interwebs obviously know more than Apple's R&D team, right?
Gimme a break!
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New MacBook Pros Max Out at 16GB RAM Due to Battery Life Concerns
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Nah, that couldn't be it; because a hundred "experts" on the interwebs obviously know more than Apple's R&D team, right?
Gimme a break!
Good, because everybody's taking shots at it.
At 16gb? They should be fairly equal with ddr4 being slightly and unnoticeably faster. At 32gb, it should have been obvious but Apple smartly decided not to offer 32gb of ddr3.
The thing is just as the post you quoted says, LPDDR4, which Sky Lake supports, runs at a lower power anyway, so if Apple wasn't so greedy they could've used LPDDR4 and easily put in 32gb of ram while saving even more power than the cheaper configuration they chose. The only reason for the ram limitation is more profit now and in the future when these machines will hit their ram limits sooner than the 4 year rMBP which was available at 16gb at launch.
Despite featuring more energy efficient Skylake processors, faster SSDs, better GPUs, and new thermal architecture, Apple's revamped MacBook Pros continue to max out at 16GB RAM.
Many customers have been wondering why Apple didn't bump up the maximum RAM to 32GB, including MacRumors reader David, who emailed Apple to ask and got an explanation from marketing chief Phil Schiller. According to Schiller, more than 16GB RAM would consume too much power and have a negative impact on battery life.
While most average customers likely couldn't utilize 32GB RAM, the MacBook Pro is aimed at professionals who need more computing power and who may occasionally feel the constraints of being limited to 16GB RAM. There will undoubtedly be customers who are disappointed that Apple has not offered a choice between better performance and battery life.
For the 2016 MacBook Pro, Apple was able to reach "all-day battery life," which equates to 10 hours of wireless web use or iTunes movie playback. That's an hour improvement over the previous generation in the 15-inch machine, and a small step back in the 13-inch machine.
While none of Apple's portable machines offer more than 16GB RAM, 32GB of RAM is a high-end custom upgrade option in the 27-inch iMac.
Article Link: New MacBook Pros Max Out at 16GB RAM Due to Battery Life Concerns
Sigh.
16GB Max ram and another crappy butterfly KB pretty much makes this a no-buy. Not for this kind of money.
I'll keep using my 2012 until it dies, then grab a refurb 2015 maybe?
Why is Apple forcing these freakishly thin *netbooks* on Pro users??? At least give people a choice? Sigh.
apple.com/feedback
Well, some of us would actually want to use a portable computer for "full-fledged filmmaking" while traveling... I travel probably 4-5 times per year and more often than not, I need to keep the wheels turning on projects even if I'm away for a week or so. I basically set up a remote studio with a 13" Cintiq and a very powerful laptop. That's why I would want the CAPABILITY of adding additional memory that a "pro" model is supposed to offer. I would be willing to pay more for the top end portable "pro" model. I'm not gonna lug an Imac or Mac Pro in my carry on every time I fly somewhere. That's ridiculous.
All we ask is for the OPTION of expandability. Thats it. What's the problem?
Ah..... now it all makes sense. This is the first post Jobs computer from Apple. The futures so bright, i gotta wear night vision goggles.
https://9to5mac.com/2016/10/26/2016-macbook-pro-comment/
https://9to5mac.com/2016/10/26/2016-macbook-pro-comment/
My guess is that we will stop buying macs and start buying machines from companies that live and die on the strength of their laptop lines. I like macs and MacOS but mostly because it gets out of the way and let me work. I'm not sure who the target buyers of the Macbook line is anymore but it's clear it's no longer developers. I think most of us are OK with that. We'll just move on and adapt, which we do every day anyway.
I don't really need portability because I'm using a big 88-key weighted Kurzweil keyboard.
One of the 2012 Mini's (i7/2.3/16GB) has two internal SSDs and works headless as a VSL https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Products VEP6 slave via Ethernet. The main 2012 Mini (i7, 2.6, 16GB) has one internal SSD and is Thunderbolted to a BMD MultiDock II with 3 SSDs for recording in Pro Tools 6 (and the VSL , local sample streaming, and a huge Lightroom library. I've only rarely hit swap, but I'd like the cushion in the headless VSL machine.
If I had the cash, I'd buy a second BMD Multidock and take the SSD's out of all the machines to keep them all a wee bit cooler. I keep the machines clean with a photo blower and a vacuum. Suggestions?
...And has HALF the battery life, go Dell!!!
http://www.trustedreviews.com/dell-xps-15-review-performance-and-battery-life-page-2
At this point, I think the best thing Apple should do since they're not interested anymore in making machines for pros, is to get with some select PC manufacturers like HP, Dell, whatever... and license MacOS to them. Let them build the high end machines that Apple isn't interested in anymore.
I suspect the real problem is that more RAM would have required a bigger logic board or more expensive RAM chips. Lets face it the people that really need more that 16 GB already understand the power implications.
I guess it's intels fault but my 2012 i7 3720QM benches faster than the 6700HQ in this machine.
I'm so glad I picked up the referb when I did. Last great MBP: legacy and TB ports, DvdR, long battery, upgradable Ram and HD (I'm at the 16GB limit but what's different now?). I have a thunderbolt dock for home, multiple dispplays, but can still plug in an SD card or USB stick when I'm away from my desk. I don't game so the discrete graphics are plenty good for OpenGL can work. Fly throughs of complex archicad models are smooth and the fan only comes on when doing a cinema 4d render.
Apple can stuff it with this new model...
I'm so glad I picked up the referb when I did. Last great MBP: legacy and TB ports, DvdR, long battery, upgradable Ram and HD (I'm at the 16GB limit but what's different now?). I have a thunderbolt dock for home, multiple dispplays, but can still plug in an SD card or USB stick when I'm away from my desk. I don't game so the discrete graphics are plenty good for OpenGL can work. Fly throughs of complex archicad models are smooth and the fan only comes on when doing a cinema 4d render.
Apple can stuff it with this new model...
Dear Phil, when last did you speak to a professional user? If I have several multi layer texture files open, together with a heavy poly scene in Maya while rendering 2k frames I will eat through 16gb quite happily. My minimum working memory footprint is 24gb. That's not counting having mail and Firefox open.
Similarly, two or three heavy BIM models in ArchiCAD, with the usual slew of apps will happily chew 20+ gigs of ram.
Give us 32 gb of ram and let us choose how we use our machines.
(or don't, I'm not buying one in anycase)
Similarly, two or three heavy BIM models in ArchiCAD, with the usual slew of apps will happily chew 20+ gigs of ram.
Give us 32 gb of ram and let us choose how we use our machines.
(or don't, I'm not buying one in anycase)
The first thing I looked for on the Apple Online Store Page were the upgrades, I got the config up to $3,500 before I realized there were NO RAM options.
When was the last time an Apple Laptop had no RAM options?
I've built a configuration like this...but on Intel's Skull Canyon NUC
32 GB (2x16 GB), 2400 MHz, DDR4, CL14 SODIMM, 1.2V, 260-pin RAM came for 185 dollars (VAT included).