Maybe I'm a bit late to the convo, but you were designing computer hard/software in the 70's?
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New MacBook Pros Max Out at 16GB RAM Due to Battery Life Concerns
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Maybe I'm a bit late to the convo, but you were designing computer hard/software in the 70's?
You know what the answer to that is ? STOP FREAKING MAKING IT THINNER
THIS!!!! Thinner ≠ Better! Better = Better!
What does the statement "RAM that macOS really doesn't need" even mean. Right now I have 16GB of ram with 2GB of swap used and 2GB of compressed memory thats with me closing programs to reduce ram usage. But I guess macOS doesn't really need anymore ram.
99.9% of the time I don't need 10 hours of battery life. I can count on my hands the times that I have needed needed it.
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Why would I buy a mac pro when I want a laptop? They don't have to invent a new type of ram to fit in the laptop. It already exists. . .
The experience of having to carry 55 adaptors, and paying $500 more so you DON'T get a $19 extension cord. The experience of not having MagSafe, and having antiquated hardware specs with ridiculous artificial RAM limits.
Sigh....ok:
Other laptops already have the option for 32GB RAM. Of course there are software limits that can be placed on RAM usage, that computer code is decades old.
The Mac Pro hasn't been really updated in 5 years.... so they don't have you covered, unless by covered you mean they have you screwed. Honestly, you'd be better off building a Hackingtosh with far superior hardware than buying a current Mac Pro.
It's been a while since I explored and tried it. Everything I found was that the 2010 17" would not boot to OSX with 16GB installed.
I'll try looking around again for firmware updates that might address it. I sure could use a bit more RAM.
I doubt a Pro rendering 4k video will be running off the battery for their entire work-cycle. What about Virtual Machines?
Stupid justification - Windows laptops can be configured to up to 64GB RAM.
This must be another act of COURAGE.
Stupid justification - Windows laptops can be configured to up to 64GB RAM.
This must be another act of COURAGE.
I don't disagree, just saying the apple response really started a TON of conversation in the wrong direction.
Remember the last gen wasn't thick enough to support a stack of memory either. I'm not saying they shouldn't do it, it's just the opposite direction of where they have been headed for a long time.
I'd like them to bring the 17 back and give us upgradable ram and regular upgradable nvme ssd.
THat's nice of you calling them 'graphics cards'... I wouldn't even call them that, more like 'adequately to browse the internet cards'.
Still the talk about power usage haha. It's for sure not power usage people. It's motherboard space and ddr3 chips are 1gb max each.
I wish apple would comment again and clear this up.
THERES NO SPACE FOR THE CHIPS!!!
I wish apple would comment again and clear this up.
THERES NO SPACE FOR THE CHIPS!!!
Still the talk about power usage haha. It's for sure not power usage people. It's motherboard space and ddr3 chips are 1gb max each.
I wish apple would comment again and clear this up.
THERES NO SPACE FOR THE CHIPS!!!
MAKE THE COMPUTER THICKER!!!
Just to give a small defense for the indefensible; the battery life being referred to might be SLEEP battery life, where everything else is powered down and only the RAM needs to remain powered. That could see a drastic reduction when going from 16GB to 32GB, and since Apple prides itself on having laptops wake up quickly they probably don't want to move over to using Safe Sleep sooner.
the processor (which includes the memory controller) supports up to 64GB. Intel has had laptop chips that support 32 since at least 2010. Apple has been using those chips. what it ideally requires is 4 RAM slots to keep RAM costs down. and I guess a bigger battery, to make Apple happy. something that is no problem to do on the full sized, port enabled, "professional" laptop that Apple wont make for us any more.
Wow!!
I am really quite speechless with that reason, don't think I've ever heard more BS in my life? Seriously, and even if their was one shred of truth in it, if you weren't so utterly pointlessly ridiculously obsessively addicted to making everything thinner then a piece of paper, you could actually put a bigger battery in it and have 32GB Ram...
But it's pure BS and is more marketing spin to cover the price gouging from the computer department now.
I am really quite speechless with that reason, don't think I've ever heard more BS in my life? Seriously, and even if their was one shred of truth in it, if you weren't so utterly pointlessly ridiculously obsessively addicted to making everything thinner then a piece of paper, you could actually put a bigger battery in it and have 32GB Ram...
But it's pure BS and is more marketing spin to cover the price gouging from the computer department now.
"Pro" is a word that appeals to executives, professional managerial tiers, and small business owners who can write it all off. There are a LOT more of them than there are production people needing top-notch tech. Executives also like what they own to have something special, and it usually isn't about specs. Thin and gorgeous turns heads. And if it does sexy things when you finger it, everyone will line up to give her a whirl. It's primal marketing at its best.
I agree that the 32MB should have been an option. I agree all the soldering down is about planned obsolescence and profit margins. However, when you look at the numbers -- Apple simply doesn't have the economies of scale to produce customizable high-end machines at an affordable price. Look at the portion of their profit that comes from computers. HP, Lenovo, and Dell all produce and sell more machines than Apple by more than 2-1. And what percentage of Apple's sales do you imagine are Mac Book Pros? Worse: computer sales worldwide are down, and Apple's products have better longevity -- meaning they will have to project even worse sales going forward unless they grab different markets.
Apple's iOS products have introduced a blend of Technology and Beauty that have educated the global palate in ways the old Macs could not. It doesn't need creative professionals who see the beauty in what Apple does, anymore. The days when Apple was aiming itself at high-end creative professionals are over. Now it wants the numbers, and it's doing what it has always done best: selling beauty. Say what you want, Windows has never been sexy. Especially if that's what you see all day at work.
My conclusion is simply that they are going for the OTHER people who call themselves "pro." People who have kids in school with MacBooks want something sexier and more expensive by comparison. No, they don't have the techlust of the "pros" participating in this forum. They will never bump against those limits. But they have good jobs, nice toys, and Apple has whet their appetite for more. Because that's what those people want. More.
A spec bump with the same casing would have been a complete failure in that strategy. Will it work? I dunno if it matters.
Has anyone realized the world is going bankrupt?
I agree that the 32MB should have been an option. I agree all the soldering down is about planned obsolescence and profit margins. However, when you look at the numbers -- Apple simply doesn't have the economies of scale to produce customizable high-end machines at an affordable price. Look at the portion of their profit that comes from computers. HP, Lenovo, and Dell all produce and sell more machines than Apple by more than 2-1. And what percentage of Apple's sales do you imagine are Mac Book Pros? Worse: computer sales worldwide are down, and Apple's products have better longevity -- meaning they will have to project even worse sales going forward unless they grab different markets.
Apple's iOS products have introduced a blend of Technology and Beauty that have educated the global palate in ways the old Macs could not. It doesn't need creative professionals who see the beauty in what Apple does, anymore. The days when Apple was aiming itself at high-end creative professionals are over. Now it wants the numbers, and it's doing what it has always done best: selling beauty. Say what you want, Windows has never been sexy. Especially if that's what you see all day at work.
My conclusion is simply that they are going for the OTHER people who call themselves "pro." People who have kids in school with MacBooks want something sexier and more expensive by comparison. No, they don't have the techlust of the "pros" participating in this forum. They will never bump against those limits. But they have good jobs, nice toys, and Apple has whet their appetite for more. Because that's what those people want. More.
A spec bump with the same casing would have been a complete failure in that strategy. Will it work? I dunno if it matters.
Has anyone realized the world is going bankrupt?
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for a graphics, design and motion video compositing station, 64GB is now a minimum. anyone working with less than that is compromising their performance. RAM is ever cheaper and expectations are ever higher. why limit what is possible to save a couple few hundred dollars. the trash can Mac Pro, for this reason, was obsolete almost out of the gate. that machine should have come with 8 RAM slots and supported at least 128GB of RAM. something which Dell and HP have been offering for some time now. actually, something Apple used to offer, a dual processor 2010 Mac Pro was good for 128GB RAM.
if you want to defend Apple by saying this is a notebook (what Apple now officially refers to it as) and not a workstation, you are right. but that doesn't fit the heritage of Apple's laptop offerings. we just wanted the latest version of the machine Apple used to make.