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"The company has also internally discussed the idea of giving its watches satellite features, which could make sense for a future version of the new more rugged Apple Watch Pro."
 
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You're acting like a short generation isn't possible, there is no rule Apple can't update a machine that's been out for less than 12 months.
They can do that and have in the past, but with the M* Pro, I think we’re more likely to see the opposite: a new revision every ~18 months.
 
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These machines already offer more than enough performance for me personally. Now, what I would like to see is Face ID and OLED-displays, which we know is coming at some point.
 
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You're acting like a short generation isn't possible, there is no rule Apple can't update a machine that's been out for less than 12 months.
exactly...very few times Apple went this way...we know Apple scenario with the first "retina ipad" and after 5-6 months the ipad S model
Everyone with the first retina was making a big PR issue to Apple
But again, Apple can release the 3nm in December 2023, way after others
 
These machines already offer more than enough performance for me personally. Now, what I would like to see is Face ID and OLED-displays, which we know is coming at some point.
more than enough performance is not enough for me, for us that are counting every minutes saved in our projects :D
Enough will be when every project are done in 1 second...so..never
 
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They're not gonna release a 3nm chip under the name of M2....
i didnt even said M2 in that sentence...but i dont care about the marketing name...they can call it SoC 333...for me what it represents and what it can do means the most
 
ARM recently introduced hardware-based real-time ray tracing capabilities with its Immortalis-G715 design. Hopefully Apple will follow.
3D graphics/rendering has always been Apple Silicon's weak point. This could possibly help Apple with that weakness in the M1 Pro/Max/Ultra and make it a viable option for anyone working on 3D graphics or gaming.
 
Two things…
First, you don't need to be Kreskin to grok that Apple is working on the successor to the M1 MBP Pros. They've been doing that since about, oh, 4 months before the M1 shipped. Or more. It kinda amazes me how folks don't seem to understand how computer engineering works. Apple makes these things… entirely… they have the ability, in house, to fab prototype boards AND prototype wafers… they've been running M2 since before the M1 shipped. (At least some of their folks have been, "secrecy" and all.) And, there really shouldn't be a need to mod the chassis yet. Even with M3/3nm, I don't see any great change to be made in chassis, there just isn't much necessary left.
Second, I think—"IMHO"—it is fairly important for Apple to keep a cadence in releasing these M- chips. They need to show that they're keeping out ahead of Intel/AMD, or the entire thing becomes a farce. Yes, the M1 was a HUGE leap forward in performance… but it also shipped 18+ months/a year ago (for the Pro/Max)… Intel/AMD have not been standing still. Apple cannot fall behind… they can't even stand still! If they fall behind Intel/AMD (like they did after the PowerPC switch), it won't be good. And the viewpoint that "well, speed is less important than power consumption/heat" I don't think entirely holds water, and is pretty much directly contradicted by Apple's PR messaging (which is that Apple is providing BOTH). If Apple sits on releasing the M2 Pro/Max, and doesn't show that they've gotten their legs under them—are able to revise these chips quickly, on a similar cycle as Intel—it would effectively look like Apple is admitting that the "complaint" against Intel not being able to deliver in a timely manner, as needed by Apple for their product line ambition, was somewhat wrong… because Apple isn't delivering on a year-over-year cycle either.

I've stated it before, but I think Apple is working internally to get the "cart" back behind the "horse"; the M1 was effectively a muscled up A- series chip, that then got subsequently bulked up for the M1 Pro/Max/Ultra. That's not how you want to design your chips… you want to design your "leaps" first, and then back-port. That's the way to make money, because you're always skating to where the puck is going… rather than just expecting (read: praying) you're going to end up where the puck ends up. (And that's exactly what Intel got lazy and did… and it cost them.) I think Apple is really working on the M3 Max/Pro/Ultra core and fab'ing right now… that's where they're focused internally. The M2 Pro/Max/Ultra is still a 5nm afterthought. And it is possible that they are doing the business calculation of "can we just stretch the M1 Pro/Max out until 3nm is ready and then jump directly to that??", but I hope not. Again, IMHO, cadence is important here: showing everyone you're on a cycle, that you can meet your schedule, and that consumers can rightly expect performance improvement on a rational timeframe. 18 months to 24 months per bump is just a bit too long, we've been so Pavlov-trained for a 1-year cycle… and Apple holds much of the blame for that!
 
Another unpopular opinion: do we really need yearly (or shorter) upgrade cycles? Why not biennially? If the improvements are truly significant ("revolutionary" even), then do not be beholden to timelines, but despite their name we all know these are primarily consumer devices.
 
And yet still no imminent sign of an M2/M2Pro mac mini. I would have thought that would have come out by now for sure.
Well, I still hold out hope for the October event or thereabouts. The earlier predictions were for an M2 Mac mini alongside the M2 MacBook Air, and then for an M2 Mac mini release in the fall.

As for M2 Pro, who knows if that will even be released.
 
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Another unpopular opinion: do we really need yearly (or shorter) upgrade cycles? Why not biennially? If the improvements are truly significant ("revolutionary" even), then do not be beholden to timelines, but despite their name we all know these are primarily consumer devices.

People are on different upgrade cycles so even as popular as the M1 family 14" and 16" have been, I expect there are a fair number of folks still on Intel MacBook Pros and offering them a new model with even more performance could be what gets them to switch to Apple Silicon if they feel comfortable/ready to make the move.
 
the 3nm M chips are not "well into development", they are done, ready for volume production ...
And why would Apple redesign the 14/16 MBPs? they're just a year "old" ...
 
I think apple will continue the same architecture from the family m2 / m2 pro, etc if m2 is 5nm then m2pro will be 5nm, i think it's easy for apple to continue the 5nm instead of develop 3nm for a version of m2. I think 3nm will be for M3 family, let's see. I'm waiting for the 3nm transition to buy.
 
Another unpopular opinion: do we really need yearly (or shorter) upgrade cycles? Why not biennially? If the improvements are truly significant ("revolutionary" even), then do not be beholden to timelines, but despite their name we all know these are primarily consumer devices.
There was a time when Apple consistently updated its Mac lineup every 9-10 months. When Intel started flagging that ended.
 
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There was a time when Apple consistently updated its Mac lineup every 9-10 months. When Intel started flagging that ended.
Not that Intel was blameless but Apple also didn’t update devices every time there was a new chip available. At the beginning of Intel based devices they did and got the first ones, but then the last few years they would release a chip with improvements that was compatible but for some reason Apple chose to skip it. So then delays seems to extend longer than necessary.
 
You're acting like a short generation isn't possible, there is no rule Apple can't update a machine that's been out for less than 12 months.

In fact they do it all the time, usually to the products I buy. Look no further than the 2020 MacBook Air. But that was the M1, you say? No, they released an Intel version 7 months before the switch to ARM, in the same year. Still annoys me to hear people say the 2020 MBA was the best laptop they ever released. Especially when I was reading that on the noticeably not that good Intel version.

It used to be about the only thing they wouldn't do this to is the iPhone, but they started doing it even to that if you count releasing better colors mid-cycle.
 
I'm hearing rumors about mac mini pro but I'm waiting for mac mini m2. I wonder if that is due sometime this year?
 
Now, what I would like to see is Face ID... which we know is coming at some point.
Unlikely. Keep in mind that Face ID would actually be no more convenient than Touch ID, because in order to authorise its use (for example, a payment) the user must still press a button in order to confirm they are actively in control of the authorisation.

If anything Touch ID is more convenient because the user must choose whether or not to place their finger on the button sensor, which combines both the authorisation and the confirmation in a single action.
 
Not that Intel was blameless but Apple also didn’t update devices every time there was a new chip available. At the beginning of Intel based devices they did and got the first ones, but then the last few years they would release a chip with improvements that was compatible but for some reason Apple chose to skip it. So then delays seems to extend longer than necessary.
True, however, Apple designs their products years in advance to meet a TDP roadmap that Intel didn't always meet. Apple probably felt stuck at certain points & said screw it, "we're skipping this CPU" because they were too stubborn to increase product thickness & battery size to accommodate less efficient CPUs than were promised. Apple must have felt those compromises were regressive & would negatively effect the customer's expectations & perceptions of their industrial designs.
 
Let's he honest they won't need much development as it's literally a chip swap, just adjust any power requirements, the case design and screen with bitch will remain exactly the same. And by the looks of it the cooling design works well, don't think the MB Pro's thermal throttle do they?
Maybe they'll add WiFi 6E too?
 
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