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New MacBook with thunderbolt and LED Cienima

Guy Mancuso said:
Honestly if Apple pulled that trick and eliminated 3rd party monitors they would screw themselves to no end. Trust me many working photographers and video folks are NOT using Apple monitors. We are using NEC, Eizo and several others that are far better. I use a NEC 30 wide gamut.

End of day we will be just plugging our monitors into the back of a external Tbolt drive at the end of the chain. The External will be one wire to laptop.
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Huh?
What trick?

TB is backwards compatible with MiniDisplayPort.
Just because they add a TB port or 2 to the monitor doesn't mean it won't still work when simply plugged in via MiniDisplayPort....which is what it is right now.

I'm not sure I'm seeing what you're worried about?
 
Guy Mancuso said:
Correct the Tbolt chain.

How this will work folks if you have Tbolt external drives lets say a LaCie 2tb drive that will directly connect to the Tbolt connection on your laptop. The monitor will plug into the other port on the LaCie. Now if you have more devices than they would be in the middle of all that but monitor will close the chain at the end. It's a lot like firewire and CF card readers which only have one port so they have to be at the end
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Guys. This is one *option*.

Apple is not going to require people to always have their monitor be the "last thing plugged in".
That would drive user nuts and it's unnecessary.

Bet your bottom dollar that the Cinema Displays will see an update with TB ports (obviously at least one for connecting to MBP's).
 
87am said:
I might be wrong, but I don't think you would be able to simply plug in the current CD at the end of a TB daisy chain. I believe it would be required to have a thunderbolt chip added to it for it to be compatible with such a set up.
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Yes it has to be a TB compatible external drive for example. Not just any external it has to be TB ready. Hope I read that right.

BTW TBolt supplies power too, so some devices there will be no need for power. Now we will have to see how this works out and what devices can run without power. There was a video from Intel that may help explain a lot of this tech.
 
I wonder how this might adversely affect display quality if the display is behind a bunch of devices now..
 
Having the monitor at the end sounds fine practice, but the cinema display has a very special custom cable that fans out just enough at the end to go into the side of the newer laptops.

So plugging the display port connection into a hard drive with a pass though TB somewhere else on the desk will be a stretch.....literally.
 
turbineseaplane said:
Guys. This is one *option*.

Apple is not going to require people to always have their monitor be the "last thing plugged in".
That would drive user nuts and it's unnecessary.

Bet your bottom dollar that the Cinema Displays will see an update with TB ports (obviously at least one for connecting to MBP's).
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Not saying they will not add it in the future but I seriously doubt it. The question is why would it matter and they are also reporting they will make a hub which eliminates any need to put it in a monitor. Just plug 3 monitors into a hub a couple external up to 6 devices like a USB hub. Not sure why it would drive users nuts. I would rather my monitor NOT connect to other devices. Thats more cables coming from the monitor.

Guess we will have to see how this all shakes out since the announcement of it is new we just don't know yet what will and will not work in total.
 
Guy Mancuso said:
Not saying they will not add it in the future but I seriously doubt it. The question is why would it matter and they are also reporting they will make a hub which eliminates any need to put it in a monitor. Just plug 3 monitors into a hub a couple external up to 6 devices like a USB hub. Not sure why it would drive users nuts. I would rather my monitor NOT connect to other devices. Thats more cables coming from the monitior.
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Really no point in arguing about it.
The monitor will always be a hub, as USB isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

TB ports *will* come to the monitor.
Anyways.
On to other threads.

Cheers all.
 
I agree. My issue today is I have a NEC 30 inch with this damn display adapter which I have to plug directly into the laptop with a USB for the power. What a ugly solution and PITA. Worse I lose a USB in the deal.

Love for that to go somewhere else for sure
 
Guy Mancuso said:
Yes it has to be a TB compatible external drive for example. Not just any external it has to be TB ready. Hope I read that right.

BTW TBolt supplies power too, so some devices there will be no need for power. Now we will have to see how this works out and what devices can run without power. There was a video from Intel that may help explain a lot of this tech.
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I should be more specific. Say I have a new thunderbolt enabled MBP. I have it connected through TB to a (yet to be released) external drive that supports TB. Then I connect the CURRENT cinema display into that drive. Do we know for a fact that the monitor will work? I was thinking it will not because the CD would need a TB chip, even if its at the end of the chain. I figured that the display data would need to be "decoded" by a thunderbolt chip at this point.
 
87am said:
I should be more specific. Say I have a new thunderbolt enabled MBP. I have it connected through TB to a (yet to be released) external drive that supports TB. Then I connect the CURRENT cinema display into that drive. Do we know for a fact that the monitor will work? I was thinking it will not because the CD would need a TB chip, even if its at the end of the chain. I figured that the display data would need to be "decoded" by a thunderbolt chip at this point.
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Yes it will work. The Intel demo shows just that.
 
The Cinema display works with TB right now.

I would like a 24-inch also but Apple likes to keep their product line pared down. The high res on the 27" display means I am continually adjusting font size in order to be able to read anything.

DHagan4755 said:
I wish they would offer a smaller LED cinema display. 27-inch is too big. The 24-inch was perfect. Why they discontinued it is beyond me. That said, I think Apple will be able to revise the LED Cinema display and get rid of the USB cable since that part of the tech can be rolled into Thunderbolt, and offer additional Thunderbolt ports on the back of the display as well as keeping the USB there as well.
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Guy Mancuso said:
Monitors will always be the end of the daisy chain on Tbolt so it will not matter. Not sure they will use Tbolt connections from the monitors. From what I have read monitor will be the closed end of the loop or last in the chain
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This is simply not true. It would only be a choice that the manufacturer opts to not provide a pass-thru TB port on their monitors. TB offers 2 channels of data and there is no reason why the display must be last. IF the display offers the 2 ports, it can absolutely do it. It actually would make sense for it to have one due to the fact that the power for the display could send a fresh 10w of power down the line for another "bus" powered device. Seeing as how many displays act as powered usb hubs nowadays, i think its quite likely.

-z
 
Right, this is the point people are missing. TB is two channels, 10GB in each direction for a total of 20GB.

zcast said:
This is simply not true. It would only be a choice that the manufacturer opts to not provide a pass-thru TB port on their monitors. TB offers 2 channels of data and there is no reason why the display must be last. IF the display offers the 2 ports, it can absolutely do it.
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87am said:
I might be wrong, but I don't think you would be able to simply plug in the current CD at the end of a TB daisy chain. I believe it would be required to have a thunderbolt chip added to it for it to be compatible with such a set up.
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you would be wrong.

they did a demo of a TB drive array, and then at the other end, they had a 27" CD.

That's exactly how it is supposed to work.
 
"Thunderbolt has a graphics pipe and a data pipe. The graphics pipe is usable for current displays. However, the displays can't be daisy chained because of #1) No ports and #2) there's no data pipe with the current monitors.

In short, half of thunderbolt was made to support the miniDisplay connection. That's why older monitors with MiniDisplay connections already work with Thunderbolt - it was designed that way."

I found that quote on the Apple forum. So, I can assume that you can connect the monitor into the TB socket on the mbp, but if you want to use TB for anything else, you should not be using the monitor. Is this correct?
 
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