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Let's be clear here: this upper space is NOT an "extended screen area", right? The notch cut's into the regular screen resolution, right? The Finder configuration option therefore cut's away display space and will downscale the full screen app, is it?
No, the display is 74 pixels bigger than before. The notch lives where the bezel used to be and the screen on either side of the notch is entirely additional compared to the older models.
 
Plain and simple hideous. And as I normally cover it up with gaffatape it will look even worse.

But what do I care, I can switch to an ARM based computer as I need to be bale to run virtual machines (x86) which is not possible on these things.

ummm….super funny and true!
what a gafftape over the notch look even worse?
The gafftape looks different? :))

…and this…
I cannot begin to fathom why people cover their MacBook webcams with tape, for so many reasons.

1) The camera cannot physically activate without turning on the LED. It just can’t. If the camera has power, the LED has power.

2) If someone has so thoroughly owned your computer that they can spy on you through your webcam, then they already have total access to your system and you’re screwed anyway, so worrying that they’re going to catch you picking your nose while they riffle through every file on your system seems a bit hysterical to me.

3) How do you disable the microphones? Or do you just take extra care to never say anything sensitive within earshot of your MacBook?

It’s all quite silly, isn’t it?
 
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all laptops have camera..so you are in minority here..so companies dont cares about the minority
Actually, a few of the high-end, expensive Asus Zephyrus models have no cam at all, and the reviewers always ding them for it.

But those are primarily gaming machines, and Asus’ reasoning seems to be that anyone who is serious about streaming will have their own high-quality cam anyway.

But especially in this new age of remote work and Zoom meetings I can’t imagine anyone selling a business laptop without a camera.
 
Not really. Menu bar is a usable space in which software companies put the menu categories. There is no such thing as extra space, just a black brick in the middle of everything.
It gives you more useable space for displaying content below the menu bar than you’ve ever had on a Mac before without hiding the menu bar.

That’s the literal definition of extra space.
 
Not really. Menu bar is a usable space in which software companies put the menu categories. There is no such thing as extra space, just a black brick in the middle of everything.
It is both. What percentage of the time is something there? Also, Apple already posted it just moves it to the other side in those super unlikely events. But for the 98% of the time, when something is not there, it is wasted. Getting it back is extra space because you get the entire menu bar’s worth of 74 pixels back of your screen 100% of the time, in every app, always.
 
3) How do you disable the microphones? Or do you just take extra care to never say anything sensitive within earshot of your MacBook?

It’s all quite silly, isn’t it?

Exactly.

I never understood why people take so much care to cover their cameras with tape... but leave the microphone untouched.

Let's say I wanted to hack a CEO's laptop. Spying, espionage, James Bond stuff. But I already know what the CEO looks like... so I don't need to see his webcam.

But I'd LOVE to hear what he says in his office. Secret conversations and whatnot. That's the real prize. Voice!

It's the same reason phone conversations get tapped and recorded... but hardly anyone hacks security cameras.

:p
 
It’s far too wide for what it contains. Either they dropped Face ID late in the design, or they want it in future and don’t want to have a bigger notch on a future machine that’s supposed to be ‘better.’

Either way, it’s a poor compromise. The Photoshop menu bar barely fits.

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There is no such thing as extra space, just a black brick in the middle of everything.
Yep, there is such thing as extra space. When what it used to be a thick bezel leaves room for more display (which is the case with these new laptops) that extended part is EXTRA, That could have been a dead bezel and I am pretty sure, same people would still be complaining about it.
I think Apple could have made it much smaller to host just the camera, but they have plans for face ID with bunch of sensors, and it wouldn't make much sense if they started with a small notch just to make it larger the following year.
 
Let’s try this a different way? Maybe?

The useable space below the menu bar is the same as the size and aspect ratio of the entire screen on previous Macs.

It’s like having the whole screen available for content with the menu bar tucked out of the way, except it’s still there.

How are people not understanding this?
 
Not really. Menu bar is a usable space in which software companies put the menu categories. There is no such thing as extra space, just a black brick in the middle of everything.
Wrong. No notch means bezels and that means menu bar is now in the 16:10 screen area therefore you lose actual screen space. You have to look at the notch as 'additional screen'.
 
It’s far too wide for what it contains. Either they dropped Face ID late in the design, or they want it in future and don’t want to have a bigger notch on a future machine that’s supposed to be ‘better.’

Either way, it’s a poor compromise. The Photoshop menu bar barely fits.

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I believe the issue with FaceID is that the components are too thick to fit in the very thin MacBook Pro display. They might be able to eventually shrink the tech, but that is a ways out.
 
It’s far too wide for what it contains. Either they dropped Face ID late in the design, or they want it in future and don’t want to have a bigger notch on a future machine that’s supposed to be ‘better.’

Either way, it’s a poor compromise. The Photoshop menu bar barely fits.

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Also consider this is supposed to be the 16” that’s pictured so the menu items will absolutely get bounced to the other side on the 14”
 
“Come to terms”? Gimme a break! Enough with the fake sincerity over something that’s far from warranting this grave-sounding phrase.
I wish the dreaded notch was the worst thing I’d have to “come to terms with” on any given day.

“Oh no! They gave us extra screen real estate for displaying content below the menu bar! I can’t! I just can’t!” <faints>
 
I believe the issue with FaceID is that the components are too thick to fit in the very thin MacBook Pro display. They might be able to eventually shrink the tech, but that is a ways out.
Sure, that makes sense - but it also reinforces my point that the present compromise is larger than it needs to be just to make sure a future machine with Face ID doesn’t look worse by comparison.
 
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