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The HD 3850 is 55nm.

I don't understand why people are so quickly ruling it out, especially for the 17".

Besides, with this hybird technology thingamy, battery life can not only be preserved while on the go, but bettered over the current MBPs.

I don't understand why the 3850 isn't considered the MOST likely choice given all that.
 
One reason why I think they will stick with nvidia - CUDA... they've already announced that Snow Leopard will have some kind of OS-level implementation of CUDA (aka OpenCL or whatever), so it wouldn't really make sense for them to start adopting ATI (which lacks CUDA support) in new products at this point...

Which also leads me to believe that at some point Apple will go 100% nvidia... how else could they realistically expect OpenCL/CUDA in Snow Leopard to work?

"Hey we have this fancy new feature that uses the power of nvidia GPUs, but our flagship notebooks have ATI GPUs" just doesn't make sense.

OpenCL is --> not <-- CUDA. Please get a clue. I hope I put enough emphasis on not.
 
all the graphics cards in macbook pros do what they were intended to do very nicely, they were never intended to game!!!!

So it's an accident my MacBook Pro runs Team Fortress 2, Bioshock and Mass Effect at high settings really well?

One of the reasons I bought this computer was the separate graphics chip so that I could play games.
 
So it's an accident my MacBook Pro runs Team Fortress 2, Bioshock and Mass Effect at high settings really well?

One of the reasons I bought this computer was the separate graphics chip so that I could play games.

So? MPB still doesn't primary aim at gaming.
Though that doesn't say it's a damn powerful machine.
 
The HD 3850 is 55nm.

I don't understand why people are so quickly ruling it out, especially for the 17".
It's too hot (as far as we know).

Besides, with this hybird technology thingamy, battery life can not only be preserved while on the go, but bettered over the current MBPs.
That's a good point. But Apple might still not use it because they would look at heat and battery life at load.

I don't understand why the 3850 isn't considered the MOST likely choice given all that.
We're staying on the safe side.

In Crysis it is 2.25x faster.;)

Of course it is not that much faster in everything, but it is a huge improvement.
Are you sure you're not talking about desktop GPUs?
 
How can anyone not love these kinds of threads? It brings really good discussion and personally makes me a little moist.

My fingers sure are crossed. Anything above mediocre will come as quite the surprise.
 
How can anyone not love these kinds of threads? It brings really good discussion and personally makes me a little moist.

My fingers sure are crossed. Anything above mediocre will come as quite the surprise.
We're on about the fifth thread on this subject.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/514195/

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/511459/

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/458455/

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/453029/

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/439800/

I'm sure we'd all love a 256-bit midrange card but it isn't happening under Montevina unless Apple gets first dibs on the mobile spin of the HD 46xx Series.
 
Any chance of a 192-bit midrange card like a mobile version of the 9600 GSO (8800 GS)?
It's possible to see variant like that. nVidia seems to be the only manufacturer willing to ship video cards with slightly off memory interface multiples. (When compared to 64, 128, etc.)
 
192bit would actually take full advantage of 512mb, unlike the dated 128bit architecture, so considering the most vram we'll see on the MBP is 512mb for the time being, it'd be worlds better than 128bit.

In fact that's the most disappointing thing about mid range GPUs right now; 128 measly bits. By far the biggest performance hit.

And by far the biggest ego hit is paying $3k for a notebook that even has a mid range card.

Oh well maybe all this news of new products might mean we'll see a "heavy duty" (ie. .3" thicker -_-) Apple laptop with a high end GPU, blu ray etc. - I'd pay for it.

As for the name I recommend the "MacBook Pro"! Catchy no?
 
192bit would actually take full advantage of 512mb, unlike the dated 128bit architecture, so considering the most vram we'll see on the MBP is 512mb for the time being, it'd be worlds better than 128bit.
Memory size = 2^n*(bus width). So a 192-bit bus could give 384/768 MB.

Oh well maybe all this news of new products might mean we'll see a "heavy duty" (ie. .3" thicker -_-) Apple laptop with a high end GPU, blu ray etc. - I'd pay for it.

As for the name I recommend the "MacBook Pro"! Catchy no?
QFT QFT QFT QFT. And the current MacBook Pro can be the "MacBook Semi-pro," "MacBook Express," or "MacBook Life" (iLife).
 
I believe 3dfx used to dabble in 96-bit memory architectures with their original VooDoo lines. =]

And if that happens, people will complain about how 192-bit is "only halfway there" and how there needs to be "a REAL successor to 128-bit."

Lol.... it's not a matter of succession, 256-bit memory architecture vs. 128-bit is simply four 64-bit memory units vs. two. It's more silicon, not technology advancement. All GPUs are and have been 256-bit for years as far as I know, starting with the original Radeon and I think the GeForce256.
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192bit would actually take full advantage of 512mb, unlike the dated 128bit architecture, so considering the most vram we'll see on the MBP is 512mb for the time being, it'd be worlds better than 128bit.

That's ... so stupid. This is like the second time I've seen you post this, and it doesn't even make sense. "Take advantage of 512 MB"? The only way you "take advantage" of a 512 MB frame buffer is if all of it is needed at any given time, and your GPU is powerful enough so that it's not already framerate limited.

Stop saying this. 128-bit memory architecture isn't a "dated technology," it's precisely the same technology as 192 or 256-bit or even 512-bit memory, there's just fewer memory controllers.

In fact that's the most disappointing thing about mid range GPUs right now; 128 measly bits. By far the biggest performance hit.

Go do some reading and research. How does 128-bit memory architecture affect performance? Well, it affects memory bandwidth. How do you increase memory bandwidth? One of a few ways. Increase the memory width (i.e. to 192-bit, 256-bit, etc.), ramp up the memory's clockspeed, or, among other things, do some optimization in the core and the memory architecture itself, and introduce and improve things like Hyper-Z.

Mid-range cards don't need 256-bit memory architectures because by and large, given their high memory clocks, and fewer number of texture units, ROPs and shaders, they don't need as much memory bandwidth. Extra memory bandwidth would be a waste of money and resources. It's a stupid idea.

And by far the biggest ego hit is paying $3k for a notebook that even has a mid range card.

High-end cards aren't possible in solutions like the MacBook Pro. Why? Size. The heat/power output by the higher-end cards is too great to put in a notebook as thin as the MBP. Look at desktop GPUs... they've been getting more and more power-hungry year after year; not simply faster. They've been die-shrinking, and taking advantage of that to pump even more silicon into their chips... raising their transistor counts finally to over a billion in the high end GeForce cards, which the recommend a 1kW PSU for. Obviously that's impossible to translate over to mobile graphics cards. Gaming laptops, in case you hadn't noticed, are usually quite bulky.
 
The white Intel iMacs all had midrange GPUs (except for the $999 model). When they were redesigned to aluminum, we saw a low-end GPU in the low-end model, and midrange GPUs in the other models.

Given the rumor that the next MacBook Pros will start at $1799, could we see a 9300M G or 9500M GS in the low-end (and 96x0M in the mid- and high-end)?

The only way I see a HD 3850 is if it were highly underclocked.
 
The white Intel iMacs all had midrange GPUs (except for the $999 model). When they were redesigned to aluminum, we saw a low-end GPU in the low-end model, and midrange GPUs in the other models.

Given the rumor that the next MacBook Pros will start at $1799, could we see a 9300M G or 9500M GS in the low-end (and 96x0M in the mid- and high-end)?

The only way I see a HD 3850 is if it were highly underclocked.
Apple hasn't done a significant differentiation in Pro laptop GPUs for some time. They're more then likely going to stick with one GPU and use varying VRAM.

I can imagine the Mobility HD 3850 in the 17" MacBook Pro.
 
I can imagine it but only as a BTO option for more money. If they gave us a sh*tty graphcis card like a 9300 in the low-end MacBook Pro, I'd be seriously pissed. So would a lot of people, most likely.

Any chance of a higher-res 15" screen? 1680x1050 anyone?
 
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