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New MBP puts an end to the disastrous Jonny Ive era!
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While definitely more practical than the Ive era, I feel like we've lost something. This design could have been made by HP or Dell. Apple's relentless distillation of the essence of a notebook gave us beautiful slender laptops that we had an emotional connection with.
These new ones seem so utilitarian that I am not sure that I will have the same connection with it. I know that sounds somewhat dramatic, but I think there is something to be be said about how the device feels and not just how it works.
I'm still getting one, but not sure how I feel about it.
Cars are a good example of this - there are faster, newer cars with more buttons and features, but wouldn't we all prefer a classic Porsche?
These new ones seem so utilitarian that I am not sure that I will have the same connection with it. I know that sounds somewhat dramatic, but I think there is something to be be said about how the device feels and not just how it works.
I'm still getting one, but not sure how I feel about it.
Cars are a good example of this - there are faster, newer cars with more buttons and features, but wouldn't we all prefer a classic Porsche?
Again, whatever he wanted wouldn’t have happened if the rest of the executive team didn’t agree. The Company as a whole decided to go in a direction that customers said no thanks to. My guess is they knew what the timeline was for their own silicon and chose to save these changes/reversions for it. The keyboard came earlier because of all the reliability issues it was causing.
He put the structure in place that was absolutely there before those laptops were released in 2016. Ive also had a him-or-me moment with Scott Forstall resulting in Forstall being fired. Ive was king of the castle before those laptops were released, this was extremely obvious.
Ives was in the business of crippling features, minimalism to the extreme. Jobs was the original instigator of this but he was foremost a visionary who also had the maturity of knowing when things were going too far. I’m so glad Ives was finally booted, I much prefer Apple without him!
Someone deciding to retire because they’re filthy rich and have had their fill of designing rounded rectangles is not the definition of getting ‘booted’.
Report: Rift with Jony Ive led to Scott Forstall Apple departure
Refused to attend Sir Jony's meetings, Bloomberg claims
Source for your vague statements?
Common sense. The link you provided is gossip. There were other stories at the time that Bob Mansfield wouldn’t meet with Forstall unless Tim Cook was in the room. But it’s all gossip.Report: Rift with Jony Ive led to Scott Forstall Apple departure
Refused to attend Sir Jony's meetings, Bloomberg claimswww.techradar.com
Source for your vague statements?
Bob Mansfield's Return to Apple Reportedly Influenced by Scott Forstall's Departure
AllThingsD offers a look at the back-and-forth situation with Apple executive Bob Mansfield, who announced his retirement as hardware chief in late...
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Someone who is passionate about what they do doesn’t normally retire, they just keep going on and the proof in this particular case is that he launched a new design company after being booted 🤣
Honestly I just feel like if Ive still had a hand in these they wouldn’t be materially different, but they’d somehow look more pleasing. These have got that designed by a committee of engineers look rather than the forged by an experienced industrial design team look.
Lol, 'Common sense'. Thanks mateCommon sense. The link you provided is gossip. There were other stories at the time that Bob Mansfield wouldn’t meet with Forstall unless Tim Cook was in the room. But it’s all gossip.
Bob Mansfield's Return to Apple Reportedly Influenced by Scott Forstall's Departure
AllThingsD offers a look at the back-and-forth situation with Apple executive Bob Mansfield, who announced his retirement as hardware chief in late...
I dont believe he ever got booted, and agree he wanted a more wide challenge than the limits of Apple.
For me, despite ordering one, this MBP is the worst I can ever remember, in terms of design. It looks like it was designed by committee with no new ideas at all.
I will reserve my final judgement when I see it in reality. I also feel that the 16” will look very clumsy with that black keyboard tray area.
You could argue that a PowerBook G4 from 2005 was effectively one, as the 2006 MBP used the same design but with Intel, a webcam, and MagSafe 1.
He retired from Apple not from being a designer.
Yes, common sense says one person doesn’t decide every aspect of a product. Do you really think Phil Schiller, Craig Federighi and the hardware leadership had no say in the specs of Apple’s pro laptops? Please.
Do I think the head of Apple's gigantic software team had time to pop along to help with the industrial design of the laptops too?
It brought back things the most vocal Apple techies wanted so it won’t get criticized but I think it is pretty meh. I don’t think Apple should do different/weird just for the sake of it but aside from the notch and slightly smaller bezels it looks like a 2015 MBP. Maybe they could have added some different colors to make it not quite as boring?
Deciding what kind of ports and how many, deciding to replace a hardware function key row with software is more than industrial design. If the leader of Apple’s software and hardware teams had no involvement with the Touch Bar or no say on how many ports the laptops had then they weren’t doing their jobs.
True, fair statement with the touch bar. But I would argue the drive for thinness leading to the butterfly keyboard and removal of ports for a sleeker look has design team written all over it
I agree, but the designs of Apple are always refined. This laptop doesn’t feel refined and modern, due to the notch decision and black keyboard tray.
Always reserve my right to change my mind when I see it in store, as often they do look better in reality.
as a video editor Im stoked to get the HDMI back so I can output playback. My office is going to feel like a real editing suite until I have to give it up for a newborn lol