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Why do we need an HDMI port, though? Don't we want the industry to move into a more universal USB-C/Thunderbolt direction?
It has to do with a segment of professional users like myself. I don't buy macbooks because I'm trying to push the industry in any particular direction, I buy them because I enjoy working with them and the one's I've had have been exceptional tools for what I do. The keyboards type fast, the trackpad is second to none, and the performance is always good... But see the problem is, and this is why I'm typing this on a mid-2015 macbook pro, for the last 5-6 years, there's been no MBPs that hit all the sweet spots for me or users like me going by some other comments here.

I want a system I can take into a client's place, and be ready to hook up to whatever current equipment they have for me to plug into. I hate using dongles, I hate saying the word "dongle", because they clutter things up and they're too easy to forget. When you show up at a client's place, and can't even connect to their industry standard equipment because a family member swiped a dongle/special cable or you just plain forgot it, that looks bad on you. That's a ding on your professional rep with that client. It's not a major thing by itself, but little things like that can add up to big things, and project an unflattering image of you professionally.

At the price point of a macbook pro, I shouldn't have to remember a bunch of small crap to carry with me and have a system that, once it's setup to do my work at a client's site, looks like a modern industrial art homage to the Flying Spaghetti Monster(may all be blessed by His noodlely appendages). My mind is already more than occupied on the projects I'm involved in and my family. I shouldn't need to have to buy extra stuff to get basic connectivity to industry standard equipment done. It still remains annoying to me that there's no built in ethernet port, but thankfully, I don't have to worry about carrying around a card reader or a special usb-c to hdmi cable at least with these new ones, so that's two less things I'll have to worry about over the course of work in the coming years. That's important to me and anyone else like me, who already has to tow around a bunch of things as it is. The less I have to think about little things like that, the more at ease I am in my work day. The less cluttered my system actually looks when it's setup for work, the less noise in my peripheral when I'm trying to get work done.

All that "simplification" ignored what the systems actually looked like when they were setup for actual work by many pros, which was really noisy and the opposite of clean and simple.
 
All that "simplification" ignored what the systems actually looked like when they were setup for actual work by many pros, which was really noisy and the opposite of clean and simple.
This is a fantastic point, I feel like Apple were always the kings of the end result being simple, despite a lot of complicated work in the background. Those last machines kinda exposed that and put some of that complication on display with the network of cables and dongles everywhere
 
Ives was right... sort of...

Simpler is better for consumers, but not for professionals.
Not true. How many customers had standard USB-B devices (and still do) when Apple removed the port? I'd say 99% of users. USB-C was barely a thing until Apple forced it. That's not customer friendly by any means. Most people bought a dongle.
 
Why do we need an HDMI port, though? Don't we want the industry to move into a more universal USB-C/Thunderbolt direction?
Fan service. These retro throwback MBPs are all fan service, which can be a great thing. Everyone has been complaining for years about the lack of ports, MagSafe, and Touch Bar. Well, ask, and you shall receive, along with other elements y'all didn't ask for, like a notch.
 
This is definitely a post-Ive design and unlike some I don’t mean that as a compliment…
I'm with you there. The man alongside Steve Jobs, that brought the iPod, the iMac, the iPhone and all the other accessories in the last 16 years, and the fan boi's, who were probably not born when the iPod was released, are jumping about critiquing someone, and something which the only way to do, is to innovate themselves and show their talent. Which of course they won't, they can't. Easy to criticise from the cheap seats.
 
Completely agree, I’ll miss the minimalist approach though. I might be driven by nostalgia but those late 00’s and early to mid 10’s were years of streamlined products and the gorgeous simple ads. That is gone, now we’re having more practical products and tons for options for every type of consumer.
 
Completely agree, I’ll miss the minimalist approach though. I might be driven by nostalgia but those late 00’s and early to mid 10’s were years of streamlined products and the gorgeous simple ads. That is gone, now we’re having more practical products and tons for options for every type of consumer.
Is that difference between having a visionary and a business as CEO?
 
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It brought back things the most vocal Apple techies wanted so it won’t get criticized but I think it is pretty meh. I don’t think Apple should do different/weird just for the sake of it but aside from the notch and slightly smaller bezels it looks like a 2015 MBP. Maybe they could have added some different colors to make it not quite as boring?
Agree, I don't understand people saying it looks more utilitarian... it doesn't. Utilitarian would be plain and boxy, these are still very highly stylised machines that look the way they do in every aspect because they've been designed to look that way. Apple have deliberately gone for a divisive big and bold style, and I expect got the huge reaction (lots of talking and mindshare) that they wanted. As far as the design itself goes, I would actually say in a lot of ways it's more fussy than the one it replaces. The black keyboard recess is a style choice, and has no practical use, the feet are now much more complex designs, but serve the same purpose as the small round pads before, the full height function keys, again, it's an aesthetic choice, the bulkier looking base, the notched display, all of it.
 
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I agree, but the designs of Apple are always refined. This laptop doesn’t feel refined and modern, due to the notch decision and black keyboard tray.

Always reserve my right to change my mind when I see it in store, as often they do look better in reality.
This is what I'm really hoping, I get some people don't give a toss about it, but for me if I'm spending this much money on a computer, ideally, yeah, I want to look at it and think 'what a nice piece of hardware'!
 
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Anyone know if the battery is glued in? If it's easily replaceable, that's a fantastic line-item on its own.
 
Is that difference between having a visionary and a business as CEO?
Basically. Not complaining though, I do enjoy what Tim has been doing, especially giving space to other presenters during the keynotes. Nostalgia wise, same thing might be said when he steps down and another CEO with other priorities comes into place. For me, as long as functionality and efficiency is in their cards, I won’t mind design too much.
 
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Basically. Not complaining though, I do enjoy what Tim has been doing, especially giving space to other presenters during the keynotes. Nostalgia wise, same thing might be said when he steps down and another CEO with other priorities comes into place. For me, as long as functionality and efficiency is in their cards, I won’t mind design too much.
If there not too careful, they'll end up looking like a Dell. Windows 11 has caught up OS wise, it won't be long before industrial design impacts the Mac.
 
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If there not too careful, they'll end up looking like a Dell. Windows 11 has caught up OS wise, it won't be long before industrial design impacts the Mac.
Ironically Dell actually make the very attractive XPS series now... arguably they've already taken the industrial design crown here.
 
After many years they finally give people what they wanted. The same things they already had but were taken away. On top fo that they removed the stupid touch bar without a mention. I had to do quite a bit of scrolling on the product website to see an image of the keyboard ;)
 
Ironically Dell actually make the very attractive XPS series now... arguably they've already taken the industrial design crown here.
Agree to a point. The XPS line has started to become a bit stale (I have a white 9500). Would love for them to take the Apple approach to the audio. Very jealous on that.
But being able to add a second M2 disk and RAM is a huge benefit to the XPS.
 
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Agree to a point. The XPS line has started to become a bit stale (I have a white 9500). Would love for them to take the Apple approach to the audio. Very jealous on that.
But being able to add a second M2 disk and RAM is a huge benefit to the XPS.
I don't know I'd agree with stale, the redesign last year was pretty significant, with the 16:10 display, 17" model and slimmer design. I agree with the speaker system though, Apple's miles ahead and still pushing forward.
 
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If there not too careful, they'll end up looking like a Dell. Windows 11 has caught up OS wise, it won't be long before industrial design impacts the Mac.
I’m not sure what the complaint is (apart from the notch). It looks like nearly every other Mac aluminum laptop. I think it’s kinda boring but I don’t think it’s ugly.
 
for TVs and projectors. They don't have USB-C. 99.99% of them use HDMI.

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So easy to keep in your laptop bag and then you don't lose a TB port.
 
I use the HDMI port on my work laptop all the time, especially now that I work from home. Pretty much every monitor and TV uses it, so for most use cases you are immediately saving a USB-C port for something else. Also, you pay a significant price premium for good USB-C monitors versus the same monitor without it at least in part due to it needing to also function as a dock.

Or you could simply use a USB C to HDMI adapter 😉
 
Why do we need an HDMI port, though? Don't we want the industry to move into a more universal USB-C/Thunderbolt direction?
I believe apple wanted this to happen however the industry double downed on hdmi with 4K that I don’t think this will be going away. HDMI will be there when 8K gets mainstream.

display port is also in trouble with hdmi 2.1 able to do 4K 120hz at 4:4:4

it’s the only port I could have said keep without because the hdmi port is 2.0 not 2.1 on the mbp. Missed opportunity.
 
I believe apple wanted this to happen however the industry double downed on hdmi with 4K that I don’t think this will be going away. HDMI will be there when 8K gets mainstream.

display port is also in trouble with hdmi 2.1 able to do 4K 120hz at 4:4:4

it’s the only port I could have said keep without because the hdmi port is 2.0 not 2.1 on the mbp. Missed opportunity.
I wouldn’t say “in trouble” as DisplayPort 2.0 can/will handle 16K.
It’s all very moot, as you’ve pointed out with the Mac limit at HDMI 2.0.

In my opinion, HDMI is consumer electronics and doesn’t belong on a computer. DisplayPort standards are completely supported in USB-C spec with the added benefit of 100W charging.
As other’s have noted, I don’t understand replacing a multi-function port on a computer with a limited single-purpose port.
 
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