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Regardless of what's happening on the top of the line, I'd love to see a $999 base model with 2.13 Ghz C2D P7450 processor, 2GB RAM and NVIDIA 9400M graphics (no dedicated graphics). Such a computer would be a bestseller!!!

I know at least three people who would would like an iMac, don't need fancy graphics but don't want to spend $1275 on the base model with 2GB RAM. For them, this would be perfect.

Also, Apple would strengthen its competitiveness on the education market with such a model.
 
Well, what technical differences are there between the 8x00 and 9x00 series? I agree, according to nvidia.com, their baseline specs are identical. Is there some kind of CPU architectural difference? Anything that can be leveraged later? Is it some kind of "transitional platform"? Or, on the other hand, is this just a revisition by Apple of their marketing verbage?

Maybe there's absolutely nothing which should be read into this, and if that's the case, then so be it. However, there are definitely *some* differences within the 9800 series. Take a look:

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Graphics Card                      9800 GX2  9800 GTX+  9800 GTX
Processor Cores                    256       128        128
Graphics Clock                     600MHz    738MHz     675MHz
Processor Clock                    1500MHz   1836MHz    1688MHz
Texture Fill Rate (billions/sec)   76.8      47.2       43.2
Memory Clock                       1000MHz   1100MHz    1100MHz
Standard Memory Config             1 GB      512 MB     512 MB
Memory Interface Width             512-bit   256-bit    256-bit
Memory Bandwidth (GB/sec)          128       70.4       70.4
 
I do not look for an iMac update until the release of OS 10.6. It will be a big event with the new OS, new iMac and new Mac Mini. Hate to see that long a wait, but when it happens, the stock will move upward as will sales.
Just like how the 2007 aluminum iMac would be released with Leopard…oh wait…

And it has been mentioned in other threads that releasing the iMac before Snow Leopard would generate more profit due to updating.
 
Well, what technical differences are there between the 8x00 and 9x00 series?
The only architectural difference was between the original 8800GTX and 8800GTS and the later 8800GT. The 8800GT was some architectural tweaks to increase performance, but nothing revolutionary. All subsequent high-end products such as the 9800GTX are based on the same core as the 8800GT just clocked higher. nVidia has also been rebranding their products like crazy. The 8800GT was renamed the 9800GT was supposed to be renamed into the GT1xx series and instead is not going to be renamed the GT240. The GT240 may use a 55nm shrink, down from 65nm, but there are no architectural improvements and the clock speed is exactly the same.

So if Apple wants to make consumers feel better they would name the iMac GPUs using nVidia's new GT1xx/GT2xx naming scheme. However, these are the exact same architecture as the 9xxx and 8xxx series and is not related to the GTX280 or GTX260. Realistically, the majority of nVidia GPUs haven't progressed much since 2006, other than die shrinks to increase nVidia's profit margins and higher clock speeds to fill out the product line.

nVidia's 8xxx and 9xxx series doesn't have 64-bit floating point support unlike ATI's HD3xxx or HD4xxx series which is useful for GPGPU operation like in OpenCL. It'd be beneficial in the long run for Apple to use ATI GPUs like the HD4670 and HD4850 in the iMac. I think people already found kernel extensions for the HD4670 in OS X so it may happen. It's not like a desktop particularly needs switchable graphics, and a faster single GPU is still more worthwhile than Hybrid SLI.
 
I hope that these new imac are same height as the monitors, that I could have dual monitor setup next to each other
 
That leaked image looks fake to me.

I'm sure the new iMacs will cost more than the current ones in Sweden and probably every other country outside the US. Thanks to America's huge trade deficit with China the US dollar has risen substantially against most world currencies since the iMac was last refreshed in April 2008.

I'm expecting some nasty sticker shock when a new iMac hits Canadian stores. Unfortunately for Apple, PC prices haven't been rising here so the gap between PC and Mac is going to widen dramatically. The triumvirate of a weak economy, netbooks and other low priced PCs, and increased Mac prices should temporarily put a halt to Apple growth in Canada.
 
and where is new Mac PRO

Gosh, it takes them ages before they release something.
My wife is waiting for me to get her upgrade. :D (waiting 4 months already, and she is not happy)

I hope one day, we could have 3d party companies for hardware and then install OSX.

Anyway, any news about MP, graphic cards?
 
Regardless of what's happening on the top of the line, I'd love to see a $999 base model with 2.13 Ghz C2D P7450 processor, 2GB RAM and NVIDIA 9400M graphics (no dedicated graphics). Such a computer would be a bestseller!!!

I know at least three people who would would like an iMac, don't need fancy graphics but don't want to spend $1275 on the base model with 2GB RAM. For them, this would be perfect.

Also, Apple would strengthen its competitiveness on the education market with such a model.

Apple doesn't go backwards on clock speed unless they have to and they have no interest in buying market share with low prices.

As for your friends, Apple makes a lot of money on suckers like them. Apple wants $75 to pull a 1GB SO-DIMM and replace it with a 2GB one. They want a completely outrageous $225 to install a pair of 2GB DIMMs. Compare that with the following prices for iMac RAM at a store near me (prices converted from Canadian dollars to US using today's official exchange rate).

Buffalo TechWorks 2GB 1X2GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800 200PIN SODIMM Memory for New Apple iMac In Stock $25.35
Buffalo TechWorks 4GB 2X2GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800 200PIN SODIMM Memory Kit for New Apple iMac In Stock $45.79

OK so installation isn't included, but a chimpanzee could upgrade the RAM in an iMac.

Sadly it's a nightmare to swap the hard drive in an iMac. I'm waiting for that to change (and a few other things) before I'll buy one.
 
I think you missed my points.

I whole heartedly agree. If the iMac is updated now, it will be a still be core2duo, or maybe a core2quad (not likely), and that is basically no improvement over the current model. It is old tech and an old architecture. While core2 is still a great architecture, there is no doubt Core i7 is the way forward, but a mobile version will not be released until the later part of 2009.
Apple does have the option of intels new small form factor chip but even so it won't be a huge performance increase over what is in the machine now for single thread performance.

I do reject the idea that the current i7 processors are impossible. Yeah the chip is hot when runned at max speed but that doesn't mean underclocking a bit isn't possible. Even if they don't do that one has to remember that the chip also has most of the North bridge on board so when looking at power you are really competeing against two chips on older motherboards. So effectively you have something less than 100 watts going to the CPU. That really isn't that bad, the trick is in removing the combined wattage which really isn't a problem these days. Apple has choices that range from heat pipes to carbon fiber technology. Plus there is nothing to keep them from making a high end i7 model and a quad or dual Core 2 model for the low end.
iMacs use mobile processors, so no i7 for this release, and unless there is a major change, why would you be upgrading?
Apple did use mobile processors and they also use to use desktop processors. Dwelling on what was in a machine in the past will not help to predict the future. Unless Apple comes out with an XMac ( a low cost desktop box ) they almost have to put in an i7. They need to do that to fill the performance gap. Also they need to go i7 to get Quick Path now for external GPUs. I just can't see intels up coming processors with built in GPUs as meeting Apples need.

By the way I'd like to be wrong about Intels built in GPUs in future processors but let's face it intel GPUs are barely passable and they haven't committed to having them capable of running OpenCL code.
The same thing happens every time a new machine is due, people sit here and speculate and build up in their mind a massive machine that will never see the light of day, and when reality hits, we all feel ripped off. Apple can never live up to expectations of the fanboi's. Until there is an i7 mobile processor, don't get excited about and iMac upgrade.
This is exactly the type of negative thinking that I was trying to highlight earlier. If we as a community don't put Apple on notice to do better then how do you expect to be able to buy the hardware that you expect? It is not just the processor in the new iMac but also things like Firewire, USB ports and the like.

Maybe you don't think people should speak up about things like Firewire and simply accept that Apple is free to jerk their chain when ever they feel. I don't personally fit into that group as I feel we should be free to express what we want in a machine Apple builds.
I am holding out for new Mac Pros later this year, likely to be May / June at the earliest, and I wouldn't be surprised they hold off and release the new Mac Pros along side Snow Leopard.
Probably a few weeks after Intel gets the chipset out for them. The one thing about the Pro that bothers me is the constant whinning that it needs an update. To that I just ask to what! It will get updated when Intel has the chip sets to make a difference in the machine.

This is a far cry from the Mini where the apparent optimal chips already exist. If there is one machine at Apple that makes me wonder what the help is up it is the Mini as it should have been upgraded early this year. It is the only Apple machine with a clear upgrade path based on common public info.
If you want to get excited about an upgrade, 10.6 Snow Leopard is what you should be looking forward too. This will certainly make your current iMac run a heap faster. New finder (i am in heaven) and slimmer apps, and highly optimised code. That is an upgrade worth having.

Well that is what Apple is telling us but you will have to believe it when you see it. I know there is a lot of potential for improvement as the current implementation of Leopard is sluggish but I'm not convinced that Apple has the chops to pull off a significant upgrade. Yeah that sounds pretty bad but I've not been to impressed with the combo of Objective C and Aqua.

I'm certain some of the coming features will be worth having. In fact if they can do two things for me I'd lay out the money for SL today. The first item is to fix WiFi on early 2008 MBP and the second is to GPU accelerated video playback on the same machines. Everything else would be gravy.

Dave
 
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A crappy crappy photo but you can still make out the words I think.
 
Fixed pic

If you're gonna post a blurry picture at least post it reading the right direction lol.

Wouldn't that be nice if it were real...and available like now.
 

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Think about it. Apple's not going to send out "Marketing material" (brochures) out a week or weeks before sending out the actual machines. If iMacs weren't released today, those "marketing materials" were faked.
 
Memory interface is one of the easy things to cut to save money. No surprise there.
True but there was some hope for the 8800M GS before it was a 8700M GT.

The 9700M GTS and 9800 GS look hopeful this time around if you can find it in something that isn't a desktop replacement monster.
 
The one thing about the Pro that bothers me is the constant whinning that it needs an update. To that I just ask to what! It will get updated when Intel has the chip sets to make a difference in the machine.

Dave

Where did I whine it needed an update? I said I was waiting for one, not whinning it needed one. And what do you mean to what? How about Nehalem based Xeon processor. Thats what. Hence why I stated it would be May / June at the earliest, seeing as the updated Xeon isn't released until end of March.
 
Yeowee!

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A crappy crappy photo but you can still make out the words I think.

You even stuffed it up when you typed it. The all new Mac, since when does apple have a product called Mac. Imac, MacPro, but just Mac. Nice try. Fix it and start a new tread, see how far it goes. LOL
 
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