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New PowerBooks on Tuesday.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Heat and noise (human, not computer)
You have nothing to worry about then, because there won't be new 12 inchers anyway. 8Þ
You have nothing to worry about then, because there won't be new 12 inchers anyway. 8Þ
G4 Vibes
I think this gig's not getting enough exposure or hype to be the coming-out of the G5 PowerBooks. I predict G4's. But I'm still hoping for better (2x) DVD-RW's.
I think this gig's not getting enough exposure or hype to be the coming-out of the G5 PowerBooks. I predict G4's. But I'm still hoping for better (2x) DVD-RW's.
here's a fresh thought
dont anyone flame me now.
what if in the future, they differenciated consumer and pro by size, so that 12,14, and a new 16 would be ibooks, and a new 13, and the 15, 17 were powerbooks?
then they could market it as a *book for all sizes.. or pick your inch or something.
dont anyone flame me now.
what if in the future, they differenciated consumer and pro by size, so that 12,14, and a new 16 would be ibooks, and a new 13, and the 15, 17 were powerbooks?
then they could market it as a *book for all sizes.. or pick your inch or something.
Re: here's a fresh thought
I definitely see the beginnings of something like that, but I'm pretty sure that anything above 15" is going to be a PowerBook. Also, does anyone make a 16" screen? Who knows.
Originally posted by x86isslow
dont anyone flame me now.
what if in the future, they differenciated consumer and pro by size, so that 12,14, and a new 16 would be ibooks, and a new 13, and the 15, 17 were powerbooks?
then they could market it as a *book for all sizes.. or pick your inch or something.
I definitely see the beginnings of something like that, but I'm pretty sure that anything above 15" is going to be a PowerBook. Also, does anyone make a 16" screen? Who knows.
Re: Re: 7457 Specs
True, but what's not feasible is that it actually would take as much or even more retooling to put a dual processor motherboard in a Powerbook. You can't use the MB from the Powermac because it's too large. The only thing you can probably get from that is the CPU controller. Aside from that you'd need an entirely new MB, one able to handle a different bus, among many other things. Not only that but people will perceive that a dual processor laptop will be really power hungry, and if those are current specs for the power draw from the processor why wouldn't Apple just leave it a single processor system and take advantage of the battery savings? I don't think we'll be seing dual processor laptops, even if it has bus slewing or a processor turns off when it's unplugged. What use would that be? The only way is bus slewing or letting you decide the processor settings while on battery. Does anyone know if G4's even have the capability of bus slewing? Anyway, my point is it just doesn't seem right to make a laptop with more than one processor, though it would make sure both of your hands got warm in the winter...
True, but what's not feasible is that it actually would take as much or even more retooling to put a dual processor motherboard in a Powerbook. You can't use the MB from the Powermac because it's too large. The only thing you can probably get from that is the CPU controller. Aside from that you'd need an entirely new MB, one able to handle a different bus, among many other things. Not only that but people will perceive that a dual processor laptop will be really power hungry, and if those are current specs for the power draw from the processor why wouldn't Apple just leave it a single processor system and take advantage of the battery savings? I don't think we'll be seing dual processor laptops, even if it has bus slewing or a processor turns off when it's unplugged. What use would that be? The only way is bus slewing or letting you decide the processor settings while on battery. Does anyone know if G4's even have the capability of bus slewing? Anyway, my point is it just doesn't seem right to make a laptop with more than one processor, though it would make sure both of your hands got warm in the winter...
Re: Re: Re: Re: ????
While that is the overall aspect of this discussion, the only numbers for actual power consumption were given for the processor, so we actually were only talking about the processor, at least I was. No one had posted anything regarding any other heat problem other than the CPU controller. In fact there are plenty of other factors regarding heat especially HDs and RAM.
off topic...
Yes, my friend turned me on to Ani a few weeks ago...she's really cool, and she's inspired lyrics to some of my own songs....well right now they're just lyrics but they will be songs eventually...
While that is the overall aspect of this discussion, the only numbers for actual power consumption were given for the processor, so we actually were only talking about the processor, at least I was. No one had posted anything regarding any other heat problem other than the CPU controller. In fact there are plenty of other factors regarding heat especially HDs and RAM.
off topic...
Yes, my friend turned me on to Ani a few weeks ago...she's really cool, and she's inspired lyrics to some of my own songs....well right now they're just lyrics but they will be songs eventually...
Re: Re: Re: 7457 Specs
They've had enough time
I would rate a dual G4 below a G5 in probability right now, and I'm leaning toward a single G4 as the most probable possibility.
But wouldn't a dual-processor PowerBook just be cool?
Doubt it.
They've had enough time
I would rate a dual G4 below a G5 in probability right now, and I'm leaning toward a single G4 as the most probable possibility.
But wouldn't a dual-processor PowerBook just be cool?
Doubt it.
One strong reason that I wouldn't expect to see a dual-G4 PowerBook that I haven't seen brought up yet is that the G4 PowerBook in general is probably not long for this world. This revision will probably be G4s (and that's what I'm expecting), but it seems hard to believe that it won't be the last G4 revision.
So to make a G4 PowerBook, Apple would have to do hell of a lot of engineering work to develop a product that serves a bit of a niche market (desktop replacement buyers), and little or none of that work can be reused for a future revision of the product, because future revisions will probably be G5-based. I just can't see this being a profitable course of action.
So to make a G4 PowerBook, Apple would have to do hell of a lot of engineering work to develop a product that serves a bit of a niche market (desktop replacement buyers), and little or none of that work can be reused for a future revision of the product, because future revisions will probably be G5-based. I just can't see this being a profitable course of action.
anyway....
Considering this more and more I'm not sure if I want them to release a G5 tomorrow. Actually if they would be our spec G5 that we've batted around, I think it might actually be pretty crappy. I'd love to have a first gen G5 powerbook but I think if it'd be anything like we've been speculating we'd be better off with a 1.25 or 1.33 GHz G4, which would be more apt to handle the rest of the system than a G5 which would just bring us DDR support until fully optimized code comes out in droves for the G5. But, Apple can sometimes be suprising and so who knows? Maybe they will have a nice 1.5 GHz G5 which somehow runs really cool with a fast bus and everything, but I doubt it. I'd be less reluctant to suspect a 1.33 GHz G4 with an upped 200MHz bus....is this possible? I'm pretty sure it is, and if so *that* would be great to see tomorrow...
Considering this more and more I'm not sure if I want them to release a G5 tomorrow. Actually if they would be our spec G5 that we've batted around, I think it might actually be pretty crappy. I'd love to have a first gen G5 powerbook but I think if it'd be anything like we've been speculating we'd be better off with a 1.25 or 1.33 GHz G4, which would be more apt to handle the rest of the system than a G5 which would just bring us DDR support until fully optimized code comes out in droves for the G5. But, Apple can sometimes be suprising and so who knows? Maybe they will have a nice 1.5 GHz G5 which somehow runs really cool with a fast bus and everything, but I doubt it. I'd be less reluctant to suspect a 1.33 GHz G4 with an upped 200MHz bus....is this possible? I'm pretty sure it is, and if so *that* would be great to see tomorrow...
The truth about the G5 heatsink
It seems that a lot of people point at the G5 heatsink as proof that the G5 won't fit in a Powerbook-size enclosure. You can't make this conclusion.
The heatsink in the G5 is unlike any heatsink I've seen before. It has a very low density and thus does not disapate much heat at all. The heatsink is really just a tube with a small amount of heat-disapating aluminum inside it. It is this way so the PowerMac can have thermal zones (directed airflow), not because there is a lot of heat to get rid of.
Look at the G5 from the front and through the processor fan. Look at how little aluminum there is inside the heatsink. Look at how thin the aluminum pieces are. This is not an industrial-strength heatsink. If you stood on it, it would crush to about 1/6 of it's size. If you stood on any other heatsink, it wouldn't crush at all.
If Apple decided to use a traditional heatsink like they did in the G4, I would be surprised if it were more than 1" in thickness.
I can't say whether the G5 is too hot for a Powerbook or not, but I can say that the size of the heatsink in the G5 PowerMac is not proof either way.
It seems that a lot of people point at the G5 heatsink as proof that the G5 won't fit in a Powerbook-size enclosure. You can't make this conclusion.
The heatsink in the G5 is unlike any heatsink I've seen before. It has a very low density and thus does not disapate much heat at all. The heatsink is really just a tube with a small amount of heat-disapating aluminum inside it. It is this way so the PowerMac can have thermal zones (directed airflow), not because there is a lot of heat to get rid of.
Look at the G5 from the front and through the processor fan. Look at how little aluminum there is inside the heatsink. Look at how thin the aluminum pieces are. This is not an industrial-strength heatsink. If you stood on it, it would crush to about 1/6 of it's size. If you stood on any other heatsink, it wouldn't crush at all.
If Apple decided to use a traditional heatsink like they did in the G4, I would be surprised if it were more than 1" in thickness.
I can't say whether the G5 is too hot for a Powerbook or not, but I can say that the size of the heatsink in the G5 PowerMac is not proof either way.
Re: Announcement Time?
It should be about 3am or so CDT. I am in MN so I am waiting.
I think I may stay up grading homework and writing a test.
Originally posted by Mineral
When should I expect to know the specs of new Powerbooks???
I live in Central Time Zone, btw.
I think I'll stay up until then, and do homework.
If anyone wants to talk Apple/Powerbook talk, IM me at: gabezebabe
It should be about 3am or so CDT. I am in MN so I am waiting.
I think I may stay up grading homework and writing a test.
probably means nothing
It probably means nothing, but http://www.apple.com/OrderStatus is down now, even though it worked this afternoon.
My browser's (Mozilla Firebird 0.6) status bars freezes on "waiting for store.apple.com..." for a while, then eventually I get "Server Error: Backend Invalid Response Error."
The rest of the store pages seem to be working.
It probably means nothing, but http://www.apple.com/OrderStatus is down now, even though it worked this afternoon.
My browser's (Mozilla Firebird 0.6) status bars freezes on "waiting for store.apple.com..." for a while, then eventually I get "Server Error: Backend Invalid Response Error."
The rest of the store pages seem to be working.
The truth is that the G4 heatsink is an antique
Many of the new OEM Pentium and Xeon heatsinks are also of the very thin folded copper sheet variety, usually with a thick copper base plate. (I've installed quite a few of them - most of my "dual CPU" Xeon and "quad CPU" Xeon MP systems arrive as single-CPU boxes with the additional CPUs and heat sinks in separate boxes.)
Massive aluminum heatsinks are 20th century relics....
The game now is conduction and dissipation, not thermal mass. That and the fact that heavy heatsinks are a serious mounting problem - have to keep from breaking the motherboard.
Many of the new OEM Pentium and Xeon heatsinks are also of the very thin folded copper sheet variety, usually with a thick copper base plate. (I've installed quite a few of them - most of my "dual CPU" Xeon and "quad CPU" Xeon MP systems arrive as single-CPU boxes with the additional CPUs and heat sinks in separate boxes.)
Massive aluminum heatsinks are 20th century relics....
The game now is conduction and dissipation, not thermal mass. That and the fact that heavy heatsinks are a serious mounting problem - have to keep from breaking the motherboard.
just want to know
is the keynote presentation being webcasted at 4am est. time? and what is the best link to watch it on?
is the keynote presentation being webcasted at 4am est. time? and what is the best link to watch it on?
Re: Announcement Time?
Likewise - although I may nap, but am up for some anticipatory chatting! I'm AIM edgaresbueno.
Originally posted by Mineral
When should I expect to know the specs of new Powerbooks???
I live in Central Time Zone, btw.
I think I'll stay up until then, and do homework.
If anyone wants to talk Apple/Powerbook talk, IM me at: gabezebabe
Likewise - although I may nap, but am up for some anticipatory chatting! I'm AIM edgaresbueno.
Nah, the year is over and it was the year of A laptop. I'm just hoping that appl announces the book and makes it availible to the public within the week. BTW: I'm up watching my Cowboys play the Giants in Overtime. Go Cowboys!!
I agree totally. I consider a dual G4 to be the least probable option. (Second least--dual G5 is the least probable.) However, it would be worth the investment...if they're planning a dual G5 in the future.
G4 / G5
Well, I for one was happy to see the new PowerBooks are G4 and not G5, so VirtualPC can run on them right away... But unhappy to see that the Level 3 cache was removed.
Now I don't know whether the new or old models would be faster running VirtualPC
PS:
Only 499 posts ? Come on; one more post and we reach 500 !
Well, I for one was happy to see the new PowerBooks are G4 and not G5, so VirtualPC can run on them right away... But unhappy to see that the Level 3 cache was removed.
Now I don't know whether the new or old models would be faster running VirtualPC
PS:
Only 499 posts ? Come on; one more post and we reach 500 !