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New PowerMac G4's at MWNY

i don't care too much about the case

i want to see the ddr ram and at least 1.4 ghz on the top end

it is no fun to see pcs with the ddr and no option for macs for the faster ram

and i hope this is the last incarnation of the g4 and then i want to see a g5 already

this way, we can put the g3 to rest and put g4s in the crt imac and the ibook
 
Originally posted by Tue12
But I do wish that PowerMac iterations came every 4-5 months instead of every 6-7 months.
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What are you, nuts? And have Apple actually get close to keeping up with the competition? :rolleyes: ;)

Nowhere do those specs mention DDR, so I'm hoping that's just considered a given. Also, what about FireWire2?
 
Originally posted by rice_web
Don't think in terms of a megahertz jump. If we had jumped up 400MHz back in the days of 66MHz processing, it would have been freakishly amazing.

Rather, think in terms of percentage. A 400MHz boost equates to a 40% jump, which wouldn't be the largest in Apple history.
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Yep, rice_web is right. Welcome to Moore's Law. It had to hit us Mac users sooner or later. ;)

As for the overall analysis of the situation, I agree with Jef. I don't care if they call the new design scheme "Baby Poop" as long as it has hella fast dual chipsets, DDR, and *crosses fingers* FireWire 2. I think it's fairly common knowledge that these G4s are only a stop gap measure to fill the space between the current line and thhe G5. Let's just all thank God for small miracles like DDR RAM. Dig?

P.S.- This is officially my first G5 post. Looks like I've lost my zealot virginity! :D
 
Don't know about the new case. May or may not be ready yet. At the very least modifications to the current case to accomodate new internals, and a new color scheme.

I think railhead is pretty much right on, although the mhz isn't locked in stone. (You know how unreliable motorola can be.) At least 1.33 for the top end dual and likely something around 1.4. DD Ram at 2x133 I am pretty sure. Maybe DD Ram at 2x166 since the new G4 7470 can support it. On chip L2 cache increased from 256 to 512k at processor speed. Total combination along with Jaguar speed improvements shoudl be in the neighborhood of 50 to 60% speed boost overall. It will be fast.
 
I have a funny news ...

Hi guys here in Germany there is a Site named www.onlinekosten.de (Serious)

This Site has often exlusiv News about Hardware I since yesterday the knew the START date for the Radeon R300 aka Radeon 9700, it will start on July 17 !!!!

Thats Macworld Date what do you think build to order ?

http://www.onlinekosten.de/news/artikel.php3?id=9346
Thats the link. Translate it its funny.

Its Sure there is something coming, by the way go www.ati.com there you see a trailer I think its the trailer for the new Radeon.


:D
 
Originally posted by Shaktai
Don't know about the new case. May or may not be ready yet. At the very least modifications to the current case to accomodate new internals, and a new color scheme.
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As I said already on another thread...

I guess one thing (for me) is almost for sure.

The next Keyboard and Mouse will be white! You remember the screenshots of Jaguar? There is a screenshot of the system preferences panel and the mouse symbol is not black anymore, it is white!!!

So I think that the major color will be white and not only for the iMac/eMac line. Since the keyboard always matches with the case design, I am pretty sure about that.

I could imagine that they keep the enclosures of the Quicksilver line, BUT...

1) everything that is in silver now will be snow white, also the front,
2) the Apple logo will be chrome,
3) the speaker will be white as well,
4) they will give the opportunity to use a second optical drive (5.25") inside.

That's all. Really new enclosures will come with the G5. But this way they will stop to make an optical difference between the pro and the consumer line. If they want to attract PC dudes, they are used to towers and if they don't get a tower they are not interested. But as long as Apple tells them indirectly what they have to buy (You want to use the Mac at home... then buy an iMac!) it won't work for all of the "switchers"!

Also for companies it doesn't make sense anymore, since a lot of them probably would buy some eMacs or iMacs for office work and towers for the real workload. But at the moment you have two different designs that don't get along very well. A Quicksilver beside an iMac doesn't give you the feeling that it looks good together.

:D

I wish it would be the 17th already... reminds me of X-mas when I was little!! ;)

groovebuster
 
I would be disapointed if 2/3 of the new models were dual proccessor. DP is great and an excellent choice for the high-end model but making nearly everything DP isn't the solution. Besides the fact that most games won't use DP, having to go DP for everything in an effort to try and keep up with PCs only makes the chips look weak. How about this?

G4 1GHz
G4 1.3GHz
G4 1.4GHz DP
 
Originally posted by Jack Tenric
I would be disapointed if 2/3 of the new models were dual proccessor. DP is great and an excellent choice for the high-end model but making nearly everything DP isn't the solution. Besides the fact that most games won't use DP...
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Have you *ever* heard about an operating system called "OS X"?
:D
 
why dual 1.2 middle?

must agree... what does mid-range get w/ dualies, unless its that much faster?

would like to see the good/better/best/awesome rating continued, tho instead of more disk/memory, have dual 1.4/whatever fastest speed is at awesome, then dual 1.2 at best, single 1.2 better, and 1.0 at good.

single 1.2 would fit my needs but would probably fork over the extra pe$os for a dualie.

case change: are they gonna do a case change for g5 at mw/sfo or /ny next year if they do a new one announced next week? would think they'd keep w/ (yuk) q/s if there's a new case, unless they're suddenly being responsive to the minions.

can also see this as the new case and g5 gets the same one, only perhaps dittied up a bit, racing stripes or whatever.

damn, hope its not white. would like to see metallic.
 
Looks like we'll be getting some good stuff, but its still lacking IMO. I won't be buying this year it seems.

my old tar
 

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Originally posted by dukestreet
Looks like we'll be getting some good stuff, but its still lacking IMO. I won't be buying this year it seems.

my old tar
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Great Duke, why not? Seriously, that is a 40% jump in processing power in 6 months, plus DDR, Firewire 2, 2GB of memory, and probably 4MB of DDR L3 per proc. Man, that is a huge performance increase. Well worth paying the money. Well, my specs are. The ones that railhead put up are good, but not as good ;) See ya Friday!
 
I think that the speed increase is what we all expected, and deep down we knew the G5 would not yet appear. But, if I were to order the 1.2 DP on July 17, how long would it really take me to plug it in at home? What would the approximate delay between order time and when I plug it in at home be?
 
same price points?

I don't see how they could maintain the same price points with that lineup.

Current prices on PowerMacs:

800 MHz - 1599
933 MHz - 2299
Dual 1GHz - 2999

Are we supposed to expect:

1 Ghz - 1599
Dual 1.2 GHz - 2299
Dual 1.4 GHz - 2999
???????????

Or are they counting the custom built "Ultimate" option that rings in at $4099 as a "price point"? I just can't see Apple selling a Dual 1.2 GHz machine for the same price it sold a single processor 933 MHz machine the day before. I am hoping we will see two single processor speeds (maybe 1.0 and 1.2 GHz) as well as the two dualies. But that's just my hope. I mainly run FORTRAN programs that I have written on my PowerMacs, and it takes a lot of extra effort to program for dual processors....
 
BiFrost, Apple does that all the time. The last series topped out at dual 800's and it went from the top o the line to the bottom of the line in one day, and the price point stayed the same! Seriously, that is SOP for Apple.
 
If the PMacs get 166 DDR, Intel is going to start soiling it's panties. The dual 1.4s could SMOKE the 2.53 Pentium4 with that kind of bus speed increase.

I think the reason Apple is being as tight as a nun about this whole affair is something really really big is coming down the pipeline. Maybe the big 'thing' isn't 1 groundbreaking event, but a few rather large ones. I don't want to speculate what the others might be, but I would love to see an iPDA and DDR in the Powerbook.

I can hope, can't I? :cool:
 
Originally posted by groovebuster


I guess one thing (for me) is almost for sure.

The next Keyboard and Mouse will be white! You remember the screenshots of Jaguar? There is a screenshot of the system preferences panel and the mouse symbol is not black anymore, it is white!!!

So I think that the major color will be white and not only for the iMac/eMac line. Since the keyboard always matches with the case design, I am pretty sure about that.
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Possibly yes, but the new icon in the finder that represents the computer is the new iMac (at least in my build).. so maybe it's to sync things up with the iMac?
 
They are gonna compensate the price with a very fancy enclosure design. They won't reduce the price, they are gonna innovate with the enclosure.
 
Originally posted by canadianmacguy


Possibly yes, but the new icon in the finder that represents the computer is the new iMac (at least in my build).. so maybe it's to sync things up with the iMac?
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But why would they do that just for the iMac and ignoring their other products? Since I am pro user I wouldn't like to have an iMac icon all the time on my Desktop...

We'll see soon I guess! ;)

groovebuster
 
They absolutely could maintain those price points with no problem at all. The towers bring their biggest profit margins and the reality is that with rebates, the current lineup has been several hudred dollars cheaper for a while now, so they'd just get rid of the rebates. CPU prices are pretty minimal in the cost of most of their machines. Maybe $300 at most to add another processor, and minus the rebates, well there's the extra $300 so it's a wash. Other components always get cheaper over time. If anything, I think the prices would still be ridiculously inflated. What kind of CPU could one get in the Wintel world for $3000? That the low-end tower still costs a whopping $1700 in this day and age is just nuts!

As much as Apple would like to live in it's own world, they are competing with the Wintel world. What wintel user that's never used a mac is going to say, "gee I can get a low end 1 Ghz mac for $1700 or a 2 Ghz low end PC tower with an OS that I already know for $800, so I think I'll switch to the Mac."
 
Backtothemac:

When did Apple offer a dual 800 machine as "bottom of the line"? Did I misunderstand you on that? The last series topped out at dual 800's, yes. But the current "bottom of the line" is a single processor 800. Not dual. I would not be surprised at all if the bottom of the line machine was a single processor 1 GHz. But I would be surprised at the middle of the line being a dual 1.2 GHz. That doesn't seem to be consistent with what Apple has done in the past. Not that I would complain, although I wouldn't mind seeing a single processor machine faster than 1 GHz. Maybe I'm missing something (I am a newbie, after all), but the jump from single 933 MHz to dual 1.2 GHz without the price going up seems larger than usual.

Anyway, whatever comes out, I'm buying. I've got a research budget that expires soon, so I have to spend the money now. Only severe disappointment (minute speed increase, no DDR, etc.) would force me to either wait until MWSF or look for a bargain basement price on another 933. Anything remotely like what the Register is reporting will see me buying a new PowerMac this summer.
 
I'm with robguz. Apple beats prices higher than they need be. My longtime justification for this is a complete system for the price (e.g. firwire, USB, ethernet, s-video-out (PB), come on the machine instead of being like y PC owning friends who get a new device or software package and have to buy/install new software. The only installing I've ever done are HDs, RAM, and once I put an upgrade card in an old Quadra of mine.

Now, however, those add on pieces of hardware are cheap and plastic, so their inclusion in a Mac system doesn't justify the price. Lower price points, or at least the same for better systems are key.:D
 
I think that the speed increase is what we all expected, and deep down we knew the G5 would not yet appear. But, if I were to order the 1.2 DP on July 17, how long would it really take me to plug it in at home? What would the approximate delay between order time and when I plug it in at home be?
 
WOHOO!

I don't know about the rest of you, but I think a 40% jump in MHz, DDR RAM and new enclosures are a SWEET upgrade. Furthermore, for those of you who have your doubt regarding Apple's the new white color scheme, don't worry; the new PowerMacs will be another gorgeous testament to Jonathan Ive's genius ;)

Bill
 
Re: same price points?

Originally posted by Bifrost
I don't see how they could maintain the same price points with that lineup.

Current prices on PowerMacs:

800 MHz - 1599
933 MHz - 2299
Dual 1GHz - 2999

Are we supposed to expect:

1 Ghz - 1599
Dual 1.2 GHz - 2299
Dual 1.4 GHz - 2999
???????????
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or how about ;

933 1599
1 ghz 2299
dual 1.2 2999

that sounds a little more down to earth...and with ddr ram
 
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