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3 GHz?

maxvamp said:
I suspect a lot of attention will be had around Apple finally reaching 3.0 GHz in the new MacPro...

Max.


Will Apple actually come out with a 3 GHz model? I would think that the first Intel MacPro's will not make it up to the 3 GHz speed. Maybe the 2nd Revision before that speed & the 4th Revision before most of us can afford one.

Bill the TaxMan
 
AidenShaw said:
So, will Apple sell a really slow Woody at a price that's much higher than a much faster Conroe?

The answer to that is no. The reason is because we would have seen new desktops by now if they were going with Woodcrest. It's obvious at this point that the Conroe release is what is holding up the desktop release, not Woodcrest. Yeah, people can say "no, it's because Apple is waiting for WWDC". But, I say BS. If Apple was going to release Woodcrest machines, they would have done so by now... or at least began accepted orders. WWDC gets us closer to Conroe and that will be the chip they go with. I can see no other valid reason to hold up the introduction of the desktop line other than waiting for Conroe.

I'm going further out on a limb and state that Woodcrest will probably not make it into desktop at all. Hold on, hear me out... the reason is because, other than video, there aren't enough pro apps to warrant going all Intel Quad on the pro desktop yet. What we might see is two or three Conroe machines coming out around WWDC in brand new cases. They will keep the current G5 quad in the line-up until Macworld SF, then replace it with Kentsfield. Jobs will go on stage and say the migration is complete as promised. "... one more thing, we are proud to introduce the NEW Pro-line Intel Quad (Kentsfield) that is optimized to run Adobe CS3 that is coming out as UB.. next month!"

The more I think about this... it just makes sense. By holding off for Conroe, they won't get stuck supporting expensive dual configurations in the desktop line (Woodcrest and Conroe). Apple probably makes the majority of desktop sales in the dual chip category. I doubt they sell enough (precentage wise) to worry about Quad until Adobe catches up. Yeah, I know, there are a lot of Quad users... but not enough to force the Woodcrest chip when the software isn't ready. Apple is better off to get faster Conroe boxes out to the small business/studio owner first, then they can go after the high-end market when the chips and software are ready first quarter '07. They could even split the line-up like I mentioned in another post.

Don't expect to get your socks knocked off this year. Job's stated that this is a transition year (and they need to do it right). 2007 is when it's all going to happen! Those people who bought G5 Quads over the past 6 months are going to be really happy with their investments in the long run.

Finally, I really don't think Apple is worried about keeping up with Dell (or any other computer maker) in the hardware department. They like to think the primary reason to choose Apple is not for the hardware... you choose it to run OSX. I think they could care less about Dell or Boxx having faster Woodcrest machines out, simply because those machines don't run OSX. Apple will choose it's processor on what makes sense for the market for their long-term stategy, not on what other companies are doing. It's the only way they can compete... by doing things differently and offering products exclusive to the Apple platform. For me, if the computer I run my apps on was more important than the work I need to do, then I'd just build my own computer and stick XP or Linux on it. However, I need OSX , so I'm stuck with whatever Apple is selling at the moment. You don't choose Apple because of how fast their machines are.. you choose Apple for a variety of reasons other than speed of processor. If speed were truly an issue, you would go elsewhere. Apple knows this and it's why you won't see them scrambling to keep up with the most current processor.
 
THX1139 said:
Finally, I really don't think Apple is worried about keeping up with Dell (or any other computer maker) in the hardware department. They like to think the primary reason to choose Apple is not for the hardware... you choose it to run OSX. I think they could care less about Dell or Boxx having faster Woodcrest machines out, simply because those machines don't run OSX. Apple will choose it's processor on what makes sense for the market for their long-term stategy, not on what other companies are doing. It's the only way they can compete... by doing things differently and offering products exclusive to the Apple platform. For me, if the computer I run my apps on was more important than the work I need to do, then I'd just build my own computer and stick XP or Linux on it. However, I need OSX , so I'm stuck with whatever Apple is selling at the moment. You don't choose Apple because of how fast their machines are.. you choose Apple for a variety of reasons other than speed of processor. If speed were truly an issue, you would go elsewhere. Apple knows this and it's why you won't see them scrambling to keep up with the most current processor.

It is this line of thinking that sinks even the biggest champions. Well, just take a look of Sony. "We will sell 5 million PS3s just because it is a playstation", "Prices for PS3 will be $600", "Prices for games will be higher for the next generation", "Oh yeah, I forgot, you can't resell your games too".

Me? I will just wait and see how the PS3 is going to fare. If their optimism is half justified Apple wouldn't even be the leader of the digital music player industry that it is today wouldn't it.

Conroes in Macs Pros? Pros, say hello to Pentiums in workstation skin. No dual chip, no ECC memory, no nothing over competitive PeeCees, that's right, PeeCees. Personal Computers. Hell yeah right I would get it. Perhaps pros will see the light and end the cancer right there, why keep buying into the koolaid when it will pay off greater in the long run and just switch?

With regards to just how OSX is the platform for "creative" professionals, Oh Rlly? Just how professional are they? Even Pixar can afford to do their work on Linux. And the vast majority of "pros" out there are really wannabe pros who just thinks they are the next George Lucas editing a commercial for a brand of toilet paper.
 
Top Faceplate

zac4mac said:
"The plate which encloses the keyboard is plastic (!) AND gets scratched quite easily... I have friends who have the THIRD screen on their PBs... "

You're nuts - I'm on a RevA MBP 2.0G and the entire machine is aluminum - outer case, top faceplate, keys bezel. The only plastic are "gasket" pieces between the Aluminum and the antennae space on the hinge...

If you're right (which I doubt) I apologize. But even if, I have two friends with PBs, both top faceplate are scratched. ALuminum does not scratch like this, unless APPLE uses the softest Alu available, which again, I doubt. Just check it.

Appreciate clearing this up.
Best

:D
 
DeVizardofOZ said:
If you're right (which I doubt) I apologize. But even if, I have two friends with PBs, both top faceplate are scratched. ALuminum does not scratch like this, unless APPLE uses the softest Alu available, which again, I doubt. Just check it.

Appreciate clearing this up.
Best

:D

Actually I do think they are aluminium. Incidentally there is no such thing as "softest Alu", aluminium is a soft metal. It is the matt finishing that makes it susceptible to scratching.
 
Bring it on...

Bring on the out-of-focus photos of prototypes and boxes in elevators...

I am looking forward to something new in the professional desktop line - and I think it will be kickass*






*I just hope I have some extra money sitting around to get one!
 
generik said:
Actually I do think they are aluminium. Incidentally there is no such thing as "softest Alu", aluminium is a soft metal. It is the matt finishing that makes it susceptible to scratching.


Actually on a technical note there is a "soft aluminum." Aluminum in its purest form is structurally weak and soft. In the aviation industry we use alloying agents such as adding copper, manganese, or zinc to achieve stronger and more durable strength properties. You can give an aluminum alloy the strength characteristics of steel at a fraction of the weight. And its hard.
 
azzurri000 said:
I know cars are in a completely different boat than computers, but I think Apple should stick to its beautiful designs and only make minor changes to the models' formfactors like Porsche would do. If you've got a great thing, why completely obliterate it?
I'd like to agree with you, but then I'm reminded of Apple's case transition from the iMac G4 to the iMac G5. All that engineering, right down the tube.

I can appreciate the iMac G5 and iMac Intel's respective performance jumps, but they both lack the style and functionality that the iMac G4 case had.
 
Alright, I'm starting to get VERY anxious for a new MBP 17". Been waiting patiently to upgrade my g4 'book and really looking forward to the Core 2 Duo. Just started selling off some old systems including my PM g4 1ghz dual, my antiquated--but useful--Pismo 500mhz and listed my dual 21" viewsonic monitors and a 1.25ghz Mini! :D

I made the decision to forgo a desktop Mac from now on and just use a Powerbook for my design work (maybe pickup a 20"+ LCD for more real estate). I figured with some of the new benchies I've seen that show the Merom to be faster that a dual G5, a MBP 17" will be more than adequate. I'm hoping that ATI will offer something insane for graphics/video with the Merom. Check this out: http://www.laptoplogic.com/news/detail.php?id=1092

Anyone have any new dirt on the Core 2 Duo (Merom) or potential graphics cards in the next revision MBPs?

Thanks all,
B
 
Estimated time frame for MacBook Pro

Hello guys, I am interested in purchasing the MacBook Pro (BMP). When do you think apple's going to start selling the new design MBP?

Last time I bought my Powerbook G3, a month later; Apple came out with the Ti Powerbook G4. So this time, I would like my toy to be the newer then a month. I still love my pismo, but; if only I waited a little longer for a Ti PB G4.

thanks for your help!
 
I know how you feel, my G5 lasted me a month or two and they had speed upgrades. I'm waiting on the MBP. Hopefully everything comes together but I rather wait longer and have less problems then something sooner and have issues.
 
GraphicArmy said:
Hello guys, I am interested in purchasing the MacBook Pro (BMP). When do you think apple's going to start selling the new design MBP?

Last time I bought my Powerbook G3, a month later; Apple came out with the Ti Powerbook G4. So this time, I would like my toy to be the newer then a month. I still love my pismo, but; if only I waited a little longer for a Ti PB G4.

thanks for your help!

No earlier than Aug. 22nd, most likely either the end of august or sometime early september.
 
craigatkinson said:
Apple is not including the 802.11n cards in the computers because its way too early. 802.11n isn't even certified yet. Some of the brands are just jumping the gun.

You're right. I see these companies selling these N products, but their labeled as "Draft-N". It's a little bit of time before certified N products make it to retail.
 
THX1139 said:
The answer to that is no. The reason is because we would have seen new desktops by now if they were going with Woodcrest. It's obvious at this point that the Conroe release is what is holding up the desktop release, not Woodcrest. Yeah, people can say "no, it's because Apple is waiting for WWDC". But, I say BS. If Apple was going to release Woodcrest machines, they would have done so by now... or at least began accepted orders. WWDC gets us closer to Conroe and that will be the chip they go with. I can see no other valid reason to hold up the introduction of the desktop line other than waiting for Conroe.

I'm going further out on a limb and state that Woodcrest will probably not make it into desktop at all. Hold on, hear me out... the reason is because, other than video, there aren't enough pro apps to warrant going all Intel Quad on the pro desktop yet. What we might see is two or three Conroe machines coming out around WWDC in brand new cases. They will keep the current G5 quad in the line-up until Macworld SF, then replace it with Kentsfield. Jobs will go on stage and say the migration is complete as promised. "... one more thing, we are proud to introduce the NEW Pro-line Intel Quad (Kentsfield) that is optimized to run Adobe CS3 that is coming out as UB.. next month!"

The more I think about this... it just makes sense. By holding off for Conroe, they won't get stuck supporting expensive dual configurations in the desktop line (Woodcrest and Conroe). Apple probably makes the majority of desktop sales in the dual chip category. I doubt they sell enough (precentage wise) to worry about Quad until Adobe catches up. Yeah, I know, there are a lot of Quad users... but not enough to force the Woodcrest chip when the software isn't ready. Apple is better off to get faster Conroe boxes out to the small business/studio owner first, then they can go after the high-end market when the chips and software are ready first quarter '07. They could even split the line-up like I mentioned in another post.

Don't expect to get your socks knocked off this year. Job's stated that this is a transition year (and they need to do it right). 2007 is when it's all going to happen! Those people who bought G5 Quads over the past 6 months are going to be really happy with their investments in the long run.

Finally, I really don't think Apple is worried about keeping up with Dell (or any other computer maker) in the hardware department. They like to think the primary reason to choose Apple is not for the hardware... you choose it to run OSX. I think they could care less about Dell or Boxx having faster Woodcrest machines out, simply because those machines don't run OSX. Apple will choose it's processor on what makes sense for the market for their long-term stategy, not on what other companies are doing. It's the only way they can compete... by doing things differently and offering products exclusive to the Apple platform. For me, if the computer I run my apps on was more important than the work I need to do, then I'd just build my own computer and stick XP or Linux on it. However, I need OSX , so I'm stuck with whatever Apple is selling at the moment. You don't choose Apple because of how fast their machines are.. you choose Apple for a variety of reasons other than speed of processor. If speed were truly an issue, you would go elsewhere. Apple knows this and it's why you won't see them scrambling to keep up with the most current processor.

Very interesting theory THX1139.
How often are you correct?
 
penter said:
i didnt know that the term "catch-22" actually existed. ithought it was just the book title, nothing else. the expression you used caught my eye, since i have just finished reading the book as a summer reading requirement for 11th grade english. anyways, thnx for the link :)

You too! I'm in the same situation as you... except I haven't started reading yet. :eek:

heisetax said:
Will Apple actually come out with a 3 GHz model? I would think that the first Intel MacPro's will not make it up to the 3 GHz speed. Maybe the 2nd Revision before that speed & the 4th Revision before most of us can afford one.

Dell has got them available now. Why must Apple wait? Some people will always be in the market for the top of the line models.
 
Hi GENERIK.

generik said:
Actually I do think they are aluminium. Incidentally there is no such thing as "softest Alu", aluminium is a soft metal. It is the matt finishing that makes it susceptible to scratching.

Here is a link you might want to look at regarding different grades of Al: http://mdmetric.com/tech/alumcomp.htm

I might add, that if you paint the surface of a metal/plastic, that layer can be scratched off easily, but in the case of aluminum there is a much better solution, which incidentally, has been used for decades in the industry. It is called ANODIZING. The surface layer of anodized
Al is not only colored in any shade you would like, but also hardened, therefore much more scratch resistant than cheap paint on APPLE's wonder of technology and design...

Best
:D
 
Last night I started to think about the new enclosures for PowerMacs. And the thing I would like to see is.... Hot-swappable hard-drives. Read on:

Xserver and Xserve RAID (and servers from other manufacturers as well) has hard-drives that can be removed or added while the machine is running. You do not need to shut down the machine, you just pull the drive out and/or put a new one in. The drives are available right in front of the computer. I would like PowerMac to have something like this. HP's media Center computer has something similar. There is a slot in the front of the machine, where the user can add a hard-drive.

I think that Apple could have four such hard-drives in front of the machine quite easily. If the user is using RAID, and one of the drives is failing, he could just pull the failing HD out, and put in a new one, with zero downtime. If he needs more storage, he could just put in a new HD, without downtime and without having to resort to external HD's.

Take a look at Xserve RAID. Imagine four of those HD's in front of the PowerMac. The appearance might be similar to the one in Xserve, or maybe they could be "holed" like the current PowerMac is. But anyway, it would look GOOD, and it would be very convenient (and innovative. I haven't seen other workstations with such a setup).

Apple already has the technology. All they have to do is to move some of it over to the new PowerMac :).
 
Thank you 3CCD....

3CCD said:
Actually on a technical note there is a "soft aluminum." Aluminum in its purest form is structurally weak and soft. In the aviation industry we use alloying agents such as adding copper, manganese, or zinc to achieve stronger and more durable strength properties. You can give an aluminum alloy the strength characteristics of steel at a fraction of the weight. And its hard.

Of course, Al is not Al. Many grades.... GENERIK is wrong, but seems a nice enough guy(?)
Maybe you can clear up the mystery about the top face-plate. is it plastic or Al (if so it is cheaply painted). Ghee, has APPLE never heard of anodizing...? It actually hardens the surface of the metal and can be done in any color.

Best
:eek:
 
mdntcallr said:
Hah! i have a powerbook, there are alot of things they can improve at apple:

1- Blu-Ray Drive So we can read and write HD, with dvd+/-R burning capability.
(if you think this is far fetched, Sony has already released a laptop with this)

2- Bigger hard drive option for purchase. I need as much room on my laptop in storage as possible, so i really want and need to upgrade to a 160gb drive. Apple should make this happen and allow the custom apple building with 160GB Seagate Momentus Hard Drive 2"5

3- faster wifi with better range

4- 2 mouse buttons. a right and a left one. cmon at this point this is just dumb.

5- the fastest available laptop graphics chips. the current ones are a bit slower than the best ones on the market. so cmon apple.

6- laps that don't burn cause of the heat! it is a known fact that the current macbook pro's run HOT as hell.

7- battery life that runs a bit better.

8- firewire 800

9- cheaper market priced additional ram for the computer. so i dont have to buy ram elsewhere and not have it covered by apple warranty

Don't get me wrong i love my computer, but the new macbook pro should offer cutting edge technology. The tech we have grown to love from apple.

These are the options i really want and need.

Apple, please listen


Very good point, I own a Powerbook too and I would love to see that change too. A cheaper market pricing would be great for me.
 
Dear all,

I'm awating the release of the MacPro, but i'm not 100% sure it's the right machine for me. Maybe an iMac would be better suited?

Main uses for my machine would be

Gaming ( MS Flight Simulator, New Flight Sim due this year, Half Life, Battlefield 2, Coutner Strike Source)

Making DVD's, Editing Pictures etc...

EMail/General Net usage.

I like to be able to upgrade my PC and i know i wont be able to do that with the iMac. I also know that the MacPro is goingto be one hell of a machine and it might be a bit overkill for my needs. However Flight Sim is very demanding and having the extra power for future games will come in handy.

Does anyone know of any spy shots of the new MacPro or are they keeping it well under wraps?

Thanks all

Darren
 
^squirrel^ said:
Dear all,

I'm awating the release of the MacPro, but i'm not 100% sure it's the right machine for me. Maybe an iMac would be better suited?

To be honest Darren, if the main focus of buying your new computer is to play games (as surfing the Internet, DVD burning and photo editing can be done on anything), perhaps your question should more in the region of: "Do I need a mac?"

I know they are cool, and now they run Windows too, and I'm sure you want one… But to be honest, unless you are going to get a MacPro, you won't have much fun playing games (as the iMac doesn't seem to be what you need either). This would be a very expensive game-station!

Don't get me wrong, I love my Macs and am all for people switching, but I fear your needs don't meet the offerings of Apple's range. If you did buy a MacPro, you would be paying a premium for something that is really designed to run Pro Video/Graphics/Music Appz.

It seems to me as though you'd be better building a specific PC that you can upgrade whenever necessary to facilitate your needs.
 
The quad core on one chip is not expected to be released until the first quarter of '07.
 
hahjr said:
To be honest Darren, if the main focus of buying your new computer is to play games (as surfing the Internet, DVD burning and photo editing can be done on anything), perhaps your question should more in the region of: "Do I need a mac?"

I know they are cool, and now they run Windows too, and I'm sure you want one… But to be honest, unless you are going to get a MacPro, you won't have much fun playing games (as the iMac doesn't seem to be what you need either). This would be a very expensive game-station!

Don't get me wrong, I love my Macs and am all for people switching, but I fear your needs don't meet the offerings of Apple's range. If you did buy a MacPro, you would be paying a premium for something that is really designed to run Pro Video/Graphics/Music Appz.

It seems to me as though you'd be better building a specific PC that you can upgrade whenever necessary to facilitate your needs.

Thanks for your thoughts. I had time to have a think about it and maybe your right.

I think what i'll do is buy a mini or iMac for the Mrs and then we can attach it to our tv and use it as a media centre and for iLife use.
 
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