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There is some context needed and it is not simply "because you are trans and we don't like trans so you are fired." I believe there is legitimate questions regarding the standards needed for the military. I don't know what that is, I am not American, but have no issue with certain requirements and not being altered for the sake of inclusion in certain fields like police, military and fire.

There is no pushing back here, pushing back generally means something on your record and you have to do it anyways or being let go. I am all for protecting freedoms of people but think it has swung so far that if even dare question peacefully then you are labeled with the worst labels like nazi, racist, fascist and other names.
You should see the labels the nazi, racist, fascist, and other-named people give to those who peacefully ask for recognition of their identity and dignity. Do you want to align yourself with the people that use such labels. Are you on the side of those who call us "groomers"? I'm not saying you're one of them, but surely you realize how evil it is to call someone that.

I think the banning of trans people from the military is exactly because "we don't like trans and so you are fired," because it has been accompanied by an executive order declaring that the United States will recognize only two sexes and not recognize any gender other than the one that corresponds to the sex at birth. And accompanied by a purging of any mention of trans people from government websites, including a National Parks Service website for the Stonewall Inn, which was the event recognized as the beginning of Pride. Trans people were prominent in that event, but if you get your history from the US Government, you will find that they have been erased. The site even mentions "LGB flags"!

There is no doubt that the policy of summarily firing trans people from the military, regardless of their service records, is part of a larger anti-trans campaign.
 
There is some context needed and it is not simply "because you are trans and we don't like trans so you are fired." I believe there is legitimate questions regarding the standards needed for the military. I don't know what that is, I am not American, but have no issue with certain requirements and not being altered for the sake of inclusion in certain fields like police, military and fire.

There is no pushing back here, pushing back generally means something on your record and you have to do it anyways or being let go. I am all for protecting freedoms of people but think it has swung so far that if even dare question peacefully then you are labeled with the worst labels like nazi, racist, fascist and other names.
Since you admit to not knowing anything about the basis of your opinion, here are a few facts. About 10% are classic warfighters. The vast majority are support roles. The best and brightest in highly scientific and technical roles need different standards not related to warfighters. Neither would do well or want to the other's job. But when the macho warfighter Sec of Defense had a makeup studio built then it's all CosPlay
 
Since you admit to not knowing anything about the basis of your opinion, here are a few facts. About 10% are classic warfighters. The vast majority are support roles. The best and brightest in highly scientific and technical roles need different standards not related to warfighters. Neither would do well or want to the other's job. But when the macho warfighter Sec of Defense had a makeup studio built then it's all CosPlay
In Canada every role even support has to be fit for service from my understanding. I am a type 1 diabetic and because of that I am not fit to serve, even in a support role. From a brief google search it seems to be the same in the US. I have no issue with standards being changed, but think things should go through the proper channels to change them. If in an overly simplified way the standard is you need to be fit to serve and that means not needing medication to maintain that fitness then I see no problem with this. I also see no problem with going over specific roles and changing things that might be more realistic and suitable for the role.
 
In Canada every role even support has to be fit for service from my understanding. I am a type 1 diabetic and because of that I am not fit to serve, even in a support role. From a brief google search it seems to be the same in the US. I have no issue with standards being changed, but think things should go through the proper channels to change them. If in an overly simplified way the standard is you need to be fit to serve and that means not needing medication to maintain that fitness then I see no problem with this. I also see no problem with going over specific roles and changing things that might be more realistic and suitable for the role.
This is what is known as sanewashing. You backfilled a reasonable explanation for what was clearly a bigoted decision based on a campaign of anti-trans hate to appeal to a religious right after the anti-gay hate became less successful.
 
There is some context needed and it is not simply "because you are trans and we don't like trans so you are fired." I believe there is legitimate questions regarding the standards needed for the military. I don't know what that is, I am not American, but have no issue with certain requirements and not being altered for the sake of inclusion in certain fields like police, military and fire.

It would be one thing if there were legitimate reasons for banning trans people from the military, and that it was done in an ethical way with facts and data to back it. The thing is, the facts don’t back the reasons stated.

And even if they did, how can they justify not awarding a pension/partial pension to those trans troops who are so close to retirement but are now going to lose everything? That’s just cruel.

It’s so frustrating when they say they’re banning something for potentially legitimate reasons that could be researched, and carried forward in an ethical way with care to those who served for us, but then do it in the most slapdash cruel way possible.

Can you see the difference?

For the record, I am against the banning of trans troops from our military. If an able body wants to serve, let them serve.

Now, if they are somehow not able, there should be an ethical and uniform way to determine that. For example, and I can already feel the tension even writing this but…

If a trans troop member were to somehow receive gender affirming care and therapy and after that still experienced intense dysphoria that during such episodes rendered them unable to do their job, I’d support removing them from service, but with disability benefits. The same way we do when somebody with undiagnosed bipolar disorder joins the service but then despite care and treatment is unable to perform their duties.

What the executive order did was none of this.

Do you see how easily there can be nuance and humaneness, and conversely how easily their dignity can be stripped in a way that we’ve not done to other service members who in the line of duty find themselves unable to serve?

For the further record, I also think there are pitfalls to my line of thought that could be expanded upon. I am open to being humbled.

For example, I can also imagine a situation where “disabled” service people are at least allowed to serve in non-combat support roles where their disability and episodes related to it have no chance of harming combat troops.

Sheesh, what a touchy subject but it’s how we go about discussing it and where our intentions lie that matters.

Obviously in an ideal world we’d have no need for armies or war.
 
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So now certain tone is worthy of the bigotry label.
Definitely, tone and inflection are just as important, if not more than what is actually being said.

Have a word with yourself.
The homophobic nature of the members on here is discouraging and embarrassing. Why haven’t the staff addressed this? It’s not contained to just this thread. It’s been problematic for years on macrumors.
I flagged and was palmed off…….maybe the mods are also part of the problem.
 
The homophobic nature of the members on here is discouraging and embarrassing. Why haven’t the staff addressed this? It’s not contained to just this thread. It’s been problematic for years on macrumors.
Just a guess but there are so many that they don’t want to do anything to reduce their engagement.

Or, worse, this is America, and these opinions actually reflect what a large portion of the population thinks. Hence Republicans.
 
Definitely, tone and inflection are just as important, if not more than what is actually being said.

Have a word with yourself.

I flagged and was palmed off…….maybe the mods are also part of the problem.
“More important than what is actually being said.” Wow. Did you put much thought into that comment?
Regardless I applaud you for setting the high standard of behaviour and communication for all. It must be lonely being on such a high horse.
 
The view’s just better up here. Some of us even brought snacks. It’s a long ride when you’re aiming for standards in these times.
Tell me, when you set these standards does it actually involve going out of your way, paying a real price, to make the lives of other people who are not related to you in any way that can’t ever repay you, actually tangibly better?

Or is it just inward looking to make yourself feel so sanctimoniously cool with all these jargons and feel good celebrations, and “snacks”, and then shaming people who don’t want to participate?

What do you actually do on the former?
 
Tell me, when you set these standards does it actually involve going out of your way, paying a real price, to make the lives of other people who are not related to you in any way that can’t ever repay you, actually tangibly better?

Or is it just inward looking to make yourself feel so sanctimoniously cool with all these jargons and feel good celebrations, and “snacks”, and then shaming people who don’t want to participate?

What do you actually do on the former?
Yes, actually. It actually does involve all that you’ve stated. Yes.

Sorry that it’s not as you posited, where it’s just inward looking. But you know what, inward looking is also very valuable, and something I wish more people would do.

No answer I give would satisfy you, and I don’t feel like doxxing myself. Thanks for your participation though. This might be the thread that gets the mods to notice how bad it has gotten. Or not.
 
Definitely, tone and inflection are just as important, if not more than what is actually being said.

Have a word with yourself.

I flagged and was palmed off…….maybe the mods are also part of the problem.
Possibly - I was flagged and banned for two days as I told another user to stop being homophobic, as well as “meta commentary”.

Interestingly enough, I reported two posts that were homophobic, and the mod team found no reason to action them.

Hypocrisy at its worst.
 
Yes, actually. It actually does involve all that you’ve stated. Yes.

Sorry that it’s not as you posited, where it’s just inward looking. But you know what, inward looking is also very valuable, and something I wish more people would do.

No answer I give would satisfy you, and I don’t feel like doxxing myself. Thanks for your participation though. This might be the thread that gets the mods to notice how bad it has gotten. Or not.
Yes, actually. It actually does involve all that you’ve stated. Yes.

Sorry that it’s not as you posited, where it’s just inward looking. But you know what, inward looking is also very valuable, and something I wish more people would do.

No answer I give would satisfy you, and I don’t feel like doxxing myself. Thanks for your participation though. This might be the thread that gets the mods to notice how bad it has gotten. Or not.
No, actually real answers would. But you’re not actually discussing in good faith. Just flinging the b word around like it’s nothing or supporting those who do then crying ‘mods’ when you’re actually getting held accountable for it by someone that’s just been called a bigot for no reason whatsoever and actually feels that that is irresponsible and inappropriate. I don’t cry mods though they can have their opinions. But I’ve hurt no one. Read through my posts.
 
No, actually real answers would. But you’re not actually discussing in good faith. Just flinging the b word around like it’s nothing or supporting those who do then crying ‘mods’ when you’re actually getting held accountable for it by someone that’s just been called a bigot for no reason whatsoever and actually feels that that is irresponsible and inappropriate. I don’t cry mods though they can have their opinions. But I’ve hurt no one. Read through my posts.

Pretty sure I never said bigoted once in this entire thread.

Here’s the definition though:

obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
 
Pretty sure I never said bigoted once in this entire thread.

Here’s the definition though:

obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
Cool then why are you talking to me if you don’t feel like I fit that description?
 
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Trump is pushing to have Pride month replaced with veterans month. The wallpaper would be similar to the black unity wallpaper that Apple does every year, where veterans at apple design it.

Strange how this comes up every year, BTW, from google...

"In the United States, November is recognized as National Veterans and Military Families Month, according to the U.S. Department of Defense. This month-long observance is a time to honor and appreciate the service and sacrifices of veterans and their families. It also includes National Military Appreciation Month in May, which is a separate time for recognizing all service members and their families."

If the current president isn't aware of this, BTW it is currently May, then that just shows how uneducated he is about the military.
 
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