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New Product Releases on the 19th?
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I know I am coming into the convo late, as I almost inevitably do, but is there any basis for the rumors of new product releases?
Anyone have a theory on what prices of the TiBook will be after they are updated to aluminum? 50 dollars for a similarly clocked? Any ideas?
Anyone have a theory on what prices of the TiBook will be after they are updated to aluminum? 50 dollars for a similarly clocked? Any ideas?
Well the East Fishkill plant where the 970's are produced was designed for the 90nm process (and better) from day one. The fact that the 970's are being produced at 130nm, is as IBM calls help pay the rent and get foundry customers on board immediately.
Its rumoured, that the plant will output 90nm from about November 03. Thats a very interesting timeline - very similar to the timeline for the 130nm 970 being produced from July for Apple's PMacs.
Remember, this process helps IBM get its output/revenue up significantly of chips from this plant. And theyre not moving to 90nm solely for Apple's benefit, the Power5 which will go into production early in 2004 will be produced on this process.
And lastly, can Motorola get the 7457 (currently rated max clock @ 1.3G) to scale much higher without heat becoming an issue again!. The 90nm 970 will provide apple with low power chips for the PB's all the way to 2G+. Do you think Apple would have much faith in Motorola achieving this with its G4's from its current yields?. I think not!
Originally posted by hasapi
The 90nm 970 will provide apple with low power chips for the PB's all the way to 2G+. Do you think Apple would have much faith in Motorola achieving this with its G4's from its current yields?. I think not!
They'll need lots of faith in Motorola for not looking into other options. I'm sure the G5 will sooner or later show up in a PB. But maybe more later than sooner.
Hmm. I'm gonna wait 'till winter. If the new revs. are anything like current models, I should be able to save on my heating bills
Originally posted by DrGonzo
True, though unless you live far away from campus (though it doesn't really matter if you're a full time student) and you don't have a desktop accessible you can go through college w/o a computer/laptop (though i wouldn't recommend it)
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Sheesh, kids these days. Remember pen and paper? Do they still teach you to write or did that go out with long division ?
I only got a second hand 286 once I had to do a club newsletter. I survived with that until I made the switch and got my first PowerMac G3 beige in 98.
Then again I did have to go to the computer lab every day. But I'm sure I hand wrote a lot of my work except for my final year dissertation. This was only 10 years ago. God... I've hit middle age... I feel a mid-life crisis coming on, bring me the cryo freeze tube, quick...
Sanj
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Even apple don't want anything to do with the "15 anymore...
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Looks like they don't want to even mention that big white elephant anymore........ I don't blame them
http://www.apple.com/uk/hotnews/
iLife Demo Days in Bristol and Bath
Visit a participating Apple reseller in Bristol or Bath on the weekend of either August 16th - 17th or 23rd - 25th and discover why the Mac is the perfect platform for your digital lifestyle. Apple will host a series of in-store demo days designed to showcase the latest Apple hardware and software, including the stunning new iPod range, the recently-released 1GHz eMac, and the jaw-droppingly beautiful 12" and 17" PowerBooks .
Looks like they don't want to even mention that big white elephant anymore........ I don't blame them
http://www.apple.com/uk/hotnews/
Re: Re: Year till the notebook
I unfortunately graduate in September, so I need to buy in August to get the discount. I'll also be moving and would really like a portable to take along.
I think I will have to place an order next week. Too bad that is just before the speculated announcement date.
I guess I will just have to pray for one of those "you got lucky and they updated your order" or be really upset at buying the latest discountinued model.
I unfortunately graduate in September, so I need to buy in August to get the discount. I'll also be moving and would really like a portable to take along.
I think I will have to place an order next week. Too bad that is just before the speculated announcement date.
I guess I will just have to pray for one of those "you got lucky and they updated your order" or be really upset at buying the latest discountinued model.
Originally posted by ssamani
Sheesh, kids these days. Remember pen and paper? Do they still teach you to write or did that go out with long division ?
I only got a second hand 286 once I had to do a club newsletter. I survived with that until I made the switch and got my first PowerMac G3 beige in 98.
Hey man, I'm agreeing with you about "kids" these days that think they need a computer for college. I take notes with pen & paper, i love it, i can easily conceal my doodles from prying eyes whereas a laptop i feel as if someone is always looking at what i'm doing (i know cause i look at the screen of other people). Though i know that's not what you mean, you mean longer (3+ pages) papers. With prices being the way they are now though it's quite easy to get a computer no matter what budget you're on. Bah off to work.
As usual this thread has degenerated somewhat into the old-timers (I'm one of them) ganging up on the college kids who so desperately need a new PB. If you really need a brand-new computer for the first day of school (HIGHLY doubtful. Hell, I made it through a good portion of grad school with my trust old SE/30 and no printer), then wait until the very last minute and see what Apple has to offer. If you think you can wait a bit, then wait -- the odds are that there will be something better out by then (there just has to be, right? right?!?)
But on a different note. . . . I just checked the Apple Store site, and it says that the 12" PBs are shipping in 3-5 days, he 15" PBs in 5-7, and the 17" same day. I haven't checked this before, so i have no reference point, but has this pretty much been the story in the recent past, or is Apple clearing the channel? I know the dates don't exactly line-up with an 18th or 19th release date, but it's close.
Man, the suspense, rumors, and waiting have gotten to me. I suspect that there are 4 types of people following these PB release rumors: 1) those who think they need a new PB but probably don't, 2) those who know they don't need one but have the cash or the credit to buy one anyway, 3) those who don't need one and aren't going to buy one but just like to follow the rumors, and 4) people like me, whose old laptops have completely died and who really do need a portable and who are waiting to get the most value for their dollar (which to some means buying what is already out on deep discount -- more power to you).
I just know that if I buy a new 12" PB today, the new ones will be released next week. Just like how it always rains the day I wash my car.
But on a different note. . . . I just checked the Apple Store site, and it says that the 12" PBs are shipping in 3-5 days, he 15" PBs in 5-7, and the 17" same day. I haven't checked this before, so i have no reference point, but has this pretty much been the story in the recent past, or is Apple clearing the channel? I know the dates don't exactly line-up with an 18th or 19th release date, but it's close.
Man, the suspense, rumors, and waiting have gotten to me. I suspect that there are 4 types of people following these PB release rumors: 1) those who think they need a new PB but probably don't, 2) those who know they don't need one but have the cash or the credit to buy one anyway, 3) those who don't need one and aren't going to buy one but just like to follow the rumors, and 4) people like me, whose old laptops have completely died and who really do need a portable and who are waiting to get the most value for their dollar (which to some means buying what is already out on deep discount -- more power to you).
I just know that if I buy a new 12" PB today, the new ones will be released next week. Just like how it always rains the day I wash my car.
Instead of insisting that college students don't need a computer for college, have you actually been to one recently or seen the requirements? My teachers do *not* accept papers written on paper. They complain that it isn't professional or that they don't want to be bothered with having to read sloppy handwritting. If I try handing in a 10 page report on paper they'd give me an incomplete without even reading the thing. Beyond that, I have many classes that request projects which include Powerpoint and slideshow presentations...how would you do that on a piece of paper with a pencil? Then, there is the two years of computer class required...All of our computers are in the library and it is closed on the weekends and closed after 12 and doesn't open until around 7 the next morning, so if you need to do a paper over the weekend or something, you would be screwed without a computer of your own. Also, our computers in the labs do *not* have a HD for security issues against virus problems and such. You have to upload all changes to a private shared file, and at random times, they have been known to wipe out...mostly due to when the techs go in to upgrade the system, which wipes everything clean, thus losing your nice 15 page paper that is due next week....(this happened to me when I was forced to use the PC lap to do a project for my computer class and had an 80 slide Powerpoint presentation that I was going to give in 3 days) If you seriously think we do not need a computer for college, then you are seriously out of date on the times. Granted, we do not need the latest AlBook to do our work on, but if we are going to buy one to last us through college, the latest technology gives us that much more peace of mind so we don't have to buy a new one so soon on a cash strapped budget.
Sorry for the rant, but some people seem to seriously not know the reliance on computers these days in college and insist that we have a problem thinking we need a computer...and for those saying we don't need them right away...my first 5 page paper was due on the second day of class followed by a half dozen others by the end of the first weekend. Welcome to the upperclassmen years...you don't get a break simply because it's your first day back.
Sorry for the rant, but some people seem to seriously not know the reliance on computers these days in college and insist that we have a problem thinking we need a computer...and for those saying we don't need them right away...my first 5 page paper was due on the second day of class followed by a half dozen others by the end of the first weekend. Welcome to the upperclassmen years...you don't get a break simply because it's your first day back.
school computing
and some of us have to take notes, do outlines, and research even in the first week of school. it helps having a spanking new pb.
apple would be better off working around the schedule of the students/purchasers, than us having to work around their schedule. who is giving who money, for goodness sakes?
but as i said already, i'm not bagging on apple. i'm going to get whichever pb is available on the 19th. prefer update, but the price break on the ti will ease the pain, i hope.
and some of us have to take notes, do outlines, and research even in the first week of school. it helps having a spanking new pb.
apple would be better off working around the schedule of the students/purchasers, than us having to work around their schedule. who is giving who money, for goodness sakes?
but as i said already, i'm not bagging on apple. i'm going to get whichever pb is available on the 19th. prefer update, but the price break on the ti will ease the pain, i hope.
Pro portables - when?
I do pro audio & need a powerful pro portable...
The G4 portable line is supposed to be this.
HOWEVER, no level 3 cache in 12" (my first pick due to size; will hook up to second montior in studio). Level 3 is needed in these ancient G4's for audio/soft synth plug ins. The G5 doesn't need the level 3 from what I hear.
17" too big.
15" too out of date.
Besides, from what I hear, the 15" is real world faster than the 17". Go figure.
My philosophy: One "should" be able to buy any laptop in the pro line according to the size of monitor wanted (in other words, how portable one needs to be) and not according to the features required. Make the same features available across the board.
DOES ONE HAVE TO BUY THE BIGGEST, BULKIEST MACHINE IN ORDER TO GET THE MOST POWER? Foolish marketing in my books.
Waiting for the update. I need a new machine for portable pro audio.
Next machine is to take me through to the G5 portable (unless of course the next machine is this baby); however, if next machine aint much, might go used until the G5 is out.
Aryeh
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Apple user since 1987.
I do pro audio & need a powerful pro portable...
The G4 portable line is supposed to be this.
HOWEVER, no level 3 cache in 12" (my first pick due to size; will hook up to second montior in studio). Level 3 is needed in these ancient G4's for audio/soft synth plug ins. The G5 doesn't need the level 3 from what I hear.
17" too big.
15" too out of date.
Besides, from what I hear, the 15" is real world faster than the 17". Go figure.
My philosophy: One "should" be able to buy any laptop in the pro line according to the size of monitor wanted (in other words, how portable one needs to be) and not according to the features required. Make the same features available across the board.
DOES ONE HAVE TO BUY THE BIGGEST, BULKIEST MACHINE IN ORDER TO GET THE MOST POWER? Foolish marketing in my books.
Waiting for the update. I need a new machine for portable pro audio.
Next machine is to take me through to the G5 portable (unless of course the next machine is this baby); however, if next machine aint much, might go used until the G5 is out.
Aryeh
www.Har-Even.com
Apple user since 1987.
Even if new machines are released on the 19th (which just so happens to be my deadline for purchasing a machine), I wonder how quickly they would ship... If it would ship within 2 weeks, I could have it in time for school. If not, Ill use my old iBook until December. Did the new 15" TiBooks in November ship immediately?
I just think its funny that we keep getting our hopes up every tuesday and keep getting let down, but its gotten to the point where I'd rather go back to school without a computer and hold out than buy one and have an updated PB come out the next week. Let's face it, just about all of us have a roommate with a computer if we actually have any big projects in the first month of school. For any of my classes that require powerpoint, we can bring in our files on a CD and use the computer in the room to run the presentation. Anyway, I'll be returning for my second year of school and I think everyone could survive on an iBook, or howabout a shiny new 1.25GHz G4 desktop for hundreds of dollars less. It beats buying a Dell that will just fall apart of randomly stop working. I just *want* a new PB as I am currently using an 800MHz iMac that will no longer fit into my car with some of the other things I have bought this summer. I'd like to buy a Book that is actually faster than the computer I've been using for over a year now. Somehow it seems like a step backwards. But I don't need it. Hell, if I freak out and need a computer right after I go back I'll buy a 12" iBook and sell it when the AlBooks come out. My big beef, however, is with Apple not getting these things out before school starts, because it is a huge market. Whether they need them or not, kids buy tons of laptops before school starts, and everyone seems to be holding out, so Apple is missing big profits. Isn't this supposed to be the year of the laptop?
On a side note, although I love my iPod, I managed to buy it two days before the laptop promo started, so maybe that adds to my desire to wait.
On a side note, although I love my iPod, I managed to buy it two days before the laptop promo started, so maybe that adds to my desire to wait.
hmm...
ok.. here's my thoughts.. randomly ordered and crudly worded, mainly due to the vicodin in my blood stream...
3.0 ghz G5 power mac by the end of the year.. so sayith jobs.
year of the note book...ahh.. who cares this quote has been beaten to death...
However.. alot of people have stated that they feel the g5 pb would not be released unill th g5's were shipping... well, if the g5 are starting to ship...
A lot of specualtion around what chip will be in the pb.. most agree it will be another suck-o-rolla at roughly the same mghz.
However, jobs himself has stated that he knows that apple arebehind the curve and need to get faster.
The wait for the new pb's has been so long... why would they have a lackluster release after ~10 months of silence?
I am personally beginning to think apple really is holding out on pb releases untill they can get a G5 in there. Think about it. They hype the G5 as the next best thing to Tom Baker playing Dr. Who, then they are gonna turn around and release a low MGHz g4 laptop? (yah, yah, mghz myth and all that, but it does matter in the eyes of consumers)
I do not think that Steve's ego would allow such a thing. I think that the wait is because they are etiehr a) trying to get a G5 in there or B) trying to get a dual G4 17".
What's my basis? The same as yours.. some shakey logic based upon gut feeling and shakey rumours.
Anyways,
Off to la la land
_r
ok.. here's my thoughts.. randomly ordered and crudly worded, mainly due to the vicodin in my blood stream...
3.0 ghz G5 power mac by the end of the year.. so sayith jobs.
year of the note book...ahh.. who cares this quote has been beaten to death...
However.. alot of people have stated that they feel the g5 pb would not be released unill th g5's were shipping... well, if the g5 are starting to ship...
A lot of specualtion around what chip will be in the pb.. most agree it will be another suck-o-rolla at roughly the same mghz.
However, jobs himself has stated that he knows that apple arebehind the curve and need to get faster.
The wait for the new pb's has been so long... why would they have a lackluster release after ~10 months of silence?
I am personally beginning to think apple really is holding out on pb releases untill they can get a G5 in there. Think about it. They hype the G5 as the next best thing to Tom Baker playing Dr. Who, then they are gonna turn around and release a low MGHz g4 laptop? (yah, yah, mghz myth and all that, but it does matter in the eyes of consumers)
I do not think that Steve's ego would allow such a thing. I think that the wait is because they are etiehr a) trying to get a G5 in there or B) trying to get a dual G4 17".
What's my basis? The same as yours.. some shakey logic based upon gut feeling and shakey rumours.
Anyways,
Off to la la land
_r
Re: school computing
It helps but whats wrong with the current powerbooks? They will do a lot more than what you need them for, doesn't take much computing power to write a paper or make a powerpoint presentation
I just got a 12" pb yesterday, love it. I'll be using it for college as well
It helps but whats wrong with the current powerbooks? They will do a lot more than what you need them for, doesn't take much computing power to write a paper or make a powerpoint presentation
I just got a 12" pb yesterday, love it. I'll be using it for college as well
OK, granted, I have been out of college for a whopping two years, so I'm already old and college has changed soooo much, but I do remember these things called computer labs. I was a computer science major and didn't have a computer of my own until senior year, and even then I used the labs on campus for school work most of the time (stop by in between classes while already on campus). I have a hard time believing people who insist that they MUST have a computer and that it MUST be the latest and greatest.
Back to the rumor - I think that the current displays look great and don't mind using one with my G5 when it comes. However, I held off ordering one just in case Apple decided to update them in the meantime. I'll probably place my order late next week, hopefully it arrives at the same time as the G5.
Back to the rumor - I think that the current displays look great and don't mind using one with my G5 when it comes. However, I held off ordering one just in case Apple decided to update them in the meantime. I'll probably place my order late next week, hopefully it arrives at the same time as the G5.
Re: The Waiting Game
hmm, good point. a couple years ago, i was in the market for an imac. I was already to buy it until i got into it with a employee at circuit city. i was mad and put off buying my imac. within a week, the "new" ruby, graphite, indigo, and sage imacs came out. I bought the ruby. whats the moral of this tale? Im not sure, but i know it has something to do with being lucky in your purchase time. I was all set to get an old mac, but i just got lucky. you cant control apples time frame, so by when you are ready.
hmm, good point. a couple years ago, i was in the market for an imac. I was already to buy it until i got into it with a employee at circuit city. i was mad and put off buying my imac. within a week, the "new" ruby, graphite, indigo, and sage imacs came out. I bought the ruby. whats the moral of this tale? Im not sure, but i know it has something to do with being lucky in your purchase time. I was all set to get an old mac, but i just got lucky. you cant control apples time frame, so by when you are ready.
Apple has already said it'll be quite awhile before that happens.
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