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New purchase - Apple Power G4 Dual 867 Mhz

yes, probably. Since I was already on 10.5.8 before I installed CHUD. Uninstall it thru the remover that it came with, and reinstall after your update to 10.5.8. It is better if you download the 10.5.8 combo that update it using the Apple Software Updater.
 
ok having downloaded the 10.5.8 update and reloaded brand new copies of Chud and Nap i'm still getting the same message:

ERROR: unable to initialize CHUD.framework - CHUD
function: utilGetOperatingSysteminfo()
status: chudBootstrapFailure[-11999] (src/chudUtil.c:432)

any ideas?
 
I don't run script to enable it, i am enabling it manually from the preference pane in system preferences. It is because my dual G4 is always on and I don't have to turn it off. It is running as a server of my media files and my work station as well.
 
well colour me confused if my MDD isn't running at 34 deg after being on for 3hrs.

Nap must be working despite the strange message - is that possible? I've read of it not showing cache sizes correctly etc so maybe it is.

Anyone?
 
yes, it was not showing cache size, it shows none... my temps were to on the higher 30's on idle, but never cranked up as high as 58 like before I installed CHUD, that it maintains the temperature at 56 the lowest even on idle. Good luck with it and enjoy your PMG4 Dual MDD...
 
34c for 3+ hours means that nap is working perfectly. It's the only possible way that any MDD would ever be under 50c for 3 hours.

I remember some cooler mornings in the spring and fall of 07 when I had my dual 867.. the idle temp was 29-31c with nap + an extra 120mm mounted on the back. Even under heavy load it never got above the mid 40's.
 
4.8Tb in a MDD

its up and running!!!

4.8 Terabytes over 5 Hd's, 2Gb of Ram, Dual 867Mhz G4 processors and I'm a happy man!

Just need the graphics card to arrive and I'm pretty much done hardware wise. Then its just setting the machine up.

Thanks for you help so far guys'n'gals.

BTW no pictures as yet. Being a noob to tower based systems I didn't order long enough data cables so the inside is real messy. I think I'll just go for 1 meter length cables and cable tie them in place nice and neat. That will aid airflow as well.

One thing just quickly. As Nap is now working, is the connector that the main system fan normally plugs into throttled? Its just that at the moment I've got the fan plugged into a 12v supply and its running max rpm all the time. I would like to get it temperature controlled to keep the noise down even more.

I'll be buying SilenX Ixtrema Pro 72CFM,14dA 120mm Quiet Thermistor fan to install in the top of the case above the DVD drive caddy. That will help shift the hot air through the top of the case, that rises there and that the new graphics card kicks out along with the 2 sata controllers
 

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running a carbon copy cloner run of my itunes 1.3Tb library to its matching backup, a first run of time machine backup to another drive and checking for artwork in itunes - its making a steady 50 deg which aint bad for a machine with a 90% load
 
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ok, still waiting on graphics card. Wiring is neater now.

But I'm still having an issue with running video feeds from the internet. The MDD is ethernet wired rather than airport. Its really choppy with maybe 2 or 3 frames per second but perfect sound.

Could this be the video card? I've got 2Gb of ram now so that sorts that end of things. Will the ATi 9700 128mb DDR solve the issue?
 
jrko said:
ok, still waiting on graphics card. Wiring is neater now.

But I'm still having an issue with running video feeds from the internet. The MDD is ethernet wired rather than airport. Its really choppy with maybe 2 or 3 frames per second but perfect sound.

Could this be the video card? I've got 2Gb of ram now so that sorts that end of things. Will the ATi 9700 128mb DDR solve the issue?
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Sounds to me like the graphics. I get the same symptoms on my MDD with 32/64MB VRAM and at 128 they went away.
 
jrko said:
ok, still waiting on graphics card. Wiring is neater now.

But I'm still having an issue with running video feeds from the internet. The MDD is ethernet wired rather than airport. Its really choppy with maybe 2 or 3 frames per second but perfect sound.

Could this be the video card? I've got 2Gb of ram now so that sorts that end of things. Will the ATi 9700 128mb DDR solve the issue?
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What interface/app are you using to watch video and from what streaming source?

From what you explain I would guess you are running h.264 streams that may be beyond your Macs capability. My single 1.8 7448 G4 would easily outperform your dual 867 and I can't go above 480p h.264.

For the best video playback experience on your hardware I would restrict it to 480p and lower h.264 and DivX/XviD up to 720p. It's also all about the player you use. On PowerPC chips Quicktime generally uses up to double the CPU vs. VLC or Mplayer.

Give me specifics about codec and apps used and I can help you solve this issue no matter what video card you have.
 
zen.state said:
What interface/app are you using to watch video and from what streaming source?

From what you explain I would guess you are running h.264 streams that may be beyond your Macs capability. My single 1.8 7448 G4 would easily outperform your dual 867 and I can't go above 480p h.264.

For the best video playback experience on your hardware I would restrict it to 480p and lower h.264 and DivX/XviD up to 720p. It's also all about the player you use. On PowerPC chips Quicktime generally uses up to double the CPU vs. VLC or Mplayer.

Give me specifics about codec and apps used and I can help you solve this issue no matter what video card you have.
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Thats weird your Single 1.8 can't handle 720p h.264. My 1.67Ghz PowerBook G4 can... just. Possibly due to the fact mine has a very clean Tiger install (All it has is Logic Pro 7 and Final Cut Pro 5)... but Idve thought your 1.8 wouldve managed it.
 
chrismacguy said:
Thats weird your Single 1.8 can't handle 720p h.264. My 1.67Ghz PowerBook G4 can... just. Possibly due to the fact mine has a very clean Tiger install (All it has is Logic Pro 7 and Final Cut Pro 5)... but Idve thought your 1.8 wouldve managed it.
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It can just play it but some frames are dropped. I only consider a system capable if it can play a video without dropped frames and with at least 10% CPU to spare.

Other very possible factors:

-your 9700 GPU is both better than my 6200 and runs on an onboard AGP 4x vs my AGP 2x.

-10.4 vs. 10.5 would definitely make a difference in terms of 720p h.264. 10.5 taxes the GPU a lot more than 10.4 when core image support is there like both of our systems in question.

-system bus and memory are 67% faster in your PB

A 1.8GHz 7448 is certainly more powerful than a 1.67 7447 so the reasons above are what I would equate the differences to. A quick example.. my CPU score in xbench is as high as 96 yet my overall score has never been higher than 63. Geekbench score on my 1.8 is 1127.
 
zen.state said:
It can just play it but some frames are dropped. I only consider a system capable if it can play a video without dropped frames and with at least 10% CPU to spare.

Other very possible factors:

-your 9700 GPU is both better than my 6200 and runs on an onboard AGP 4x vs my AGP 2x.

-10.4 vs. 10.5 would definitely make a difference in terms of 720p h.264. 10.5 taxes the GPU a lot more than 10.4 when core image support is there like both of our systems in question.

-system bus and memory are 67% faster in your PB

A 1.8GHz 7448 is certainly more powerful than a 1.67 7447 so the reasons above are what I would equate the differences to. A quick example.. my CPU score in xbench is as high as 96 yet my overall score has never been higher than 63. Geekbench score on my 1.8 is 1127.
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Thats what I suspected, since mine can play 720p at 65% CPU under 10.4 and approx 85-90% under 10.5 (10.5 is an empty install on there though, since I prefer the speed of 10.4 on my G4s - Its just there so I can use my PowerBook as my main troubleshooting 'book). Im still surprised you haven't worked out a miraculous way to get a ATI Radeon 5770 in your G4 :p - My CPU in xBench is 87, so there is a bit of a gap. My overall score is... 74, which I guess explains it.
 
chrismacguy said:
Thats what I suspected, since mine can play 720p at 65% CPU under 10.4 and approx 85-90% under 10.5 (10.5 is an empty install on there though, since I prefer the speed of 10.4 on my G4s - Its just there so I can use my PowerBook as my main troubleshooting 'book). Im still surprised you haven't worked out a miraculous way to get a ATI Radeon 5770 in your G4 :p - My CPU in xBench is 87, so there is a bit of a gap. My overall score is... 74, which I guess explains it.
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The main point here is that his dual 867 is slower than both our G4's in question so he needs to go slightly below what we are playing on our hardware. 480p h.264 and 720p DivX etc. will be fine on his MDD.

Once he gets the 9700 though the core image support over AGP 4x will certainly help a lot.
 
jrko said:
Its only BBC iPlayer and TVcatchup.com. Youtube is better but still glitchy
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For iPlayer use iPlayer Grabber which will allow you to directly download the streams that you can later delete. Once you have the file on your drive use the G4 optimized Mplayer I created this thread to share. Be sure to set the Mplayer preferences the way I show there for best results.

I will look into a tvcatchup solution. Does it use flash? If so then Firefox with the FlashGot extension should do the trick to download them and then use Mplayer like the iPlayer videos.

As for youtube I am shocked you have not heard of Mactubes. Simply set the player setting in preferences to Quicktime and it will play youtube without even breaking a sweat. The fact that there is no need to go to the site or download the videos first makes it practical and also makes a new user experience without the ads and comments. You can see comments in video info though.
 
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jrko said:
Unfortunately the heat sink/fan has become detached.

Can I use the MX-2 paste I used on the CPU's?
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Paste is paste when it comes to CPU and GPU at least. Is the heatsink affixed with the standard double posts on opposite corners with springs? If so just be sure not to crush the GPU because you need to use some decent force to get those posts in the holes. Try to only apply downward pressure on the posts themselves and do them one at a time while also being careful not to move it around so you don't mess up the paste.
 
Mactubes is spectacular for Youtube on a PPC.

OP, a great browser for PPC Macs is TenFourFox, it's specifically built for our old Macs.

This has been a very fun thread to read through. Those old PowerMacs are great machines. Glad to see another one fixed up.
 
well here is the damage.

I cant get the old paste off the gpu as its baked on hard! I've managed to clean the heatsink of the remnants though.

Will applying a layer to the the GPU be enough? Will the remaining contact area of new paste be effective or is it FUBAR?
 

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