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Do I read it right that the 15" base performs twice as well as the 13" base?

It is a synthetic multithreaded benchmark. The 13" has two cores while the 15" has four.

The difference in real world applications is obviously much, much smaller.
 
I'm surprised it wasn't a silent refresh like before. There's absolutely nothing worth mentioning.

There wont be anything worth mentioning the next 2-3 years on the MBPR except upgrades. The refresh was last year.
 
That's a cool tool! I have a mid-2011 15" MBP. Will coconutbattery work if I install it now or is only useful if you install it when you first get the computer to monitor the battery?

I'm not sure if accesses OSX's logs or just monitors on its own. :confused:

It should work if you install it now, as I believe OS X keeps a record of the battery. Doesn't do any harm trying the app though.

http://www.coconut-flavour.com/downloads/coconutBattery_2.8.zip
 
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My now almost 3 year old early 2011 MBP will be getting replaced with the 2.6 GHz 15" configuration with the Nvidia 750M :)
Can't believe my battery is completely shot in my 2011 laptop already.

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Wow, you got a defective battery. You really should have taken that back to them.

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My now almost 3 year old early 2011 MBP will be getting replaced with the 2.6 GHz 15" configuration with the Nvidia 750M :)
Can't believe my battery is completely shot in my 2011 laptop already.

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You should have waaaaay more cycles, you killed your battery because you never used it.
 

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The inevitable sign of the potential demise of MacBooks

Absolutely appalling to see MacBook pros without any real innovation after this long. The same form factor and just upgraded hardware.
No significant change to the FaceTime camera?

It's a sign that apple is trying to phase them out. There's no real market for laptops anymore. It's no wonder there's never going to be a resurrection of the 17 inch and very soon there's not going to be anymore MacBooks.

I think it's waste of money to upgrade especially for those with the most recent MacBook pros. If you're looking for a new MacBook , go for it otherwise hang tight. They may well be a better ipad with a similar screen size to a MacBook not too in the distant future.

On that note akunamatata
 
Yeah...I got the same exact 13,184 score. Interesting. According to this article, the new model scores even worse.

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/136337

Everyone seems fixated on the CPU performance, but what really seems to interest me in the idea of getting the new model is the fact that the READ/WRITE speeds of the SSD are much faster. Your CPU can only crunch so much data when its waiting on the data to get/be delivered. If you're simply surfing the internets, then this wasn't your machine in the first place.

It seems I actually quoted your score (because it was the fastest ;-)

Interesting point about the SSD. Although to really see the difference in sequential read/writes you'd need to be moving HUGE files around on your internal SSD. All the time. Which would mean that you'd probably have them stored on an external TB HD anyway (like my mutant LaCie LBD 1TB SSD RAID... Which I never use for moving large files around.)

I think when it comes to responsiveness, sequential read and write speeds aren't really a good indicator of perceived performance. And we're supposed to believe that with Maverick's compressed RAM there's no need for virtual memory any more. I remember when I had to fit programs into less than 600K RAM by tweaking autoexec.bat and config.sys files ... to think how things have changed gets me all teary. Sometimes.
 
Can any provide solid data showing the performance increase over the last gen MBP, which used the i7-3840QM.

I'm also curious how this compares with the CPU used in the current upgraded iMac's.
 
and why would us, the customers, want the prices to stay inflated? i'd rather have the usual competition going with everyone lowering their prices as the tech becomes more common. if apple does charge their normal high markup.. i don't think they will be able to compete anyway. samsung and sony own that market. even with apple's reputation.. being new to that market will not let them get away with marking up their tv's, if they even introduce one.

Trust me, Sony and Samsung don't want to be giving away their TVs, the market has forced them to. If Apple came to market with a 4K TV prior to the race to the bottom it will be bad for customers but great for Apple. If Apple comes in after the price wars on 4K sets they are screwed in the market.
 
Does Haswell means that the Macbook body will feel cooler on my lap? much cooler when running OpenCL?
CPUs turn electricity into heat. When longer battery life comes from a more energy-saving processor not a bigger battery, than yes less heat (or rather the same amount of heat spread over a longer period of time).
 
Geekbench score comparisons:

Early 2013 rMBP 2.7 GHZ (top spec) - 13184
Late 2013 rMBP 2.6 GHZ (top spec?) - 12841

Hmmm.

Yeah...I got the same exact 13,184 score. Interesting. According to this article, the new model scores even worse.

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/136337

Everyone seems fixated on the CPU performance, but what really seems to interest me in the idea of getting the new model is the fact that the READ/WRITE speeds of the SSD are much faster. Your CPU can only crunch so much data when its waiting on the data to get/be delivered. If you're simply surfing the internets, then this wasn't your machine in the first place.

You're comparing a 32bit test to a 64bit test. That's why it's higher.
 
But, Apple still hasn't done squat in terms of introducing any new products since Steve Jobs passed. They're just drifting along aimlessly just like they did the first time after Jobs left.

Um, they've introduced lots of new products. iPhone 5, 5c, 5s, new iPads, new iMacs, retina macbook pros, new mac pro...

Did you mean new product lines, like the iPad mini? Or even, arguably, the retina macbook pro? Or seriously revised products like the new mac pro? What on earth counts as a new product to you?

I just don't get the whining about lack of innovation since Jobs died... there's lots of it, but apparently none of it counts.
 
My 1.3 Air gets 2376/4468 for single/multi on the 32bit test.

So a bit more powerful those 13" are!

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You should have waaaaay more cycles, you killed your battery because you never used it.

Pretty sure it's a myth that keeping the power cable in will lower the battery health faster?
 
Really a shame that Apple hasn't put a quad-core option for the 13" rMBP. Battery life and thinness takes precedent over performance. The 13" is really starting to lag behind in CPU performance.
 
Couldn't agree more. The GPU is underpowered on the current 15" - piss-poor performance for a £3000 laptop.

Huh? If you're referring to UI and scrolling lag, that's gone in Mavericks. It was always a software issue.

The GPU is more than capable to push the required number of pixels. I run my rMBP along with two thunderbolt displays, and that's a whole lot of pixels. And with Mavericks, there is no hit to performance. The original problems arose from caching and scaling routines performed in software and Mavericks has been re-written to offload as much as possible in that regard onto the GPU.

The machine already can't supply enough power to the GPU at full load. If you want more power you'd need to have a thicker chassis, and then everyone would complain that it is too thick, not as thin as the MBA, and that their laps get too hot when they use the machine as a "laptop". Or that the fans come on too often and are too loud.

The rMBP is a balancing act, and a very fine one at that.

Also, 3000 pounds?? Is that how much they now cost in the UK? I live in a third world country and pay more than the exchange rate would have one believe, but that still sounds like too much.
 
2010 MacBook Pro here

The discrete GPU absolutely murders my battery life.

Open MS Office, Chrome, System Preferences, Firefox, or pretty much anything else kicks in the NVidia GPU.

I get about ~3 hours of battery life.

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I'm going with Intel-only next time. I'm happy to see the *high-end* Retina MacBook Pro can be purchased without an NVidia chipset!
 
It is a synthetic multithreaded benchmark. The 13" has two cores while the 15" has four.

The difference in real world applications is obviously much, much smaller.

It will be smaller for single threaded applications but even then the difference will be exactly the same if you are running multiple applications at once.
 
The 13" Pro is for us people who want the cheapest notebook with Retina display no matter how much non-faster it is.

No, the 13" is for people who want the smaller and lighter form factor of a 13" but need more power and flexibility of a MacBook Pro over an MBA.

If a 13" 2.6 i7 quad, 512GB, 16GB ram discreet graphics machine were available for the same price as the 15" with the same specs, you can bet a ton of people would buy it over the 15".

I have had the 17" once and 4 x 15"'s since the Ti-400, the 13" form factor is by *far* the best size for my active, not stuck in a cubicle lifestyle and I see that size a lot more than the 15" while traveling too.

I think the specs on the maxed 15" are fantastic, but the size is totally a no-go for me so the 13" it is and not at all about the money saved...
 
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Absolutely appalling to see MacBook pros without any real innovation after this long. The same form factor and just upgraded hardware.
No significant change to the FaceTime camera?

It's a sign that apple is trying to phase them out. There's no real market for laptops anymore. It's no wonder there's never going to be a resurrection of the 17 inch and very soon there's not going to be anymore MacBooks.

I think it's waste of money to upgrade especially for those with the most recent MacBook pros. If you're looking for a new MacBook , go for it otherwise hang tight. They may well be a better ipad with a similar screen size to a MacBook not too in the distant future.

On that note akunamatata

What? Did you complete ignore the introduction of the Retina Macbook Pro only last year? Madness.
 
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My now almost 3 year old early 2011 MBP will be getting replaced with the 2.6 GHz 15" configuration with the Nvidia 750M :)
Can't believe my battery is completely shot in my 2011 laptop already.

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dude, you should have taken that in a while ago. If you get below something like 80% in 2-3 years, apple will replace the battery. It's not a STATED policy, but it has been done many times.

also: why are there no 64 bit results yet, is everyone posting to geekbench too cheap to buy geekbench?
 
You're comparing a 32bit test to a 64bit test. That's why it's higher.

You're right, sorry. The 2.6 GHZ seems to score about 1000 points higher than the early 2013 2.7 GHZ (eg, 12784 vs 11901) on the 32-bit test.
 
Apples shift away from discs and never adopting bluray is kinda screwing them in the TV market. Its the perfect time for them to enter as the 4K transition is just beginning, they could release a 4K set, charge their normal high markups and it may slow their competitors race to the bottom and give them a couple of years of high market share like the iPad has enjoyed.

and why would us, the customers, want the prices to stay inflated? i'd rather have the usual competition going with everyone lowering their prices as the tech becomes more common. if apple does charge their normal high markup.. i don't think they will be able to compete anyway. samsung and sony own that market. even with apple's reputation.. being new to that market will not let them get away with marking up their tv's, if they even introduce one.

100% radiohead14. I've often wondered why consumers want Apple to charge high margins. It seems to be a point of pride for certain people. Stock holder? I get it. Consumer? Flabergasted may be too strong of a word but not by much. It's not even a criticism. I'm genuinely curious how a person develops an affinity for a company's high margin. Maybe it's passion. All companies need to make a profit, but I can honestly say I've never cared how much profit any company makes.

Me? I'm more concerned with the value to me. Line up the products. Which meets my need best? That's what I choose. Then where can I get it for the best price. How much profit that company makes is never a variable in that equation.

off topic I know... apologies :eek:
 
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