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Are people honestly bitching that Apple will be using components that will be rated for longer term use than their consumer models? Any idiot can figure out that's what they mean by "Server grade".
It could help to, you know, get rid of the ridiculous thermal constraints that have to be the single biggest reason for iMac componen failure. iMacs are **** workstations because when you actually put one to heavy use, it will run at absurd temperatures reducing expected lifetime of the components, now because they lack ECC or Xeon CPUs.
 
Meanwhile, the "revolutionary" 2016 MacBook Pro, with all its anaemic glory, hasn't exactly caused a revolution in the industry. Quite the opposite, as Apple used to top this chart since 2010. Cupertino's apologists may be purposefully obtuse, but the market sure isn't.

At this point, I put little trust on anything that comes out of Apple's fabled "pipeline". Hope I'm proven wrong.

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Much of that is because Apple is the one of the few without a real touchscreen laptop (which many of us don't want).

As far as the iMac, I'll stick with my Mac Pro 4,1 until it dies or Apple designs a real replacement. If it dies before there is a real replacement (not the current Mac Pro), I'll try to get it fixed, get a used old Mac Pro or switch to a Windows machine. No iMac (pro or otherwise) for me.
 
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Sorry, Apple. Too little, too late. I transitioned my architecture practice to Windows 2 years ago because you completely ignored the needs of users like me, and provided no roadmap on which we could make our equipment purchases.
How strange that you aren't using the newish 5k iMac, which the architects i know are quite happy with. You didn't and don't need a Pro.
 
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I don't care about a "thin" computer...I'm not carrying it around in my pocket. I really hope Ive puts that obsession aside for the good of iMac consumers.

Beefed up hardware is welcome, although I hope they didn't make us wait so long just to give CPU and GPU a bump. I'd really like to see support for the Apple Pencil so creatives don't need to buy Cintiqs anymore. I'm sure Apple's designers have Cintiqs...hasn't it dawned on them yet they could offer that functionality? I don't care if it's only available on the highest end model; as long as the price increase is less than a Cintiq it'll be worth it. The Surface Studio is very tempting but we just don't like Windows. Come'on Apple!
In a recent Q and A, Phil Schiller made it clear there will not be touch screen Macs. Apple's philosophy on this is if you want to draw/design, use an iPad Pro.
 
Sounds like a catch-22, iMacs aren't upgradable either and these pro-grade models (if they make it to market) certainly won't be cheap nor upgradeable.
They could make the iMac thicker, with two removable covers on the back to access ram, GPU and CPU.
Add in Tbolt 3 or better and away you go.
 
Considering the iMac is already going on 2 years old and it easily beats the Mac pro 4 core with 16-32GB of ram in many speed tests, an improved "pro" iMac is not very unlikely. (I'm not saying these tests are completely fair, etc. They are what they are.)

Apparently, Apple can more easily boost the iMacs performance AND profit from it than improve the Mac Pro in the same time (since it obviously hasn't even "bumped" it in over 3 years).

Whatever they release, it won't be for everyone. It will be something.
 
It could help to, you know, get rid of the ridiculous thermal constraints that have to be the single biggest reason for iMac componen failure. iMacs are **** workstations because when you actually put one to heavy use, it will run at absurd temperatures reducing expected lifetime of the components, now because they lack ECC or Xeon CPUs.
....No one here at the House of Mouse seems to think they're ******. Hours and hours of content millions of people view every day get created by iMacs (and MBP's) here without issue. Now, they're not doing scientific modeling or anything, but iMacs are not ****** workstations for most people, they're night and day in a different class of usability compared to where the line sat in the 209/2010....
 
I don't want Xeon in my iMac until QuickSync is integrated. The Mac Pro is much slower at processing single-pass video in compressor and FCPX. The newer dual-core MacBook Pro with integrated graphics greatly outperforms my 6-Core Mac Pro due to this when compressing 4K video. Since most people are using the video on YouTube or online video sites, there really is no reason to use multi-pass as it's compressed anyway. I just want an iMac with the latest core i7, 32GB RAM and a 1080 ti.
 
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Apple may be finally seeing that all the pro audio / video / graphics / programmers have left in drove for the Surface Pro and all the other super fast and updated PCs on the market

Especially programmers they keep moving to android / windows / IOT

Apple will go out of business without 3rd party software and 3rd party apps

but it's Apple's fault:

1. they neutered root and geek tinkering on OS X
2. they neutered the Apple store
3. they neutered IOS

they basically neutered all the most important developer's tools and expect programmers to keep developing for MAC OS / IOS ?

Software engineer with a focus on iOS development here. Care to explain? The only thing I can think of that you're talking about on macOS is System Integrity Protection, which a. is good for the vast majority of users and b. easily disable-able for those who know what they're doing. As far as Apple's developer tools, they're the best they've ever been. Where iOS and the Apple Store are concerned, I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
Would be nice if there was at least an option to upgrade this "latest discrete graphics card" in the future otherwise this thing is going to cost way too much.
 
This.
The iMac is a consumer product and the Mac lineup is a mess.
There are MacBook Pros that are clearly not suitable for most professionals. Now they want to turn the non-Pro iMac into a product for professionals?
There is no logic behind anything Apple did to the Mac over the last few years.
except for most professional mac users being on MBP, second most on iMacs, then a 'single digit percentage' using a macPro....
sure, good points
 
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They can make the iMac a prosumer desktop by simply going back to the G5 iMac design. The easy to remove back panel provided quick access to the internal components.

iMac: basic upgradeability (RAM)
iMac Pro: limited upgradeability (Hard drive, RAM, GPU)

Mac Pro: fully upgradable (HD, RAM, GPU, CPU)
 
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Software engineer with a focus on iOS development here. Care to explain? The only thing I can think of that you're talking about on macOS is System Integrity Protection, which a. is good for the vast majority of users and b. easily disable-able for those who know what they're doing. As far as Apple's developer tools, they're the best they've ever been. Where iOS and the Apple Store are concerned, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Sounds like someone still pissed that they can't be attacked by malicious apps from the App Store like Android.

I remember the juvenile rants about 'freedom' and 'Steve Jobs/Tim Cook can't tell me what I can install', that conveniently died down about the time Google was saying they need to go more closed to save their OS' future.

On the subject of 'tools', Apple has gone a long way for their tools. Xcode is awesome, and for those still wanting Microsoft, they can use their editor app, which is pretty polished too.

But, whatever...
 
We need a upgradable VESA mount option from the get go! I don't want to need to decide at time of purchase if I need it or not. I want to alter it later, or if I have a VESA mounted system go back to a foot.

Peoples desks change!
 
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Looking at the Surface Studio, i think they will have to put alot more effort into the next imac.

which underpowered/overpriced surface studio are you referring to that can beat a 5k iMac? - the $3,000 version with a miserable 8G of ram, an i5 processor and small 192dpi or the $4,200 version with 32g?
 
We need a upgradable VESA mount option from the get go! I don't want to need to decide at time of purchase if I need it or not. I want to alter it later, or if I have a VESA mounted system go back to a foot.

Peoples desks change!
Agreed 100%
 
This is what I expect from Apple, a supped up iMac that can take the place of the Mac Pro for most people, and that is what Apple cares about..most people, not specific groups anymore.

But my gripe is the lack of timely upgrades. Okay, so you wanna keep your roadmap a secret and that is fine..but not so fine for those of us who need reliable upgrade cycles. Leaves us in the dark for years when suitable chips become available is not acceptable and has caused a big distrust between Apple and it's base.

The Mini should be not so mini and more powerful and upgraded every single year
The iMac should be upgraded every single year
The Mac Pro, every single year and do on..

The Mini should just be once The Mac and be more powerful and have swapable drives, CPU, and RAM.

In fact, Apple should sell motherboard kits like it did when they started. Let people build their own Macs around their motherboards..

These two ideas alone would grow their share of the desktop by leaps and bounds.

I use an iPad Pro most of the time now...for email, messaging and some apps. It's useful with the keyboard, not so much without. IMac has been broken since Dec, getting it back tomorrow and will then sit and wait or buy a Dell...who knows, but tired of Apple and their excuses and lack of updates. I do not trust Apple any longer.. and that is sad, because I used to trust them more than any other company, and that was for 20 years.
 
I imagine you will be able to spec this up to near "Pro" level. Of course it will be around $5000 in well spec'd form I would guess. But, it is a step forward out of what was abandonment.
 
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