New Study Suggests Apple Watch Heart Rate Sensor Can Detect Early Signs of Diabetes

nitramluap

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That's some pretty woolly science there. 85% accuracy is actually quite dreadful, especially for a screening tool.
 

MacTiki

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The one thing I wish Apple would do is allow extensible bands that hook directly into the CPU. That way another company could make something like a glucose monitoring band that connects to the watch. The third party would take care of the regulatory requirements.
That’s a great idea but it’s not within the Apple ecosystem playbook.

It would be just as likely they would allow and encourage upgrading hard drives, memory and graphic cards in their computers.
 

tl01

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I have irregular heart beats all the time, about 500 a day or more. I’m also in the Heart Study and never once was I contacted by anyone.
They are just collecting data. They don’t notify you of anything unless there is something truly emergent from my understanding. We aren’t supposed to rely on it for diagnosis etc.
 

ghanwani

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They are just collecting data. They don’t notify you of anything unless there is something truly emergent from my understanding. We aren’t supposed to rely on it for diagnosis etc.
The point is that the only people that will benefit from this are insurance and drug companies, not the wearer. I cannot believe that people are willing to give up their personal data for something like this. For free. I wouldn't give them that data even if they were paying me money.

$1 out of every $5 spent goes to sickcare in the USA. Everybody wants in on it, including but not limited to Buffett, Bezos, and Dimon. If you think this will benefit users in anyway, you are delusional.

Here is a nice example of tracking gone wrong...
http://www.newsweek.com/fitness-app...ion-secret-military-bases-around-world-793442
 

tl01

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The point is that the only people that will benefit from this are insurance and drug companies, not the wearer. I cannot believe that people are willing to give up their personal data for something like this. For free. I wouldn't give them that data even if they were paying me money.

$1 out of every $5 spent goes to sickcare in the USA. Everybody wants in on it, including but not limited to Buffett, Bezos, and Dimon. If you think this will benefit users in anyway, you are delusional.

Here is a nice example of tracking gone wrong...
http://www.newsweek.com/fitness-app...ion-secret-military-bases-around-world-793442
Don’t really care. My insurance company already knows my blood glucose levels and what my heart does. It’s not a secret. I go to the doctor. Data is valuable to me.
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That's the point. The main problem is people's choice of diet, but that seems to be the 200lb gorilla in the room. Fewer people would need treatment, if more people made better decisions about what they ate. Even the diabetes that's genetic, is triggered by diet.
But maybe with the data more readily available, they would heed the warnings. I get what you are saying and have made healthful changes in my life awhile back but I still like information.
 

Herky68

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I believe that many of you don't understand just how much effort and expense apple has spent on developing this research program. I signed up late last year, and several weeks ago they notified me that they had read an irregular heart rhythm on my app. I called them, talked to a Dr. on line, they sent me a state of the art medical monitor the size of an Apple watch which is applied with a sticky tape over my heart for 7 days, I kept it attached for a week, sent it back (post payed) and they contacted me within 3 days, they had me contact one of their research Drs. who went over the results of the week long monitor, they saw no further arrhythmia , and gave me confidence that the earlier abnormal pattern was not a problem , readings showed my heart strong, and healthy. My heart has a minor abnormal pattern that I have known about for 45 years, and I've had numerous heart evaluations required by my employers. I have worn a Holter Monitor numerous times, it's bulky , hard to sleep with, and only records a day or two, the device that Apple sent me totally blew me away, light, you can shower with it on, and records on an internal chip an entire week of heart activity. Please give Apple the respect they deserve for truly using their research budget to start the next generation of wearable health monitors. Yes, I'm a Fan.
 

chucker23n1

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Or you could have your doctor test your blood sugar every few months or whenever, thereby catching pre-diabetes early enough to perhaps prevent the full blown thing.
What world do you live in where people have a doctor’s check-up including blood glucose, “every few months or whenever”? I don’t know anyone in their teens, twenties, thirties (typical ages for T1) who even has that checked every five years.
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The one thing I wish Apple would do is allow extensible bands that hook directly into the CPU. That way another company could make something like a glucose monitoring band that connects to the watch. The third party would take care of the regulatory requirements.
That sort of accessory band function sounds good to me, but the technology isn’t there to do glucose monitoring that way.
 

macs4nw

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Wouldn't Apple run into the FDA and the AMA if it tried to make medical diagnoses??
I think it's safe to say that until Cardiogram and Apple both get the blessing of the FDA and AMA, the App's EULA will specifically contain (to which you as a user of the App will have to agree), all sorts of disclaimers, and will no doubt specifically state results should not be relied upon as medical evidence, and used to initiate treatment options, but if concerns arise to 'see your doctor or medical professional for proper diagnosis'.
 
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Relentless Power

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I believe that many of you don't understand just how much effort and expense apple has spent on developing this research program. I signed up late last year, and several weeks ago they notified me that they had read an irregular heart rhythm on my app. I called them, talked to a Dr. on line, they sent me a state of the art medical monitor the size of an Apple watch which is applied with a sticky tape over my heart for 7 days, I kept it attached for a week, sent it back (post payed) and they contacted me within 3 days, they had me contact one of their research Drs. who went over the results of the week long monitor, they saw no further arrhythmia , and gave me confidence that the earlier abnormal pattern was not a problem , readings showed my heart strong, and healthy. My heart has a minor abnormal pattern that I have known about for 45 years, and I've had numerous heart evaluations required by my employers. I have worn a Holter Monitor numerous times, it's bulky , hard to sleep with, and only records a day or two, the device that Apple sent me totally blew me away, light, you can shower with it on, and records on an internal chip an entire week of heart activity. Please give Apple the respect they deserve for truly using their research budget to start the next generation of wearable health monitors. Yes, I'm a Fan.
This is probably the most insightful post in this whole thread. I think this goes to show you that Apple really wants to define health related measures with the Apple Watch more than any other functionality it has. And I think bigger things are coming for the Apple Watch, but the amount of time Of research and development one day that hopefully will make the Apple Watch A necessity versus an accessory.
 

djcerla

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I believe that many of you don't understand just how much effort and expense apple has spent on developing this research program. I signed up late last year, and several weeks ago they notified me that they had read an irregular heart rhythm on my app. I called them, talked to a Dr. on line, they sent me a state of the art medical monitor the size of an Apple watch which is applied with a sticky tape over my heart for 7 days, I kept it attached for a week, sent it back (post payed) and they contacted me within 3 days, they had me contact one of their research Drs. who went over the results of the week long monitor, they saw no further arrhythmia , and gave me confidence that the earlier abnormal pattern was not a problem , readings showed my heart strong, and healthy. My heart has a minor abnormal pattern that I have known about for 45 years, and I've had numerous heart evaluations required by my employers. I have worn a Holter Monitor numerous times, it's bulky , hard to sleep with, and only records a day or two, the device that Apple sent me totally blew me away, light, you can shower with it on, and records on an internal chip an entire week of heart activity. Please give Apple the respect they deserve for truly using their research budget to start the next generation of wearable health monitors. Yes, I'm a Fan.
This is just amazing and deserves a full article on MacRumors.
 

T909

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These devices can't be trusted anyways.
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Or you could have your doctor test your blood sugar every few months or whenever, thereby catching pre-diabetes early enough to perhaps prevent the full blown thing.
Or you could test your blood sugar at home by yourself and also blood pressure.
If you want to measure your blood pressure the mercury ones are the most trustworthy. ;)
 

[AUT] Thomas

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These devices can't be trusted anyways
You miss the point. It's not a primary diagnosis device.
This is basically what's been done on commercial airliner engines for decades: Engine Condition Trend Monitoring: You analyse a lot of different engines and compare them to each other and to each engine's own history. It doesn't tell you what's wrong with the engine exactly, but (e.g.) a negative trend of a low freqency vibration indicates there might be a problem on the low pressure spool. This allows for troubleshooting before the problem is beyond limits and causes a cockpit indication, grounding the aircraft. Same applies here. The watch measurements are not a diagnosis by themselves, but an indication, that something might be comming up and/or should be diagnosed.

If that's required or necessary on humans... maybe not... consider it an additional insurance for which you pay by privacy. Maybe it's never benefical to you, maybe it saves your life.
 
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snoonw

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the hrm on apple watch isnt very particularly good but only full blown smart watch with best hrm is the polar m600 does that mean that watch will have 100% accuracy.
polar m600 has 6 sensor optical hrm
 
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