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yinz said:
Windows 8 will drop DVD playback capability. Is this relevant?
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Nope.

yinz said:
I'm not sure, but from just reading the title, it seems so.
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The title is misleading. Windows media player is dropping that functionality from the free version. Of course the people actually using windows to watch a DVD probably aren't using windows media player in the first place, which is why it's getting dropped. VLC and a whole host of better free players are available to do the same thing.

yinz said:
Even if you don't want to pay more to watch your DVD's, the trend is definitely moving that way.
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Have you actually been reading this thread? The use isn't to watch DVDs, it's to rip them. Ditto for CDs. Windows already can't rip a DVD without downloading other software.
 
Stolz25 said:
The title is misleading. Windows media player is dropping that functionality from the free version. Of course the people actually using windows to watch a DVD probably aren't using windows media player in the first place, which is why it's getting dropped. VLC and a whole host of better free players are available to do the same thing.
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How is this irrelevant? Windows is willing to drop a feature that you claim is important, and you consider this irrelevant? You might have to rethink your cause and effect paradigm.

I highly doubt windows cares if you use other media players. Just like they don't care if you use chrome or fire fox, they will continue making you use explorer. Somehow, I don't think other media players are a factor at all.

They are dropping it from Windows meaning you have to pay extra to use DVDs, remind you for anything? Ah-hem iMac-ODD discussion, ah-hem?

Stolz25 said:
Have you actually been reading this thread? The use isn't to watch DVDs, it's to rip them. Ditto for CDs. Windows already can't rip a DVD without downloading other software.
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You think that with computers that can't read DVDs, people will continue to burn them? You must be delusional, use some deductive reasoning please.

Just because you and a few other people on here like to make family videos for your friends and neighbors doesn't mean that the majority of the people that use these computers or even the majority of people that use their optical disk will burn or rip optical disks.

Please stop making gross over generalizations based on your personal experience, with your conceited overtones and your lack of deductive reasoning. It's tiring to read and frankly, starting to get irritating. So if you'd stop making ad hominen arguments, I'd be glad to do the same.

If you be a little objective and look at the trends of technology, it is undeniable that large hardware and software companies are willing to commit to this vision of a future without the optical bay, which consequently would explain why apple would remove the optical bay sooner rather than later and contradict your frequent conjectures about optical bay use.
 
russofris said:
1: Regarding your first point. I do believe that Apple could move to an mechanical-less iMac (much like the Air) without raising the price, and continue to earn a hefty premium. Apple would likely use a Samsung 830 given their current relationship with Samsung. Apple wouldn't simply recoup the cost from the removal of the HDD and ODD, they would stand to gain tremendously from the improved reliability of SSDs. Quite a few iMacs fail and require warranty service due to a bad HDD or ODD. The associated warranty burden would (nearly) cease to exist with flash-only PCs. Take a look at the HDD and ODD failure rates on the Air as an example, oh, wait, there are none.

2: You are correct that local storage options will be smaller. If it's any consolation, the storage will be faster. Anandtech recently wrote a writeup on the 830 and some USB 3.0 devices. While I am completely satisfied with the 830's performance, this first generation of USB thumb drives left me unimpressed. On the bright side, the results do give an indication that there is the potential for the second generation of drives to be extremely performant. Imagine, a 64GB thumb drive for $20 that is double or triple the performance of your current mechanical HDD.

ODDs and mechanical HDDs will be likely be moved to external enclosures where consumers get to choose the features and capacities they deem necessary. Consumers without the need or means for external storage will likely store their data in the cloud.

This is probably how things will play out in the near future. As a technologist, I'd be happy if it happened this year. I can understand why others are resistant, and wouldn't be surprised if Apple held out for another year.
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please don't change what i said like that.. at least do it in your own post and not in the quote, thank you very much.
 
macmastersam said:
please don't change what i said like that.. at least do it in your own post and not in the quote, thank you very much.
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Sorry about that, I should have used something other than quote blocks, but wanted you to see the quote notification. Apologies if I misinterpreted your two main points.

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yinz said:
Lol, I also wanted to comment on this earlier. You should put your Cheerios in a safer location.
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For the first three years of your child's life, you will have Cheerios EVERYWHERE! There's nothing you can do about it. You can vacuum daily, get a roomba, hire a maid, and ban Cheerios from the premesis outright. It doesn't matter. You will not be able to walk anywhere without hearing "crunch".

And when I say "EVERYWHERE", I mean it. This includes the places that you would never have imagined possible. Your sock drawer, your PS3, your HVAC vents, inside the fridge, in your keyboard mashed in between the keys, in your bed under your covers. Nothing is safe, nothing is too far out of reach, no crevasse too small, no carpet too coarse.

Like the deprecation of mechanical storage, this is one of the things that I have accepted after putting up a valiant resistance.
 
yinz said:
You think that with computers that can't read DVDs, people will continue to burn them? You must be delusional, use some deductive reasoning please.

Just because you and a few other people on here like to make family videos for your friends and neighbors doesn't mean that the majority of the people that use these computers or even the majority of people that use their optical disk will burn or rip optical disks.

Please stop making gross over generalizations based on your personal experience, with your conceited overtones and your lack of deductive reasoning. It's tiring to read and frankly, starting to get irritating. So if you'd stop making ad hominen arguments, I'd be glad to do the same.

If you be a little objective and look at the trends of technology, it is undeniable that large hardware and software companies are willing to commit to this vision of a future without the optical bay, which consequently would explain why apple would remove the optical bay sooner rather than later and contradict your frequent conjectures about optical bay use.
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Err, he said to rip the discs. Not burn them...
I personally rip all of my DVDs and CDs then never use them again. The difference is that I'm more than prepared to buy an external Blu-Ray drive to use every now and again.
 
djrod said:
An external ODD is not that much clutter:

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That desk looks like my desk. Just the glass top not the stuff on it.
 
yinz said:
They are dropping it from Windows meaning you have to pay extra to use DVDs, remind you for anything? Ah-hem iMac-ODD discussion, ah-hem?
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You won't have to pay extra. At all.

yinz said:
You think that with computers that can't read DVDs, people will continue to burn them? You must be delusional, use some deductive reasoning please.
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Lol, you've got to be trolling. Nobody can be that dumb. And you really should read articles before commenting on them.
 
Sacrificing an optical drive to save an inch is really not worth it. Yes I like thinner, however many people have uses for an optical drive. And with the thinner iMac would have to use an external drive. Is it a fair trade-off??
 
Stolz25 said:
You won't have to pay extra. At all.

Lol, you've got to be trolling. Nobody can be that dumb. And you really should read articles before commenting on them.
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Oh please. Burning is a much more valid argument since you'll be using it more than once. You are pretty narcissistic if you expect Apple to keep the optical drive in for you just because you haven't ripped all of your DVD's to soft copy yet.

DVD's only need to be ripped for media, and digital media is all over the web iTunes or otherwise. Ripping DVD's isn't even a valid argument in any professional context.

It's not because I couldn't read your post, I'm trying to find an ounce of logical reasoning in your argument. I guess I read too much into it. I don't even know why I'm coming back to this discussion, it's just getting out of hand.

This is all moot anyways. All of the views are on the table, and Apples decision will be revealed soon, so there really isn't any point coming back here.
 
yinz said:
Oh please. Burning is a much more valid argument since you'll be using it more than once.
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Look, when you first started in here your posts were poorly worded but I could usually figure out what you were talking about. That has ceased to be the case. You seem to have posted that article without reading it and are taking it to mean what you want it to mean.

Windows is not losing DVD support. One default program within windows is losing the ability to read DVDs. And it's a bad program anyway. You can replace the functionality with a dozen better free programs. And if you'd followed up you'd know they are already getting enough complaints about it they are thinking about reversing that.

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SuperDudeMax said:
The difference is that I'm more than prepared to buy an external Blu-Ray drive to use every now and again.
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I've said several times I don't mind losing the OOD if we gain something else. However, I don't consider losing a few millimeters in depth worth it.
 
I'd pay extra just to get rid of the ODD, even if it didn't get replaced with any new features and even if it didn't result in a slimmer iMac.
 
Occamsrazr said:
I'd pay extra just to get rid of the ODD, even if it didn't get replaced with any new features and even if it didn't result in a slimmer iMac.
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Isn't that kind of like going to a car dealership and saying you'd like to pay a bit more than retail for a car, but you'd like the air conditioning, heater, and stereo removed, as it will work without them, and you may not use them all the time?
 
Occamsrazr said:
I'd pay extra just to get rid of the ODD, even if it didn't get replaced with any new features and even if it didn't result in a slimmer iMac.
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Bubba Satori said:
Why? :confused:
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beosound3200 said:
'A designer knows that he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away' - Antoine de St-Expurey
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Stolz25 said:
Sounds like what you want is a very pretty box.
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Lastmboy said:
Isn't that kind of like going to a car dealership and saying you'd like to pay a bit more than retail for a car, but you'd like the air conditioning, heater, and stereo removed, as it will work without them, and you may not use them all the time?
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Stop feeding it, and it might go away.
 
Lastmboy said:
Isn't that kind of like going to a car dealership and saying you'd like to pay a bit more than retail for a car, but you'd like the air conditioning, heater, and stereo removed, as it will work without them, and you may not use them all the time?
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no, its more like you dont want cassette player
 
They could design an external ODD that blends in with the base. I can't say I no longer need an ODD entirely but mine rarely gets used on my iMac. If I had a MacBook Pro, I would get the adapter to replace the Superdrive with a hard drive slot and go SSD + HDD.
 
dona83 said:
They could design an external ODD that blends in with the base. I can't say I no longer need an ODD entirely but mine rarely gets used on my iMac. If I had a MacBook Pro, I would get the adapter to replace the Superdrive with a hard drive slot and go SSD + HDD.
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I'm feeling the same. I've got a MBA and plan on getting an iMac this summer. I have no problem buying 1 drive to cover both needs versus basically overspending on two drive mechanisms.

In its stead I'd like to have SSD as a standard option even if it's only small enough to run boot and applications and caching. Retina display would be next.

Thinner wouldn't be bad either although I'd be most interested in this angle from a weight standpoint.
 
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