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desdomg said:
what??
these builds are leaked by developers, not apple employees. and they get nothing for them - they are just leaked because some idiotic and unethical developers wants to feel like a stud for divulging an apple trade secret away, breaking their NDA.
Actually, employees who leaked the software would be terminated. So it's a rather stupid thing for one of them to do.desdomg said:
I think it's likely to be leaks from developers.
I have at least 12 pieces of software that requires keys. 4 of them require 2 sets of keys as they have been upgraded along the way. Of the 12 software packages, 3 of them are from Apple, and 2 of the Apple ones are upgrades.tex210 said:
I would hate to see Apple require a Software Key for the OS, on the other hand, maybe they should require keys for the pre-release software and have each developer have a different key. Of course they could also bury a software serial number (different for each download) into the developer releases and then they really could track who released the software early. Oh of course and have the Key match the Serial Number.
Bear said:
They already know how many copies of something they sell. They leverage that against how much it costs to develop the software. They calculate how much they need to charge for the number of copies they sell. They have already raised the prices on the software. I think that if everyone who used software actually paid for it, the people who do pay for it would pay less.
desdomg said:
I'll reference a line spoken by Joe Pesci in the movie Casino, which I consider the second best Scorcese movie of all time, behind Goodfellas. Anyway, to my point, the relevant quote from the movie goes something like this: "If a guy helps you steal, even if you take care of him real good, he's still gonna take a little extra cut for himself. Makes sense, don't it?"
Apple can pay their emplyees whatever, it's human nature to always want more. Moreover, I doubt these tipsters are benefiting too much monetarily by providing tips to the Apple websites, it's likely more of a power thing. The old "I know something you don't" trip from grade school, modified for big kids. And from what I understand of it, that's basically what Apple employees equate to: big kids.
And I really don't understand why everybody is suddenly getting all high and mighty on this board, calling the tipsters who leak this information "unethical" and so forth. Do you people not realize that you are posting on a site called MAC RUMORS which would be pretty freakin' boring without the aforementioned tips and leaks? It'd have to be called something like "Mac Speculation", which might be fun in a limited way, but would certainly lack good conversation starters. Look at the big picture, people, and lighten up!
-Joe
Yeah, you're right. And of course half the people who pirate the software don't even really use it, they just want to have the stolen software as a victory point.swissmann said:
And of the ones who do use the pirated software, some are using it to make money. And therein lies how much damages they software vendor can claim from a person who is using pirated software.
As for someone who provides the pirated software, they could estimate the damages by the estimated number of copies created from the one the idiot pirate posted.
There is a bit of a difference between a bit of leaked information (rumor) and pirating software. And actually, there is a lot of speculation here. Some of the rumors get started from someone making a speculation.JoePike said:
About 30 to 45 days before they will be shipping it if past experience holds. They need to have the Golden Master basically ready to send off for reproduction so they know when they'll have the Tiger packages ready to go.MattG said:
Yea, I think that's a really good idea. I've never seen a poll like that, but I'd like to!swissmann said:
i am downloading my build as we speak from adc.
if you want to try it, pay the $500 and get the adc select membership that includes 1 copy of teh final version. You will also get the ADC mailings, which periodically contain an updated build. The $500 price tag is not that steep once you figure in everything it includes.
I believe this is apples first warning to the bittorrent community. they are losing a huge chunk of revenue due to pirated pro app, iLife, and the OS. The more people they have testing tiger, the better, however if people are pirating the alpha and beta builds, what is going to happen with the GM build? even more piracy.
if you want to try it, pay the $500 and get the adc select membership that includes 1 copy of teh final version. You will also get the ADC mailings, which periodically contain an updated build. The $500 price tag is not that steep once you figure in everything it includes.
I believe this is apples first warning to the bittorrent community. they are losing a huge chunk of revenue due to pirated pro app, iLife, and the OS. The more people they have testing tiger, the better, however if people are pirating the alpha and beta builds, what is going to happen with the GM build? even more piracy.
Good for Apple. I hope they nail these guys to the wall and make an example out of them.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy reading about what is coming, and this is good for Apple since it builds my excitement and I share this excitement with others.
But I would never download a torrent of a beta. Not because I am self-righteous, but because it is bad for Apple and I want to see them win. And leaks hurt Apple.
Plus, it's kinda like peeking at your Christmas presents before Christmas morning. It takes away a lot of the fun.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy reading about what is coming, and this is good for Apple since it builds my excitement and I share this excitement with others.
But I would never download a torrent of a beta. Not because I am self-righteous, but because it is bad for Apple and I want to see them win. And leaks hurt Apple.
Plus, it's kinda like peeking at your Christmas presents before Christmas morning. It takes away a lot of the fun.
Bear said:
Agreed. Especially since leaks are often vauge and incomplete (or even wrong, since they may describe a prototypical/early development product). The pirated tiger was a complete (if pre-release) OS.
Littleodie914 said:Yea, I think that's a really good idea. I've never seen a poll like that, but I'd like to!
Thanks for the support. I don't know if 2 people is enough support that it will make it to MacPolls though. Anyone else want to support the curiosity?
multi-question poll
I'd be interested in some additional info....
- Do you buy software legitimately, but then use it outside of the EULA
-- install a copy both on your main PC, and on your laptop - even though the EULA says that you need to buy a separate copy for each
-- do you let your partner (that's "spouse", for you red-state people) or child install a copy on his/her PC
- Have you tried pirate-ware, and then purchased the software after deciding that it was useful (adn deleted it if it wasn't)
swissmann said:
I'd be interested in some additional info....
- Do you buy software legitimately, but then use it outside of the EULA
-- install a copy both on your main PC, and on your laptop - even though the EULA says that you need to buy a separate copy for each
-- do you let your partner (that's "spouse", for you red-state people) or child install a copy on his/her PC
- Have you tried pirate-ware, and then purchased the software after deciding that it was useful (adn deleted it if it wasn't)
AidenShaw said:
There's lots of places you could go with this. I am just wondering if my perception of what people do regarding piracy is anywhere near the truth. I bet most people pirate in one form or another.
swissmann said:
If I need a program I download a trial...if need be I download it again. I don't like doing this but I have to until I save up enough money. But I am very close to buying a copy so that's fine for me.
Although piracy is a wide-range of things...if you say download a trial and then do it again it's piracy...well then give me an eye patch...Now I'm off to the online store for my student discount.
AidenShaw said:
yes. this is exactly what i do. always. i need to try the real thing and never trust demoware. this way i pay for what i need and pay it with joy knowing i get what i paid for.
and no, i don't have any pirate-ware installed in my computer. i don't even have illegal music. there are however some photos i don't have copyrights, but that becomes illegal only if i use such photo commercially without paying for it.
swissmann said:
Theft comes in many forms, and piracy is one of them. There are some very good statistics though that apply to fraud but also transfer over to most other forms of theft such as piracy and shoplifting. The percentages are pretty consistent the world over for the most part.
5-7% of most given populations are at high risk for fraud, piracy or theft in some form. High Risk means that if they see an opportunity and believe they can get away with it, they will try to.
An additional 20% is at moderate risk. This means that if they see other people getting away with it, and no one says or does anything about it, they may be inclined to do it as well, though usually on a smaller scale. Psychologically they usually have to find some way to justify it first though.
Documented fraud alone was greater then 660 billion dollars in the United States in 2003. Factor in the unfound or undocumented fraud, and the numbers go up to greate then 10%. Now add in all the other various other types of theft such as piracy, shoplifting, etc, and the numbers are huge. You can figure that the average, reasonably honest consumer (hopefully that is you) pays at least 15-20% (1.5 to 2 Trillion dollars) more for everything they buy to make up for the people who steal. Not only that, but YOU then pay an additional 15-20% in taxes to make up the loss of tax revenue as well.
Software pirates, and other thieves aren't stealing from the companies, they are stealing from everyone. Everyone else pays the price. This isn't a story about Apple (or any other company) going after the average guy, it is a story about going after "thieves".
You can try to dress it up any way you like and use any words you like, but a software pirate, is still a thief. A predator that lives off of the labors and work of others. Apple is doing the "right thing" to protect not only their company, but also their employees and their customers.