New TV channel apps added

Discussion in 'Apple TV and Home Theater' started by mikeb13, Aug 22, 2016.

  1. mikeb13 macrumors regular

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    I see that several new TV channel apps were added to the Apple TV 4. They offer Live TV if you login with a TV provider account.

    The new channels are:
    TNT
    TBS
    Discovery
    Animal Planet
    Investigation Discovery
    Science Channel
    TLC
     
  2. mallbritton macrumors 6502a

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    Very cool. I'll be downloading some of those.
     
  3. Benz63amg macrumors 68020

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    too bad Watch TBS and Watch TNT dont have a deal with timewarner thus i cant login with my time warner account to watch these 2 new great channels on my apple tv 4, such shame
     
  4. 2010mini macrumors 68040

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    Don't have any friends or family that will "lend" you their account?
     
  5. mikeb13 thread starter macrumors regular

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    Fox Sports GO was just added to the Apple TV 4.
     
  6. bigpoppamac31 macrumors 68000

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    So these channels are tied to a specific provider?? If so that's dumb but it shows just how desperate cable/satellite are to hold onto their subscribers.
     
  7. vikingjunior macrumors 65816

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    I don't get it, if you already have cable what do you need these apps for it's overkill.
     
  8. mallbritton macrumors 6502a

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    Yeah, the channels these apps are for are not intended for cord cutters, specifically. The apps are aimed at folks who want to watch video on the go on their iDevices. HBO and Showtime, for example, are aimed at cord cutters.
     
  9. 2010mini, Aug 27, 2016
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    Actually it has to be that way. Unless Apple becomes a pay tv provider, they cannot rebroadcast content. The Networks don't even own all the towers that broadcast content. Cable companies negotiate directly with affiliates for rights to rebroadcast. That is why those apps need to be authenticated via a pay tv provider who already have those rights in place.
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    Nope. instead of paying for an extra set top box from my pay tv provider. I just use the Apple TV on a third TV in my house.

    There are even people here who forgo getting a set top box and just use a CableCard with a Homerun HD device and the Channels app. So you get live tv and VOD via all the authenticated apps.
     
  10. bigpoppamac31 macrumors 68000

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    Just seems antiquated to me. To me people should be able to pay for channels either individually or as a group. All these cable/satellite providers charging X dollars for a whole bunch of channels you'll never watch seems very outdated. Pay per channel seems to make much more sense. If I literally want one channel I should be able to pay for and get only that one channel.
     
  11. FreeState macrumors 68000

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    Not true in my case. I cut the cords at my condo but stay with my partner often. I use the login for our main house and have cut the cord at my condo.
     
  12. mallbritton macrumors 6502a

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    If all that were true, then HBO, Showtime and CBS would not be able to offer subscriptions through their apps that don't require a cable/satellite subscription. Apple isn't "rebroadcasting" anything; the transmission rights all still reside with the network affiliates or other IP owners. For cable/satellite-only channels like ESPN or Discovery they could offer subscriptions through their streaming apps but since the corporation that own them also all own the cable companies, their vested interests lie in keeping as many of us as possible subscribed to cable. That's why the majority of streaming apps require a cable/satellite subscription authentication.
     
  13. 2010mini macrumors 68040

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    HBO, Showtime, Starz, CBS and others are able to do that because of specific negotiations they have in place.

    Fun fact: the cable companies that everyone likes to take over the coals have been screwed by the content owners like we are. They sell you bundles because they are forced to. If XYZ cable company wants showtime from CBS. Well CBS gets to tell them... You have to take these other less popular channels as a package if you want Showtime.

    They get sold big bundles and in turn sell us smaller bundles.

    As I've said before: streaming apps have to be authenticated by a subscription before you can watch it either via cable or online. The networks cannot broadcast to you direct via Internet because it would be a breach of contract. UNLESS like HBO Now, they have the right to sell direct over the Internet.

    The TV broadcasting industry is a complicated mess of who owns rights to what and when. And even though it's a mess, they are making tonnes of money. So unless you have a better solution that will make them equal or more.... No change will happen.
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    In that scenario, a lot of channels would cease to exist because they would not be profitable. And that just might include channels you like. They way it works is... Revenue on channels you don't like help pay for content on channels you do like.

    Oh by the way.... True cord cutting is already here today. If you truly want it do this:

    Open iTunes and just subscribe to seasons of the show you want. Or pay for just for the episodes you want to see.
     
  14. boston04and07 macrumors 65816

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    100% agree with this - this is exactly what I do. It saves having to get and pay for multiple crappy cable boxes for different rooms, gives you the benefit of a nicer UI, saves you from having to switch inputs to watch different content, and I've found that many of these station apps include content that isn't available on my cable's on demand. You also can call up lots of these stations' shows via Siri. It's actually quite the opposite of overkill.
     
  15. vikingjunior macrumors 65816

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    So you rather not pay for a set top box and be limited to channels on your Apple TV even though your paying for many other channels that are not on ATV.
    The Roku makes more sense as it has the cable companies app so I can view all the channels that I'm paying for. If Apple TV can get for example the TWC app I would lose my Roku immediately.
    Doesn't matter anyway I'm getting Direct TV "Now" when it drops so I can stream to my ATV and have ALL my channels available when I'm out and about.
     
  16. 2010mini macrumors 68040

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    The Apple TV being used as a set top box is on a non-important tv in the house. It doesn't get a lot of use so paying for another cable box for it is not worth it.
     
  17. mallbritton macrumors 6502a

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    I know broadcast rights and IP copyrights and all this is complicated. But you're not going to get me to shed any tears for the poor, poor cable companies 'cause that's not what they are. When Comcast owns NBC Universal and dozens of other cable channels, and Disney owns ESPN, and Time Warner owns HBO, etc you can't convince me they are raking each other over the coals. No, their vested interests lie in keeping as many people as possible subscribed to cable as possible. Now, I'm sure they do have clauses in contracts to keep each other "honest." But it sure ain't to benefit us, the viewers. So when you say the cable companies have been "screwed by the content owners" I find it more than a little hard to believe since the content is already owned by the cable companies.

    But this is all very off-topic for this thread.
     
  18. 2010mini macrumors 68040

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    Time Warner is not a cable company. Neither is Disney. Comcast owning NBC Universal was one of the worst screwups by the FCC.
     
  19. mallbritton, Aug 28, 2016
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    Time Warner is a cable company: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Warner_Cable. It is one of the largest in the country. And both HBO and Cinemax are owned by Time Warner. True that Disney isn't a cable company, but they are a very powerful media company on par with Time Warner and Comcast.

    Oh, and you'll not get an argument from me about Comcast and NBC Universal.
     
  20. graystone macrumors newbie

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    Time Warner is not a cable company. They are a media conglomerate, and they are the ones who own HBO. Time Warner CABLE is a separate, wholly independent company who use the Time Warner name under license. They are the company about to merge with Charter and I believe the Time Warner Cable name will then disappear entirely.
     
  21. 2010mini macrumors 68040

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    Was going to post this. A lot of people get the two mixed up.
     
  22. mallbritton macrumors 6502a

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    Fair point.

    However my main point still stands. The cable providers are huge conglomerates who are hardly being held hostage by the IP owners (such as NBC Universal, Disney, etc.). Both entities work together to further their mutual interests which is to make as much money as possible by making sure as many people as possible stay subscribed to cable/satellite. Consumer (our) interests be damned.
     
  23. 2010mini macrumors 68040

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    But those cable companies still have to negotiate with affiliates for rights to transmit content within said afiliate' territory.
     
  24. mallbritton macrumors 6502a

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    It occurs to me we may be talking about two different things. I've been talking about "networks:" ABC, NBC, CBS, etc. Not local "affiliates," as you say. And you are correct the cable companies must negotiate to carry the local affiliates signal on the local cable system. But, again, the cable company is the one with the power, there. If the local ABC affiliate is not carried on the local cable company then that station will lose millions of viewers. The cable company won't really suffer.

    These giant media conglomerate companies are not our friends. They only care about their bottom lines, and as long as they can keep us subscribed to cable/satellite they will. They do not want us cutting the cord and paying only for what we want to watch.
     
  25. NAPABFH macrumors newbie

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    Does anybody know if these channels apps will be available on Apple TV 3
     

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