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Apple today released the seventh beta of an upcoming tvOS 11 update for the fourth-generation Apple TV, and within the beta, there appear to be assets for "J105a," previously revealed as the code name for an upcoming 4K Apple TV.

Developer Guilherme Rambo, who has made a name for himself delving into the HomePod firmware, shared a screenshot depicting HDR image assets with a file name that includes "J105a."

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tvOS 11 Beta 7 contains some HDR assets for model J105A 😇 pic.twitter.com/IH2XdDfrrW - Guilherme Rambo (@_inside) August 21, 2017

The "J105a" name was first shared by Bloomberg in February, in a report that suggested Apple was working on a fifth-generation Apple TV capable of streaming Ultra HD 4K video.

That report said Apple could release a new fifth-generation 4K Apple TV as early as this year, and since then, we've seen continued references to the new model, suggesting a release could actually happen in the near future.

Along with the "J105a" assets found in today's tvOS 11 beta, references to the code name were also discovered in the HomePod firmware. That information suggested the device could support Dolby Vision and HDR10 color formats.

In March, evidence of an Apple TV identified as AppleTV 6,2 was found in developer logs with a Cupertino IP, and AppleTV 6,2 does not correspond to an existing Apple TV model. The current fourth-generation Apple TV is known as AppleTV 5,2.

Apple has also started listing select movies as 4K and HDR in iTunes purchase history, leading to speculation that a new Apple TV is imminent.

Aside from Bloomberg's report earlier this year, there has been no concrete confirmation that Apple plans to introduce a new Apple TV soon, but the continued mentions of J105a both in the HomePod firmware and in the tvOS 11 beta suggest we could perhaps see a new Apple TV announced this fall alongside new iPhone models.

Article Link: New tvOS 11 Beta References 'J105a,' Code Name for Upcoming Apple TV with 4K Support
 

JPack

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I'd like to learn the expletive codename Tim Cook has given to the employee who released the HomePod firmware.
 

AVEGA

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So if I don't have a 4K TV this upgrade is essentially worthless right ? Just watch Apple included a superior remote to it and makes that remote only work for 4K TV And the TV iPhone app requires iPhone 8 to work
 
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iDento

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So if I don't have a 4K TV this upgrade is essentially worthless right ? Just watch Apple included a superior remote to it and makes that remote only work for 4K TV And the TV iPhone app requires iPhone 8 to work
If you stream HEVC movies from your computer to your TV, it will make your life a bit easier by making the life of the CPU much better even if the movies aren't 4K! Like if you use Kodi or Plex.
 

HallStevenson

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I'd like to learn the expletive codename Tim Cook has given to the employee who released the HomePod firmware.
Almost as if Apple is intentionally leaking this stuff anymore....

So if I don't have a 4K TV this upgrade is essentially worthless right ?
You may get a 4K TV in the future and you'll be set. This new model will no doubt be more powerful, faster, etc whether you use the 4K output or not.
 

agsystems

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So I'll need this new ATV to screen anything in that new HEVC format?
Sorry I didn't answer you direct question - yes, you will need to a new box because HEVC requires an A9 or higher

HEVC Decode Support
  • 8-bit hardware decode: iOS devices with A9 chip and over | macOS devices with 6th Generation Intel Core and over
  • 10-bit hardware decode: iOS devices with A9 chip and over | macOS devices with 7th Generation Intel Core
This Rambo guy is saving us from outdated stuff - keep the leaks coming!
 
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A7ibaba

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I have the same question as peterh988 .So far one claim for yes and one for no. I think HEVC decoding is happening on host machine instead of ATV which is just a airplay destination link for sound and picture recieved from host over WiFi or LAN. Em i correct or ...?
 

guzhogi

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So if I don't have a 4K TV this upgrade is essentially worthless right ? Just watch Apple included a superior remote to it and makes that remote only work for 4K TV And the TV iPhone app requires iPhone 8 to work

I take it you mean what will it bring besides 4K resolution? I honestly don't know. I'll wait and see. It could bring a bunch of whole new features, it maybe just an AppleTV 4 that can do 4K. We'll see.
 

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And how much more will Apple charge for a 4k TV than say, Samsung, or LG, or Vizio?
I'm going to bet half again more than the average of those three, at least.
 

Brenster

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Despite not having a 4K/HDR capable TV and AV Receiver *yet* I'll be all over a new Apple TV. HEVC means less data to stream, and 95% of film purchases and rentals are via my AppleTV not to mention an Apple Music client, photos, Netflix and NowTv (UK Sky content on the chap).

Together with FireTV and Prime, Apple TV *IS* my TV.

Forthcoming Blade Runner 4K BluRay has me seriously considering going 4K. Decent 4K content support on iTunes (and maybe Blade Runner?) would tip me over the edge.
 

mlabonte21

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If you see the current Apple TV remote with the new model, they blew it.

Frankly, I wish they'd add Touch-ID to the remote.

It could remember the whole family's fingerprints.

6-year old Billy picks it up and the menu flips to Netflix/Hulu/Youtube Kids, etc.. and won't allow playback of rated-R movies or HBO After hours content etc.

Adult picks it up via touch-id, the whole Apple TV experience returns.

Seems like a no-brainer.

Unfortuantely they seem to really be focusing on changing the background from night time to daytime....
 

1Zach1

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And how much more will Apple charge for a 4k TV than say, Samsung, or LG, or Vizio?
I'm going to bet half again more than the average of those three, at least.
Except for this doesn't appear for a television, but for AppleTV the streaming/smart device.
 

Rigby

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Sorry I didn't answer you direct question - yes, you will need to a new box because HEVC requires an A9 or higher
That's apparently not quite correct. Firecore just released a version of the Infuse app that supports accelerated HEVC playback on the ATV4 using official iOS 11 APIs. It is apparently limited to 1080p and bitrates below ~20Mbps though. On iOS devices with A9 or later you get full 4K support with high bitrates. The next ATV will probably have a derivative of this SoC.

Will be interesting to see what new video formats Apple will introduce on iTunes. Besides the obvious UHD support, it would be nice if they offered H.265 encoded 1080p content as well, since it can significantly improve the image quality at the same bitrates compared to H.264 ...
 
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WatchTheThrone

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I use my Apple TV 4 for everything now after getting rid of ol Directv and getting in on the DirectvNow Apple TV deal. I gotta say, after using it since Jan I absolutely love it. Now to convince the wifey that we need a 4K OLED lol
 

darkarn

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Sorry I didn't answer you direct question - yes, you will need to a new box because HEVC requires an A9 or higher

HEVC Decode Support
  • 8-bit hardware decode: iOS devices with A9 chip and over | macOS devices with 6th Generation Intel Core and over
  • 10-bit hardware decode: iOS devices with A9 chip and over | macOS devices with 7th Generation Intel Core
This Rambo guy is saving us from outdated stuff - keep the leaks coming!

I wonder if this will also mean a possibility of a new Lightning Digital AV adapter, seeing that that the current one uses an A8 chip
 
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