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New U.S. Antitrust Bill Would Require Apple and Google to Allow Third-Party App Stores and Sideloading
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Just because two noobs agree on a subject does not make it a good idea.
I don't think many folks truly understand what's happening here.
They want to "make" Apple and Google MAKE this work. Even if you don't want it. So essentially, all devices that run their respective OS's have some "other" way in. Whether it's third-party apps or hacks (good or bad). So if enacted and followed through by both companies. You will REALLY need to watch out for every single thing you do on your device. Even so much as a text message and or weblink can destroy (potentially) your device.
People seem to forget that your device (phone) is most likely ALWAYS ONLINE. So that means your always (mostly) connected, and it would not take much to either hack your WiFi/Bluetooth/Cellular/NFC connection and side load something. Because you just opened the door wide open and at the sometime have to figure out a way to secure it? This is before securing those 3rd party stores and side loaded apps.
anyways, this is a mute point. I highly doubt this will pass. And if it did. Both Apple and Google would take this case up to the supreme court.
It‘s just a bill, not law. Even if there was widespread support in congress, which there isn’t, there is no way it will be introduced before the outcome of the Epic vs Apple court case…. and even then it will end up in the Supreme Court.
How is Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo getting a cut if I buy the game pre-owned through 3rd party stores like GameStop, eBay, Facebook Marketplace, etc.?
I prefer having a single payment system and a single point of access to find and manage all my apps.
What oversight are Apple currently providing that is helping prevent another 9/11?
I mean - they don't do anything (thank god) to limit what people talk about in messaging apps.
Which is totally unfair. They already secured the iPhone from this by not allowing it in the first place. It's not in anyway shape or form their responsibility to solve this problem congress wants to create for them.
Ok, so you aren't actually having a security or malware issues on macOS, you just prefer payment in one place...
Fair enough.
I'm not sure everyone agrees, but we are certainly entitled to our preferences.
Personally I prefer a more thriving ecosystem of options and interesting software
even if it passes both houses of congress, the people that water the houseplant could ultimately kill it.
Unfortunately, NO mention of what I would consider to be the most-important FIRST STEP !
I'm in favor of New Law that would require Apple to disclose per-Category Revenue Numbers for (at least) the iOS App Store here in the States, & require them to do so at the end of each work week.
Also, that the per-week per-Category Reports should include what percentage was generated by the Top 10 Apps in each category, as well as what percentage of apps in each category generated NO revenue.
So, three columns of data per Category, reported by Apple every week.
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Why is this Important ?
Because, it will illustrate to AAPL stockholders that the App Store, in it's current state, is ALL-about Game Apps, & that Apple has completely ignored the NON-Game portion of the App Store.
OK, but Why is that Important ?
Because, it will illustrate lots of UN-tapped Potential (in the NON-Game portion of the App Store) !
In other words, if Apple replaces Phil & puts someone in charge who actually knows what to do, the NON-Game portion of the App Store will blossom !
And AAPL stakeholders will win, as well !
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I'm NOT in favor of Side Loading apps; too many bad characters out there !
I am in favor of Third-Party "App Discovery" App Stores, that will compete Head On with Apple's own App Store.
And, using the Free Agent Model that works well for talented athletes.
Specifically, that App Devs can put their apps in ONE & ONLY ONE Third-Party "App Discovery" App Store, & of course, for a certain period of time & for a certain amount of Coin !
The Top NBA Players make about $54M USD per year; see Steph Curry's latest extension, 4 years, $215M USD !
NO reason the top App Developers can't make the same !
Under my strategy, they (absolutely) would !!!
The ONLY reason they don't right now is because Apple has ignored the NON-Game portion of the App Store !
Force them to disclose the per-category Numbers, & they will be forced to Get Their Act Together !
And if that means Phil (immediately) gets the boot, so be it !
The Buck stops @ the top, & for the App Store, that's Phil Schiller.
Don't forget, @ Apple's last CC, Cook stated he doesn't deal much with the App Store; I consider it to be a bunch of Bull; he said it for CYA purposes ! ... he knew things were about to Hit the Fan !
I'm in favor of New Law that would require Apple to disclose per-Category Revenue Numbers for (at least) the iOS App Store here in the States, & require them to do so at the end of each work week.
Also, that the per-week per-Category Reports should include what percentage was generated by the Top 10 Apps in each category, as well as what percentage of apps in each category generated NO revenue.
So, three columns of data per Category, reported by Apple every week.
-----
Why is this Important ?
Because, it will illustrate to AAPL stockholders that the App Store, in it's current state, is ALL-about Game Apps, & that Apple has completely ignored the NON-Game portion of the App Store.
OK, but Why is that Important ?
Because, it will illustrate lots of UN-tapped Potential (in the NON-Game portion of the App Store) !
In other words, if Apple replaces Phil & puts someone in charge who actually knows what to do, the NON-Game portion of the App Store will blossom !
And AAPL stakeholders will win, as well !
---
I'm NOT in favor of Side Loading apps; too many bad characters out there !
I am in favor of Third-Party "App Discovery" App Stores, that will compete Head On with Apple's own App Store.
And, using the Free Agent Model that works well for talented athletes.
Specifically, that App Devs can put their apps in ONE & ONLY ONE Third-Party "App Discovery" App Store, & of course, for a certain period of time & for a certain amount of Coin !
The Top NBA Players make about $54M USD per year; see Steph Curry's latest extension, 4 years, $215M USD !
NO reason the top App Developers can't make the same !
Under my strategy, they (absolutely) would !!!
The ONLY reason they don't right now is because Apple has ignored the NON-Game portion of the App Store !
Force them to disclose the per-category Numbers, & they will be forced to Get Their Act Together !
And if that means Phil (immediately) gets the boot, so be it !
The Buck stops @ the top, & for the App Store, that's Phil Schiller.
Don't forget, @ Apple's last CC, Cook stated he doesn't deal much with the App Store; I consider it to be a bunch of Bull; he said it for CYA purposes ! ... he knew things were about to Hit the Fan !
Yes, and the fact that Epic (a private company) who is 40% owned by Tencent (controlled by PLA) is pushing for this the hardest will likely come into play before this is over.
I personally would rather see Apple forced to host some apps for free in the App Store, or not charge for subs, than have sideloading forced onto the platform.
No. But for different reasons. macOS has a very small marketshare compared to Windows. So there isn't as much incentive to target macOS. Their biggest bang for the buck is Windows. With an opening up of iOS that is going to provide a new large market for them to target.
I'd still like a normal way to install things I'd enjoy that Apple "doesn't like"
Things like emulators come to mind.
Isn't iOS only like 25% marketshare worldwide?
Mobile OS market share worldwide 2009-2025| Statista
Android maintained its position as the leading mobile operating system worldwide in the first quarter of 2025 with a market share of about 71.88 percent.
www.statista.com
Not if Apple is forced to open up installing apps via sideloading, there would be no way of enforcing security on side loaded apps.
1. Can't wait. It is my device and I want to be able to load whatever Apps I want.
2. Of course, I would also consider what we have today, if Apple got out of the censorship business and approved all Apps that were not REAL security concerns. Most people I know would accept this also.
The problem is Apple is not going to be able to have it both ways. Apple denies Apps not only for security reasons, but also for its own gain and political agenda. Apple censors freedom of speech. This is stepping over the line.
I hope this happens and happens quick, but I would prefer #2, but that is not going to happen because Apple is too arrogant to consider it.
2. Of course, I would also consider what we have today, if Apple got out of the censorship business and approved all Apps that were not REAL security concerns. Most people I know would accept this also.
The problem is Apple is not going to be able to have it both ways. Apple denies Apps not only for security reasons, but also for its own gain and political agenda. Apple censors freedom of speech. This is stepping over the line.
I hope this happens and happens quick, but I would prefer #2, but that is not going to happen because Apple is too arrogant to consider it.
I'm all for it, but I do appreciate the safety of the walled garden. Yep. I'm that guy. I don't want to think about security when getting apps.
Nope, you people really stretch for straws. All apple has to do is touch a button and see that there are non-App store apps and say, "sorry no warranty, no help." Apple already has the infrastructure in place and checks apps with macOS. It would take very little to do it for iOS.
I want to side load, but it should not be Apple's responsibility to solve my problems if I do. Knowing how well Apple is at NOT fixing problems, I actually think I would be better off side loading another App that can fix it, instead of going to Apple.
I haven't read all the comments on here so please forgive me if somebody else has made this point...but isn't it likely that Apple will now start charing for its developer tools? Surely it provides those free of charge to developers because it knows it will be getting a cut of app revenue, but if those developers can take their apps elsewhere then surely Apple would be completely (and legitimately) free to start charging for those tools? Obviously it is unlikely to make a big difference to bigger developers as I can't see them charging fortunes for them, but to smaller developers...would a charge of a few hundred dollars a year make a difference?