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I'm not trying to get data for nothing. I live in a city that has some Verizon LTE, but AT&T hasn't announced any timeframe for LTE, so I purchased a Verizon iPad. However, if I end up in a city where neither provider offers LTE, I would like to use AT&T 3G, which is a lot faster than Verizon 3G.

I get this, and I also believe that the carriers should let us use our Data however we choose or in whatever device we choose! I hope they will eventually offer a lump of data for all our device's and family members! Just like shared minutes with our phone plans. But they probably are making a killing sticking it to us with separating devices. They should also roll our Data over. AT&T has roll over minutes so why not roll over data???:cool:
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They should also roll our Data over. AT&T has roll over minutes so why not roll over data???:cool:
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From what I have read the reason is "rollover minutes" are basically just an advertising gimmick and rarely used. Reason for that is most people purchase more minutes then they actually need (or are forced to in a family plan) and rarely go into their "rollover" minutes. Before I dumped ATT after well over 20 years for T-Mo prepaid $30 plan for my Galaxy Nexus I always had the maximum allowed (5000 min I think) pool of rollover minutes.

Now we use T-Mo's $30 unlimited text, pseudo-unlimited (5GB before 2G throttle) data and ONLY 100 minutes of talk. Saves me over $60/month over ATT and if I use more than 100 mins it's only 10c/min. LTE is meaningless to me. Don't need those speeds for web, email or even watching a movie and I get 8-12Mb download anyway from T-Mo.

Unfortunately the iPad is only 2G/Edge on T-Mo which is agonizingly slow.

Data is the big hog which is why they don't roll it over. Maybe when they triple the price and call it a "shared" plan like they are doing you a big favor they will.
 
From what I have read the reason is "rollover minutes" are basically just an advertising gimmick and rarely used. Reason for that is most people purchase more minutes then they actually need (or are forced to in a family plan) and rarely go into their "rollover" minutes. Before I dumped ATT after well over 20 years for T-Mo prepaid $30 plan for my Galaxy Nexus I always had the maximum allowed (5000 min I think) pool of rollover minutes.

Now we use T-Mo's $30 unlimited text, pseudo-unlimited (5GB before 2G throttle) data and ONLY 100 minutes of talk. Saves me over $60/month over ATT and if I use more than 100 mins it's only 10c/min. LTE is meaningless to me. Don't need those speeds for web, email or even watching a movie and I get 8-12Mb download anyway from T-Mo.

Unfortunately the iPad is only 2G/Edge on T-Mo which is agonizingly slow.

Data is the big hog which is why they don't roll it over. Maybe when they triple the price and call it a "shared" plan like they are doing you a big favor they will.

I totally get what you're saying here, they will never give us anything without us paying more for it then it's worth, and yes the rollover minutes is a BIG gimmick I'm always around 5,000 of rollover minutes. I have a family plan with 4 iphone 4s's and we share 700 min which is not much but nowadays we mostly text, we rarely (my family) talk on the phone. Frankly I can't stand talking on the phone and when it rings I cringe, much rather just text. Save the talk when in person.
But of course as text got more popular they stuck it to us! Even with iMessage now, they still make you have a text plan! Apple tried as well as some Apps but no matter what you need plan.
 
Finally, a year ago Steve Jobs mocked LTE handsets, saying Apple wouldn't use LTE because the battery life was poor, etc. The chips in use in the iPad (3rd generation) are the same chips that were available then.

Well, to be fair, the marginally increased thickness and weight is all due to the battery which was significantly enlarged to provide better battery life on LTE (also apparently it takes much longer to full charge the new iPad). So it's not like the mockery was unwarranted.
 
ATT does themselves - AGAIN !!

It hilarious watching ATT constantly making sure they maintain, along with US-T-Mumble, the lowest ratings and highest clown-to-customer ratio on earth... No wonder they wanted T--Mumble... They are the SAME !!

Worthless.... sure glad I am NOT and WILL NOT be one of their customers - EVER.

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I totally get what you're saying here, they will never give us anything without us paying more for it then it's worth, and yes the rollover minutes is a BIG gimmick I'm always around 5,000 of rollover minutes. I have a family plan with 4 iphone 4s's and we share 700 min which is not much but nowadays we mostly text, we rarely (my family) talk on the phone. Frankly I can't stand talking on the phone and when it rings I cringe, much rather just text. Save the talk when in person.
But of course as text got more popular they stuck it to us! Even with iMessage now, they still make you have a text plan! Apple tried as well as some Apps but no matter what you need plan.

Look what ATT did with texting. Smallest plan you can get is $20/month unlimited. I maybe use 25 texts a month, for $5 it was worth it but because texting has becomes the new talking they charge $20 for "unlimited" like they are doing us a favor. $5 for 200 was fair for the small user so why not have one SMALL plan? Yes, I used Google Voice but didn't like the idea of different text phone numbers on my Android phone. It pissed me off so much I dumped them.
 
Ok I tried to do this except under Settings, General Settings, Network there is no APN to change. It only has Personal Hotspot, VPN and Wifi. Under Settings, Cellular Data it only has these options Cellular Data, Enable LTE, Data Roaming, View Account or SIM PIN.
 
Ok I tried to do this except under Settings, General Settings, Network there is no APN to change. It only has Personal Hotspot, VPN and Wifi. Under Settings, Cellular Data it only has these options Cellular Data, Enable LTE, Data Roaming, View Account or SIM PIN.
If your sim is activated you shouldn't have to change anything. If it's not activated it won't work until it is. You can try this site if you want: http://www.unlockit.co.nz/unlockit/?tag=ipad but of course you will need an internet connection.
 
So far as I've been able to discern, the issue isn't with the MDM9600, the issue is with the RF chip, the RTR8600. The 9600 can handle all the frequencies, but the RTR8600 doesn't have enough channels for all of them. The chip is multi-band, but has a limitation whereby only so many low freq bands can be used at once. I'm guessing CDMA throws an either/or wrench into the works. Apparently you can use multiple RF chips, but Apple obviously chose not to go that route.

The iPhone 4S uses a RTR8605, not sure what the difference with it is, and it obviously is handling Spring voice freqs but no LTE bands.

But it gets better! Qualcomm announced the WTR1605 in February; it is an RF chip that does not suffer (apparently) from the limitations of the RTR8600. Can't find enough info on it either, to make a determination why Apple didn't use it. Availability perhaps.

Finally, a year ago Steve Jobs mocked LTE handsets, saying Apple wouldn't use LTE because the battery life was poor, etc. The chips in use in the iPad (3rd generation) are the same chips that were available then.

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Oh, and I find that HIGHLY dubious. Apple is making money from that segmentation, just as the carriers are. I think it foolish to think that the World's Most Valuable Company is still playing from the playbook of two hippies in parent's garage. The lack of competition in the US mobile marketplace has created a highly profitable situation, and Apple is now smackdab in the middle of it making money hand-over-fist.

1) Steve mocked LTE chipsets because of poor power efficiency. Part of the reason was that first several LTE chipsets powered on multiple radios at once in order to make a functional phone. LTE radio for data, and 3G radio for voice. Hence why the early Android LTE phones had abysmal battery life.
On an iPad, there's no need for voice. So using the LTE radio becomes an option.

2) When a chip is announced, that's far from shipping. It typically means "we're letting you know this is coming soon" or "hey, you can can order a few samples for your engineers to play with, and then plunk down several million dollars so we get you an order in maybe half a year... maybe."
(seriously, you don't just run a wafer over a couple days. The lead time on something as small as a MSP430 is already 4-8 weeks while these have already been in full production for years.)

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The same way they profit from locking the iPhone baseband. There is no reason why Apple plays the carriers' game anymore, the carriers now need Apple more than Apple needs them. Maybe for the original iPhone, even the 3G, but by the intro of the Verizon iPhone 4, Apple was clearly in a position to tell the carriers to get bent. The iPhone 4S didn't need to be carrier-locked. Yet they still play the game. They even refuse to unlock handsets AFTER contracts are up! Why? Because it drives the sale of new handsets...there is little financial incentive NOT to pay $99 or $199 for the newest iPhone, rather than a used iPhone and pay the same monthly price.

Maybe I'm missing something, but that makes no sense to me.

I'll grant that doing the locking in the first place is probably part of the distribution deal with the carriers. Afterall, you need the locking in place to prevent people from just running off with the cost of the phone after getting it subsidized.

As for after the contracts are up, that's probably a carrier decision too.

But keeping them locked shouldn't drive up sales. In fact, it should lower sales. Getting a new phone for $199 isn't dependent on whether or not your old one is locked. But if the old one was unlocked, sales should be higher because more people would be inclined to sell the unlocked phone and buy the new one than just keep what they have.
 
Sit back and learn, kid.

Back in the day - apparently before you were born - there was a company that made high-tech stuff.

Police radios, satellites and satellite phones, cell phones, cell phone network infrastructure, microprocessors (powered the Apple II and the Mac even), cable modems, computers, batteries and car electronics. No, that's not a total list - there's quite a bit more, but this will suffice for now.

And in that company - which most certainly did make both phones and infrastructure (there were 2 others that did - can you name them? Probably not...) - employees could (shock!) move between divisions, either temporarily, or even (horror!) permanently. Hell, the divisions were right across the street from each other.

I have news for you: lots of people went between the divisions. Handsets one year, back to infrastructure the next.

Is this rocket science to you? Or are you just unaware that people may have long careers in big companies with multiple jobs in that company?

Now, somewhat sadly, this company couldn't keep up and part of it is owned by a company based in California that you may have also heard of, and another part is now owned by a company based in Europe. I no longer have any affiliation with any of these companies - but NDAs are still in force.



LOL indeed.

First, if you would have just checked my post history you would know this to not be the case. But hey, that would actually take some work wouldn't it. It's so much easier to just post crap, right?

Secondly, a couple of polos from product launches from that company I supposedly didn't work with for my customers. Note that one is from a pretty long time ago. Yeah, I've been around.


You might recognize this customer of mine:


Ahhh... it's Friday, time for the weekend and some fun time with my new iPad (Verizon, natch) that my boss surprised me with as a bonus...

Have a day.

I am kind of sad that Motorola's lost its former glory.

Likewise, my dad was reminiscing with a past coworker about how cutting edge HP was when they worked there. Things change in 20 years.
 
sorry to resurrect an old thread, but does this still work ? or has a patch been released to block this...
 
Still work?

Can someone please confirm if you can still use a ATT 3G chip in the new VZ iPad?

I'm going on a trip and would like to be able to take the 3G chip out of my 3GS and pop it into my iPad when needed. I read about the APN, but I couldn't find a step by step how to.

Can someone please help me out. thanks
 
Can someone please confirm if you can still use a ATT 3G chip in the new VZ iPad?

I'm going on a trip and would like to be able to take the 3G chip out of my 3GS and pop it into my iPad when needed. I read about the APN, but I couldn't find a step by step how to.

Can someone please help me out. thanks

Sorry, it won't work for you. Mostly because the 3GS uses a full size SIM card.
 
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