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New Version of Siri to 'Lean' on Google Gemini
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I've been trying Gemini pro and it still makes things up constantly. For example, I was having it read a death certificate from the 1940s and it made up a story about the death happening from a lawn mower, when it was an aneurysm. That was not in the source document (or anywhere) and it wanted to create a narrative, and for what? To entertain me? It was complete nonsense. I fear for the people trusting AI for their work.
Nothing. As the article says - Google only provides a model which will be run entirely on Apple's infrastructure. Model itself cannot send your data to some other server. Even if it could, if it's working on your own server, you can see entire communication going out from there, so you're in charge (I mean Apple is).
I’d rather Apple spend the time and get it right with their own in-house model.
Cause there is no real product person in leadership, and too much hubris to accept the possibility that they are wrong.
The $20 billion/year payola that Apple is getting from Google, for doing absolutely nothing, means Apple will do anything and everything they can to keep dealing with Google.
...by absolutely nothing, I mean setting a default search engine 17 years ago, and doing nothing since.
According to Tim and his leadership team (and to some extent even some people in this forum) this is just another trend in the tech industry and they simply ignored it.
When the internet was in its infancy, there were many false promises and bad actors who took advantage of it. But today, can you imagine a world without the internet? AI is not a trend and like it or not it’s here to stay.
Apple has never been good at developing major software projects completely from scratch, and during the Jobs heyday had no qualms about either buying solutions or using open source projects or technologies. macOS (and by proxy iOS/iPadOS/watchOS/tvOS/visionOS), Safari, iTunes/Apple Music, Final Cut, Logic, Siri, and more all descended from existing software solutions. Apple made strategic decisions to buy the best technology to fit their vision and adapt it accordingly.
It's only been the last 5-10 years or so that they've gone all-in on doing everything in-house. In some cases, especially hardware-wise that's been a win, like Apple Silicon. Apple should focus on what it does best - acquiring the best technologies and packaging them into a user-friendly package. Developing their own LLMs instead of licensing an existing, proven one was always an uphill climb.
It's only been the last 5-10 years or so that they've gone all-in on doing everything in-house. In some cases, especially hardware-wise that's been a win, like Apple Silicon. Apple should focus on what it does best - acquiring the best technologies and packaging them into a user-friendly package. Developing their own LLMs instead of licensing an existing, proven one was always an uphill climb.
Consumers for the most part are ambivalent about LLM a.i. Yeah, so it can summarize my emails and provide unreliable answers: sometimes correct and sometimes not (= worthless).
But big tech is losing its mind over it. Enormous power hungry data centers are actively being constructed (to summarize your emails for you) with no end in sight.
Its as if they think that LLMs are the way forward to gen a.i. when clearly its not.
The big tech LLM a.i. craze mirrors the bitcoin craze - such a waste and source of pollution.
But big tech is losing its mind over it. Enormous power hungry data centers are actively being constructed (to summarize your emails for you) with no end in sight.
Its as if they think that LLMs are the way forward to gen a.i. when clearly its not.
The big tech LLM a.i. craze mirrors the bitcoin craze - such a waste and source of pollution.
Haha, Apple can’t do AI. It’s beyond embarrassing.
Yet Tim Apple saying they are still open to M&A this late in development makes me think that it will still be a crap product held together with toothpicks and chewing gum. And just like the rest of Apple Intelligence, once it is out the door, it will never get rev'ed. It will make for a good demo but never work as expected in real life, and in a few months we will all be back to complaining how dumb Siri is.
I use Apple to avoid Google products. Period.
If Google use the Gemini open source model or open source model specifically for Apple, that would be a different story.
I guess the years of openly giving audio commands in my home is done. I got rid of my Google minis to get HomePods for privacy reasons…
If it did on-device processing and sent metadata to a Gemini model in apple’s own cloud that’s one thing.
If this is a Google-hosted model learning my voice, data, and habits apple’s privacy-focused “Anti-Google” reputation… that’s another thing…
But no one cares because you get Option A and Option B.
using gemini models makes the most sense all round. should've done this 2 years ago really but it is what it is
Apple today just can't keep up with anything can they...
It's been so odd to see their stock continue to perform well, despite how incompetent they have been the past two years. The entire company depends on iPhone and App Store* revenue at this point, it's embarrassing and completely lackluster. They don't deserve their current valuation at all, and I am patiently waiting for the AI bubble to burst to see how their stock handles it.
It's been so odd to see their stock continue to perform well, despite how incompetent they have been the past two years. The entire company depends on iPhone and App Store* revenue at this point, it's embarrassing and completely lackluster. They don't deserve their current valuation at all, and I am patiently waiting for the AI bubble to burst to see how their stock handles it.
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Nothing. It just means they'll be using a tuned version of Google's LLM on the private compute. Clearly their own LLM isn't good enough.
people can say this but they still produce the best smart watches, bluetooth headphones, best computers and best tablets. iphone produced a great progress with17 series but generally apple are still market leader in most areas.
al is one area where they have struggled but software stability isn't where it needs to be but product wise there simply isn't many brands which can compete
Probably quite well considering they're barely in the AI space and don't have many investments or hold much stock in it.
If they'd purchased Anthropic like they probably should have then maybe it would. But maybe Tim doesn't like the idea of losing billions every quarter.
^This. Just like Apple doesn’t make every component in the iPhone. It’s not so much about the underlying technology but the implementation of that technology that is key to the end user. In the short term, AI models are no different.
This is what they should've done all along. Trying to build from scratch was always going to be a major uphill battle.
Please, for the love of everything, actually read the article before you comment.
Google is hosting nothing here.
No data or requests are going from your Apple device to Google.
Literally in the article that you just commented on, it is explained that all requests will be handled by Apple’s private cloud compute servers. Not Google servers, Apple servers.
All Google is providing is the large language model.
You can absolutely have concerns about that, but understand that even under this arrangement, nothing is changing about the privacy aspect.
I don’t care what it leans on, so long as it A) works in a way that makes using Siri something of more value than asking about the weather and B) maintains some sense of privacy. If they can get those two things right, I’m in.