New Video Card for FCPX (I know, I know)

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  1. turbobass macrumors 6502

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    Got a MacPro1,1 with a 3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon setup; our NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT won't download the new FCPX series, any recommendations on what to upgrade to?
     
  2. Chilz0r macrumors regular

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    I don't think your NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT can 'download' files lol are you sure you need FCPX? ;) maybe get a flashed 8800GT?
     
  3. marksandvig macrumors regular

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    The Mac App store auto-notify's those downloading if they meet the requirements to run FCPX ;)
     
  4. SWAN808 macrumors member

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    so my 1.1 MP wont be able to run FCP X without a video card upgrade?
     
  5. goMac macrumors 603

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    5770 would be the best choice for FCP. The 120 GT works as well (Edit: but the 120 won't work in a 2006/2007 Mac Pro).
     
  6. MacinJosh macrumors 6502a

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    I've got the same beast looking to get FCPX eventually. Thanks for the heads-up. I'd like to know this as well.

    Looks like 4870 or 5770 are viable options and similar in performance.

    Not to hijack this thread as I'm sure I have the OP's best interests in mind, but what would be a nice compromise in speed/noise/heat? I'd hate for a screaming noisy hot thing in my quiet MP. I don't need top performance but could use a little more oomph than the 7300GT offers.
     
  7. IceMacMac macrumors 6502

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    I'm hearing all kinds of horrific reviews about FCP-X.

    Go to forums like the ones at Creative Cow and you see lots of people talk about switching to Premiere or other apps.

    Just a word to the wise: read up before you jump.
     
  8. derbothaus macrumors 601

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    So what. Why is it so hard for people to just use the version they have until some of the specific features they need are included. You don't HAVE to upgrade (downgrade). At least people can start getting used to the workflow. Which, by the way, from an editing standpoint are pretty amazing. If you have a broadcast workflow or tape needs or even have to touch too many team contributors, I'd wait. If you have a P2 or other camera and do indie editing, go for it. People may just spend the money to move to Avid, Premier and in 2 years I'll be installing FCP 10.1 or whatever for them again.
    To the OP: Get the 5770 if you can swing it , it requires 10.6. The GT120 is balls.
     
  9. MacinJosh macrumors 6502a

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    Hmm... Looks like a PC 6870 is a slap on upgrade without the need to flash. No single user mode though. Courtesy of Cindori: http://www.groths.org/?p=297
     
  10. K.B. macrumors member

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    I saw something about the 5770 only working with newer Mac Pros, not with the 1,1 's. Anyone know about that.

    I've been meaning to upgrade the card on my one MP and this is the excuse so I'm looking for FCPX compatability.

    I'm looking around the used market for something at the moment. Don't want to drop $250 for a card and then $299 for the program... Although with motion it's $350.
     
  11. Cindori macrumors 68040

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    apple 5770 / 5870 works fine in all mac pro.


    and see my post about 6870.



    FCP X will not install if you have non-opengl 2.0 gpu's, aka Nvidia 7300 or ATI 2600HD
     
  12. K.B. macrumors member

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    I'm seeing dozens of 6870's.

    I'm looking at this one but not sure what the difference is between them:
    Sapphire Radeon HD 6850 1 GB GDDR5 VGA/DL-DVI-I/SL-DVI-D/HDMI/Display Port PCI-Express Video Card 100315L by Sapphire

    (here's a link to it at Amazon
    http://t.co/rJ7YuBt )

    Would that one work?

    I'm looking at used Mac versions (I"ve decided to stay away from PC versions that have been flashed unless I do it myself) of the 5770 and the 4870 but would rather have a newer / more powerful card
     
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  14. turbobass thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Snagged a use ATI 4870 for $190 ... make sure you have your double wide PCIe slot ready if you go that route ;)
     
  15. turbobass thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Thanks for the tip -- as an aside, do you really think these features are going to reappear? Or has Apple washed their hands of the pro editing market?
     
  16. telequest macrumors regular

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    The release of FCP X has been a real mess. There's certainly a large group of pro editors that Apple chose to ignore ... especially since FCP X can't import FCP 7 projects AND Apple has EOL'd FCP 7. We'll have to see how Apple responds, so I'm willing to give them a chance to correct their mistakes ... provided they're willing to own up to having made mistakes in the first place. I'll wait and see but am investigating alternatives.

    Let's see, with Adobe CS 5 I already own an alternative NLE that I never even bothered to install. But from what I've heard, Premiere Pro has come a long way. And I'll be looking at Avid as well.

    Don't get me wrong, FCP X is pretty amazing in many ways as a brand new piece of software. And if you're coming from iMovie and have no previous FCP infrastructure in place, it's probably a no brainer. Could be a big market. But unless/until they fix the Pro features I've come to depend on, it won't include my company.
     
  17. turbobass thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I would like this too but the way their whole product line has been trending -- unibody construction, arbitrary tech specs preventing purchasing software from the App Store, planned obsolescence in iOS ... seems they're making so much money off the consumer market at every turn that they don't really care to have the AV professionals who used to evangelize their product do so anymore ... I guess the film students that used to by Macs will still buy them anyway, only because their friends have them not because they're interested in trying to follow the pros.

    I simply cannot believe that they'd just hand the People's Enemy Adobe the crown here tho!
     
  18. goMac macrumors 603

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    FCPX reminds me a lot of OS X.

    The features will return, probably over the next year. FCP X (by necessity) had to be re-coded from the ground up after the death of QuickTime. The new foundation is a lot more solid, and actually works under 64 bit, but some features had to get pushed to the side (again, a lot like OS X.)

    People who complain about Final Cut Pro X will fall into two categories (just like people who complained about OS X):
    1) People who are missing features. These people will get their features back over the short term, and will be happy again.
    2) People who are unable to adjust to the new UI. This is more fatal, they'll be angry, and likely switch away for good. These numbers should be very small though, as they were from the switch from OS 9 to OS X.

    I'm not worried about FCPX. It was a mistake to pull FCP7 from market, but this idea that Apple is excluding the professional market is nonsense.
     
  19. WestonHarvey1, Jun 27, 2011
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    Yes. We already know that virtually every missing feature is going to be delivered, according to David Pogue who got that from Apple themselves. Some can also be addressed through plugins.

    Comparisons to the original OS X release are apt. When it came out it was nearly functionally unusable compared to OS 9. But they got it into people's hands, and look at it now.

    The most ridiculous claim is that this is a consumer product. It's far too expensive and full-featured to be. Consumers don't pay that much for software anymore. The claim is just not in touch with reality. 99% of the pro features are still there, and they're things that consumers would never need or want to be bothered with learning how to use.

    Also, I love the argument that FCPX's ability to import iMovie and not FCP7 projects is "evidence" that Apple intends for this to be an "iMovie Pro". The new iMovie was a baby step on the way to creating a new FCP paradigm. They share the same core codebase for many of the architectural basics. Why would it surprise anyone that FCPX would be able to import iMovie projects? It would just be a feature the developers get "for free" because of the underlying arch.
     
  20. Sirmausalot macrumors 6502a

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    Lies. So don't propagate them.

    Every missing feature we NEED will NOT be delivered.

    1. Tight integration with a DVD or blu-ray authoring program: never going to happen.

    2. Integration with an advanced audio editing application. Nope. We have been promised OMF export in the future, or have we?

    3. Promises are easy to make, especially through a 'third party', but nothing from Apple 'on paper' so no guarantees. Well, Duke Nukem is finally here :)

    4. Final Cut Pro 7 was already behind and we were patiently struggling with it waiting for the promised upgrade. So another 6 months to year without 64 bit support, without multi-core, without many of the features we've needed is unacceptable any many of us are jumping ship.

    If X works for you now, great, get it. However promised upgrades or an aging editing program that doesn't support DSLR footage natively is not going to cut it.
     
  21. goMac macrumors 603

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    Really?

    Bluray authoring programs are an entirely different ballgame. FCP X can export compressed Bluray tracks and burn to un-encrypted Bluray disks. Tighter integration would require Apple to write an entire Bluray mastering app, which isn't a business Apple would really want to get into. Bluray is a way different monster than DVD.

    And besides, why would you master a Bluray disk on a machine that can't playback Bluray?

    There are just a lot better tools available, and Apple knows that.

    Except Apple has a extremely good track record here (see OS 10.0.)

    And this is the only way you're getting 64 bit support with multicore.

    FCP7 could never be updated to those features on a technical level. It simply could not ever be done. The only way to do those things is a re-write, and this is what happens when you re-write.

    There just simply is no other way. It has nothing to do with Apple supposedly abandoning the pro market. There just was no other way.

    Again, there really was never any other option for Apple. Suck it up, it's how the software industry works.

    If you're going to switch now, fine. Personally, I'd wait a year. These exact arguments were made around OS 10.0, and Apple had the issues fixed usually before anyone could carry out their threats of switching to Windows.
     
  22. K.B. macrumors member

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    I jumped in and bet on the 6870 staying supported under Lion so I bought the XFX ATI Radeon HD6870.

    Can't wait for it to get here and I'll hope Lion supports it and doesn't kill it.
     
  23. tarproductions macrumors member

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    I'm running a 2.66 Mac Pro (1st gen) with an ATI X1900XT and can run FCP X, it lags a little, but works. Are you saying that the 5770 won't run Lion?
     
  24. K.B. macrumors member

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    No, I had read something about the 5770 and it was wrong. There's an Apple version of the card and then there is a PC version that can be flashed with the Mac version for use in systems.

    I ordered the 6870 PC card that has been discovered to be supported under Lion.
     
  25. ActionableMango macrumors G3

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    It's quite a stretch to say that the 6870 is "supported". It's more accurate to say it works under Lion at the moment, with some problems, and may have more serious problems at any OS update.
     

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