sure do. my 15" is 1680x1050 glossy and i really like the screen. I suspect they are using OEM screens for that swap tough. What i would like is 1440x900 in the 13", but not a crappy one like the ipad air... guess i want too much
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sure do. my 15" is 1680x1050 glossy and i really like the screen. I suspect they are using OEM screens for that swap tough. What i would like is 1440x900 in the 13", but not a crappy one like the ipad air... guess i want too much
sure do. my 15" is 1680x1050 glossy and i really like the screen. I suspect they are using OEM screens for that swap tough. What i would like is 1440x900 in the 13", but not a crappy one like the ipad air... guess i want too much
Prices for upgraded MBP 15" 8,1 and 9,1 (1TB SSD with 16 GB RAM and with a mat 1680x 1050 screen) in Europe are about to get higher and higher - more and more people are appreciating them.
So I am happy to have got the one I am using now (upgraded RAM/SSD myself) for reasonable price and having purchased another one in reserve (but a friend is already asking to get it from me…. ). So I will be satisfied for many more years… and to prevent myself not to fall in a Software-trap like with the "error53"-game, I will stay with OSX 10.8.5 and IOS7.1.2…
Doingb that I never had bugs and other inconvenient incidents.
"Sorry, Tim Cook! Continue your greedy policy with the resting lemmings as you want to - but I am out of your game!"
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Prices for upgraded MBP 15" 8,1 and 9,1 (1TB SSD with 16 GB RAM and with a mat 1680x 1050 screen) in Europe are about to get higher and higher - more and more people are appreciating them.
So I am happy to have got the one I am using now (upgraded RAM/SSD myself) for reasonable price and having purchased another one in reserve (but a friend is already asking to get it from me…. ). So I will be satisfied for many more years… and to prevent myself not to fall in a Software-trap like with the "error53"-game, I will stay with OSX 10.8.5 and IOS7.1.2…
Doingb that I never had bugs and other inconvenient incidents.
"Sorry, Tim Cook! Continue your greedy policy with the resting lemmings as you want to - but I am out of your game!"
as you have maxed memory and all, i'd recommend trying 10.11, once you get rid of that 'rootless' thing it's a work horse. for some reason (the metal graphics vs OpenGL I suppose) the ui is the more fluid and responsive than any of the previous versions I used (from 10.7). memory compression and some other candy are nice as well.
next best would be 10.9, avoid 10.10 like the plague that version sucks bigtime.
and in the end if you prefer 10.8, it's easy to go back as well. I had a bad experience with 10.8, random bugs on the menubar that were a pain to fix... upgraded to 10.9 in week 1 and never looked back.
good to know! THANKS a lot!
The person who sold the 2012 9,1 in december delivered in fact with a HDD under 10.11 and told me that he has exactly the same MBP for him and that it runs perfectly, he had never issues with it. As he seems to be a very honest guy, I believe him - now even moore because you confirm this statement.
So - since I just cloned my old original SATA II SSD from my old 2011 MBP on a 1TB 840 (with the genial CCC in a fly) I stlll had - there is the chance to use the HDD for re-cloning it with the ML as a backup and then upgrade my SSD for a test with !0.11.3 in some months…
My problem is that my confidence in apple is degrading in full speed. The "error53" scandal shows that they are surpassing the last limits of respect for their customers.
And my "old" retina iPad and "old" iP5 are still running smoothly under IOS7, are easy to backup/synchronize LOCALLY on my MBP under ML. I have no idea if this is still possible under 10.9 or 10.11. And even if this is the case: Who knows if apple does´t change this with a non-communicated, non-previsible OSX or IOS -"update" - with the consequence that you cannot further backup locally from just one day to another?? I confess - I am concerned about this….
(Regarding the shocking NSA and GCGQ activity being more and more out of democratic control, having full access to all data of US-enterprises, european enterprises and carriers and especially clouds, privacy has become a first priority for me and more and more european citizens. I´d NEVER EVER use a Cloud other than my local cloud in my home. So this local backup is extremely important for me.
You could call me a paranoid, but this is a question of principles (and democratic constitution) in a free country. And for people born in the eastern part of Germany - Luckily I am not - this is not a paranoia gone wild, it is their personal history and experience until 1990).
Looking in my app-store, I realized some weeks ago that I once "bought" Mavericks - it is still available as "Bought apps" - so I have two possibilities to upgrade: download the last version of Mavericks and upgrading on El Cap… hmmmm….. and still the third possibility: Resting with ML….hmmmm, hmmm, hmmm...
cheers
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A big reason for soldering the RAM is to save space - everyone wants smaller and smaller laptops. The SSDs are now screwed in, but it is an Apple specific SSD and Apple does not sell them separately. The SSDs in current are little blade SSDs. Sometimes you can get one on ebay if someone wants to sell. If you look inside the new 12" MacBook you would see how small the circuit boards are and how much is battery. I'm not fond of the non-upgradeable devices, but it is the way they are going. I think the really small laptops from other manufacturers are having the same issue - no room for upgrades to the devices post-sale.
I for one see no point in going smaller or thinner than the 13" unibody.
what I wish is that it had a DGPU, 4 cores and higher resolution like its bigger brother, but surely making it thinner or lighter won't help in that department
what I wish is that it had a DGPU, 4 cores and higher resolution like its bigger brother, but surely making it thinner or lighter won't help in that department
I for one see no point in going smaller or thinner than the 13" unibody.
what I wish is that it had a DGPU, 4 cores and higher resolution like its bigger brother, but surely making it thinner or lighter won't help in that department
agree.
Weight and size have reached such a low a level that every mm and gramm less is of no advantage.
More and more people are demanding for more battery capacity/worktime or more connectivity or some other features that may "cost" a little bit motte grams, more mm - but correspond more to their daily needs.
I give you an example:In one of the discussions with "hard crusader-types of apple loyalists" someone told me hat for him weight is first priority and the newest 13" MBP would be MUCH lighter than the still available very basic one for around 800 USD. I did not believe that.
So I checked both models specs at everymac.com and searched in the internet for the specs of the inbuilt HDD and Optical drive AND for the weight of a samsung SATA III SSD.
The result:
If you adapt the "old" one to the "new" one, the weight is +/- 20 grams the SAME!
You pull out the optical bay and the HDD from the old one, put in a SSD and upgrade to 16GB and you close it.
BUT: In the old one there is still a nice additional SATA III connection for a second SSD or something else like the HDD with 40.000 mp3-songs on it or so. (Which is then 250g more weight including the spacer, but this means just MORE options, it is NOT a must).
As for "performance", the "new" 13" one had just 8 % more which is completely irrelevant and counts only for some milliseconds of extreme hard works of the CPU.
BUT: The new "old style" one was more than a thousand USD less expensive (with 1 TB SSD in each). PLUS yozu still have the optical bay to use together with a 15 USD USB-enclosure as an external devise….
surprise, surprise!
BTW: same for the 2012 15" MBP and the "new" 15" MBP - the 14% difference in performance was as well irrelevant…
The one and only difference is the higher resolution of the screen - but you should remember the 1,000-1,400 USD difference! Is it worth that?
When apple talks about "the thinnest" or "Less weight ever" of all MBP since… that could mean legally just 1 (ONE) mm less and 1 (ONE) gram less than the models before.
Marketing uses psychological methods to make up your PHANTASIES. For you, a superlative is just relevant if the difference is relevant. So -. automatically you expand YOURSELF the difference - instead of demanding the precise amount of difference…
So - whenever apple talks about superlatives, ask back… or do a verification which will automatically uncover the hollow marketing phrases of Jony Ive...
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my example : wtf is wrong with making computers smaller, thinner lighter but making the freaking phones HUGE like they are doing??? retarded, IMO.
give me a 13-inch upgradeable unibody with a DGPU and 4 cores and an upgraded phone in the same factor of the 4s and i'd be happy.
guess i'm being nostalgic
about the retina screen... it is lovely, sure, maybe its usable now with el cap seeing how much better the graphics work... but at the time it was an atrocious lag fest, no thanks.
give me a 13-inch upgradeable unibody with a DGPU and 4 cores and an upgraded phone in the same factor of the 4s and i'd be happy.
guess i'm being nostalgic
about the retina screen... it is lovely, sure, maybe its usable now with el cap seeing how much better the graphics work... but at the time it was an atrocious lag fest, no thanks.
my example : wtf is wrong with making computers smaller, thinner lighter but making the freaking phones HUGE like they are doing??? retarded, IMO.
give me a 13-inch upgradeable unibody with a DGPU and 4 cores and an upgraded phone in the same factor of the 4s and i'd be happy.
guess i'm being nostalgic
about the retina screen... it is lovely, sure, maybe its usable now with el cap seeing how much better the graphics work... but at the time it was an atrocious lag fest, no thanks.
No.
You are just resistant to marketing phrases and you haven´t forget your REAL NEEDS…
You are the nightmare of every marketing Pro…
If your battery was below 80% of the rated charge within your Applecare warranty they would replace it for free. Batteries are consumable items and are your responsibility to replace after the warranty ends (and Apple use the best batteries I have ever used in a consumer product they last longer and give better battery life), this is the same for all laptops and manufacturers.
Your keyboard can be replaced fairly easily here is a guide
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+13-Inch+Unibody+Mid+2012+Upper+Case+Replacement/10377
If your current laptop will be fine for another 5 years for you, then why would you care about tweaking a new one that will be overkill for you for anther 5 years without ever touching the insides???
The ssd's are replaceable but only OWC ever have any replacements and they are more expensive than ordering with what you need in the first place.
Ram is soldered.
As you point out thin light laptops are becoming more like mobile phones (there are many good reasons for this) if that's not your bag then I'm afraid you may as well get out of the Apple ecosystem now because it's not going to change going forward and you'll have to accept it at some point as all manufacturers are going this way.
If I install 16GB of quality RAM, install a SSD as my primary drive, and then get a 1TB or 2TB HDD for storage, how owuld my 2012 MBP 9.2 compare with a brand new MBP? (From a computing standpoint.)
Also, is there a way to outright buy El Capitan and not be forced to upgrade?
Sincerely,
Larry
you mean a fresh install of el capitan? that is possible, but I don't think it's worth the hassle... I've been doing upgrades since lion and it still works
So if I clone my 750GB HDD onto my new 1TB HDD, and then I upgrade Mountain Lion to El Capita on the new clone, you don't think I would notice any difference versus buying a full version of El Capitan and installing it on a blank 1TB HDD?
Why not work for some weeks more with the cloned ML and wait until the soon released 10.11.4 is judged to be stable?
By the way: For your pleasure install the free Blackmagic on the HDD, do a test and compare the results with the results from the test after the cloned SSD is installed…
So you are saying El Capitan is being replaced with a new OS soon?
By the way: For your pleasure install the free Blackmagic on the HDD, do a test and compare the results with the results from the test after the cloned SSD is installed…
If I get another 2012 MBP, that would be a fun test indeed!
No, OSX 10.11 IS El Capitan…
10.11.4 means only, that since some months they are desperately trying to fix all the bugs and issues with it…. soon they will "release" the fourth try to publish a stable Operation System…
Just to make sure that you get an idea of it, look here:
https://forums.macrumors.com/forums/os-x-el-capitan-10-11.184/
It is an old apple-tradition now that one OSX Type will perhaps (!) be stable just before they restart again a new buggy OSX….
You know for sure the Film "Groundhog day" ?
A first release of an new OSX is like the eternal restarting loop (the wake-up scene) in the film…
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No, OSX 10.11 IS El Capitan…
10.11.4 means only, that since some months they are desperately trying to fix all the bugs and issues with it…. soon they will "release" the fourth try to publish a stable Operation System…
Just to make sure that you get an idea of it, look here:
https://forums.macrumors.com/forums/os-x-el-capitan-10-11.184/
It is an old apple-tradition now that one OSX Type will perhaps (!) be stable just before they restart again a new buggy OSX….
You know for sure the Film "Groundhog day" ?
A first release of an new OSX is like the eternal restarting loop (the wake-up scene) in the film…
..
So it sounds like I should stay with Mountain Lion on my current MBP, huh?
And if I buy another similar MBP 2012 version, even after I trick it out with a SSD, more RAM, and a 2TB HDD, it sounds like you would recommend to just stick with Mountain Lion?
I am a "late adopter". I don't like buying new things with bugs. My goal is to have something that is maybe not as new and flashy, but RELIABLE and drama-free!!
The SSD and the amount of Ram have nearly no impact on the Operation system but a GOOD one. You can´t do wrong. ML supports SATA III SSDs as well as 16 GB RAM. As does later OSX. But later OSX NEED more Ram than earlier ones. In my opinion, it is just the other way round than you think.
well - I will stay with ML for the moment, NEVER worked with the successors - so I cannot give you a solid advice based on own experience. But there are enough people who confirm that El Capitan works flawlessly.
fOH666 wrote a lot interesting facts about El Cap - so my prudence might be to much, I don´t know.
Others are desperate about ElCap. … I think it depends on - if you NEED the "new" options and often it depends on the apps and peripheral devices you´re using and the level of workload. I think this is the reason why there are so different opinions...
I thought about upgrading to Mavericks, but for the moment I follow the wise recommendation "never change a running system". So - if you want to upgrade, it should perhaps (!) be Mavericks or (fall 2016 or now) El Cap.
But do you really need the "new features" of them?
Yosemite is not classified as a big success, many people recommend not to install it and to prefer Mavericks or El Cap instead..
But if you want advice from 5 people, you get always at least 6 opinions…
So do I ! I really hate non-realiable things - be it for professional or private use.
And I prefer always to be NOT early adopter if I am not forced to be one. Sometimes you have to be first, but mostly not. And mostly you save a lot of money and time not being first…
But this concerns not only hardware, but also software.
BTW: Even the prices for the 2012 MacMini are getting higher. That means, as for value on the second hand market, now EVERY Mac platform before 2013 is at least stable or rising in price: MBP, MacPro, MacMini.
The market gives a strong signal towards apple - but they ignore. So one day the constantly ignoring deciders in the apple management will learn it by the hard way..
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Make your own from the Mac Store and a USB 3 thumb drive easily!
How to Make a Bootable OS X 10.11 El Captain Installer Drive