New York Bill Would Force Apple and Other Manufacturers to Decrypt Smartphones

[OldSchoolMacGuy]

As Apple has showed in the past, you can't decrypt it if you don't have the keys and they don't have the keys. Trying to force a company to help when they don't have the tools to do so is a bit silly, but it won't prevent them from making laws to try.

 

[heehee]

If you have got nothing to hide, you have got nothing to fear.

/s

 

[Mactendo]

Isn't a criminal obliged under the law to reveal his passcode to police? If not then it should be so.

 

[ross1998]

If you have got nothing to hide, you have got nothing to fear.

/s

Please upload to here your latest iTunes backup then...
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Isn't a criminal obliged under the law to reveal his passcode to police? If not then it should be so.

No, police can't force you to give up information from your brain, a pass code counts as information from your brain. They can make you open your phone with touch ID though

 

[ArtOfWarfare]

The penalty is only $2500 per incident. If the police are exercising any restraint at all, they should only be referring a dozen or so iPhones. Apple can choke up the few thousand to cover the penalties.

Or more likely, NY will try enforcing this and Apple will take it to court.

Or, even more likely than that, Apple will kill it with lobbyists.

 

[jdogg836]

No, police can't force you to give up information from your brain, a pass code counts as information from your brain. They can make you open your phone with touch ID though

It would be cool to have a finger saved that would immediately lock the phone requiring the passcode for such a situation

 

[Mactendo]

Please upload to here your latest iTunes backup then...
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No, police can't force you to give up information from your brain, a pass code counts as information from your brain. They can make you open your phone with touch ID though

Ah. But both things are serving the same purpose. If they want they could come up with a law making an exception for passcodes or moving them into some other category than "info from the brain".

 

[Amazing Iceman]

these politicians are out of their minds

Ignorant and stubborn to be more precise.
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Ah. But both things are serving the same purpose. If they want they could come up with a law making an exception for passcodes or moving them into some other category than "info from the brain".

They could ask the suspect to unlock their phone or surrender passwords, or be charged with obstruction of justice.

 

[Mactendo]

They could ask the suspect to unlock their phone or surrender passwords, or be charged with obstruction of justice.

So there's no point then in the backdoor proposed.

 

[logicstudiouser]

Why aren't politicians as vocal about protecting the 4th amendment as they are for the 2nd amendment?

 

[Cisco_Kid]

Land of the free eh...

 

[bradl]

This will not fly. This forces Apple and iPhone owners to give up their 2nd Amendment rights.

Will not happen.

BL.

 

[Solomani]

As Apple has showed in the past, you can't decrypt it if you don't have the keys and they don't have the keys. Trying to force a company to help when they don't have the tools to do so is a bit silly, but it won't prevent them from making laws to try.

That's the problem with Politicians thinking they know how technology works. They don't.

 

[paul4339]

This will set dangerous precedent for all other jurisdictions (China, Russia, Pakistan, states, provinces) to do the same... sooner or later we'll

1) have products optimized to suit complex sets of conflicting regions laws similar to our tax laws, as oppose to having products that suit consumer needs
2) have all other jurisdictions/governments (enemy or not) implementing similar laws ...and will be able to see all your information...imagine if they did this with other devices, like Cisco routers, around the world
3) be making it harder to for small players to enter the market (higher barriers to entry) because they'll have to engineer their products to suit a bunch of more changing and conflicting laws from many jurisdictions
4) have more importation of 'illegal' devices, software, etc from offshore manufacturers that don't care about your local laws.

Basically, once you implement these laws you have to assume that it gives the right for all other jurisdictions around the world to do the same.

 

[bradl]

Why aren't politicians as vocal about protecting the 4th amendment as they are for the 2nd amendment?

More than that, encryption is arms, which is protected by the 2A.

So the bigger question is, where is the NRA and standing up for the 2A? Oh, wait: they think it only applies to guns.

BL.

 

[The Doctor11]

I don't see Apple cracking on this issue. Stopping sales to the State of New York if this ever passed wouldn't be out of the question.

That would really suck for me... A New Yorker...

 

[yaboyac29]

This will not fly. This forces Apple and iPhone owners to give up their 2nd Amendment rights.

Will not happen.

BL.

i'm so sick of americans and their "amendment" ********. half of you don't even know what the hell an amendment is.

an american flying out of MY country (not the US for those who already got lost), word for word stated "it is in my amendment to be able to bring this knife on a plane"

i laughed at him and chucked it into the garbage.

moron.

 

[Jyby]

If criminals really want to keep secrets they will. Encryption can't be beat..

This bill just sets up a police state.

 

[maxsix]

Tim Cook goes to Washington to say what Apple buyers / owners want to hear. Pre-programmed to believe their hero Apple, the devotees actually believe every word Apple utters. Just like the progressive liberals believe the Pro Muslim, ISIS isn't a threat, everything's wonderful potus.

But reality is Tim Cook, Apple, et al... aren't about to upset their liberal partners in the White House. Hillary, Golfer Boy, Bubba, they're Masterful Liars with endless influence and a massive war chest of cash. The can get away with anything, anytime, anywhere.

Think not? Think Again.

 

[AliMacs]

Scenarios:

1) Your baby, toddler, kid(s), and/or spouse/friend/mistress are missing. Only way to find out is from the location stored in an iPhone from the suspect - which is also dead. Sorry folks, can't help you because we can't decrypt.

2) codes to diffuse a nuclear bomb is stored on an iPhone and it's encrypted. Can't save the world because we can't decrypt it.

3) The last message written by your dad before he suddenly died was written on his iPhone and encrypted. Sorry, can't even have you see his last words because we can't decrypt it.

4) Child porn of your kid(s) stored on an iPhone but encrypted and not stored in iCloud either. Sorry, can't prosecute the perv because we don't have evidence we need from his iPhone. It's encrypted, we can't decrypt it.

5) Car accident and you were not at fault because while you were driving you were also v-logging with the iPhone clamped on the dash and someone hits you and the camera caught a pic of the accident but obviously from the accident your head was injured enough you can't access your code (the phone was off (battery drained) then restarted so the passcode is needed). You're screwed.

6) Before a police officer was murdered, he was recording himself and the camera on the iPhone caught the sounds and part of the suspect killing the police officer. The phone dies of low battery but the video is on the phone and encrypted. You can't prosecute the suspect because the evidence is on the phone.

7) the list goes on and on.

Now if you argue that oh, I want to prevent mike who works at the FBI from eavesdropping or looking at my personal naked pictures I took while drunk, then of course you're trying to make a case about your privacy. I think the point of encryption is to protect the owner but then there are times when you hope and pray that you can access it because the one you loved who happened be have evidence on the device is no longer here and it's crucial to gain access to it but you can't, then you can see how desperate one will want access.

This is very hard to decide....

 

[Amazing Iceman]

So there's no point then in the backdoor proposed.

The idea is not to have a backdoor at all. Backdoor = Hiding place for criminals.

In other words, imagine if cyber-crooks commit their crimes using your own devices for it...
Who do you think is going to get arrested?

 

[macs4nw]

.....Quote
"The safety of the citizenry calls for a legislative solution, and a solution is easily at hand. Enacting this bill would penalize those who would sell smart- phones that are beyond the reach of law enforcement," the notes on the bill say.

"The fact is that, although the new software may enhance privacy for some users, it severely hampers law enforcement's ability to aid victims. All of the evidence contained in smartphones and similar devices will be lost to law enforcement, so long as the criminals take the precaution of protecting their devices with passcodes. Of course they will do so. Simply stated, passcode-protected devices render lawful court orders meaningless and encourage criminals to act with impunity."Article Link: New York Bill Would Force Apple and Other Manufacturers to Decrypt Smartphones

To aid victims? Really? That's their first concern? They must really think we're brainless fools. This is about power and control, plain and simple. I had really feared this day would come though.

Short of revolt, the only hope we have is inundating, and I mean burying, the men and women of Congress with millions upon millions of emails and messages and signed petitions, to the point that ignoring them would be political suicide, so this bill or any other like it, won't pass.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

Scenarios:

1) Your baby, toddler, kid(s), and/or spouse/friend/mistress are missing. Only way to find out is from the location stored in an iPhone from the suspect - which is also dead. Sorry folks, can't help you because we can't decrypt.

2) codes to diffuse a nuclear bomb is stored on an iPhone and it's encrypted. Can't save the world because we can't decrypt it.

3) The last message written by your dad before he suddenly died was written on his iPhone and encrypted. Sorry, can't even have you see his last words because we can't decrypt it.

4) Child porn of your kid(s) stored on an iPhone but encrypted and not stored in iCloud either. Sorry, can't prosecute the perv because we don't have evidence we need from his iPhone. It's encrypted, we can't decrypt it.

5) Car accident and you were not at fault because while you were driving you were also v-logging with the iPhone clamped on the dash and someone hits you and the camera caught a pic of the accident but obviously from the accident your head was injured enough you can't access your code (the phone was off (battery drained) then restarted so the passcode is needed). You're screwed.

6) Before a police officer was murdered, he was recording himself and the camera on the iPhone caught the sounds and part of the suspect killing the police officer. The phone dies of low battery but the video is on the phone and encrypted. You can't prosecute the suspect because the evidence is on the phone.

7) the list goes on and on.

Now if you argue that oh, I want to prevent mike who works at the FBI from eavesdropping or looking at my personal naked pictures I took while drunk, then of course you're trying to make a case about your privacy. I think the point of encryption is to protect the owner but then there are times when you hope and pray that you can access it because the one you loved who happened be have evidence on the device is no longer here and it's crucial to gain access to it but you can't, then you can see how desperate one will want access.

This is very hard to decide....

Solutions:
1) Use the suspect's finger to unlock the phone

2) Take the bomb far away as possible, or use a different method to diffuse, possibly an EMP.

3) Use your Dad's finger to unlock. If you were a good son, you'll know his code already.

4) Have judge issue a warrant. Either the suspect unlocks his phone or he will be charged with obstruction of justice. If he's innocent, then he's got nothing to fear.

5) Use your finger to unlock.

6) Use his finger to unlock.

7) ...and more solutions will be found.

 

[alphaod]

Scenarios:

1) Your baby, toddler, kid(s), and/or spouse/friend/mistress are missing. Only way to find out is from the location stored in an iPhone from the suspect - which is also dead. Sorry folks, can't help you because we can't decrypt.

2) codes to diffuse a nuclear bomb is stored on an iPhone and it's encrypted. Can't save the world because we can't decrypt it.

3) The last message written by your dad before he suddenly died was written on his iPhone and encrypted. Sorry, can't even have you see his last words because we can't decrypt it.

4) Child porn of your kid(s) stored on an iPhone but encrypted and not stored in iCloud either. Sorry, can't prosecute the perv because we don't have evidence we need from his iPhone. It's encrypted, we can't decrypt it.

5) Car accident and you were not at fault because while you were driving you were also v-logging with the iPhone clamped on the dash and someone hits you and the camera caught a pic of the accident but obviously from the accident your head was injured enough you can't access your code (the phone was off (battery drained) then restarted so the passcode is needed). You're screwed.

6) Before a police officer was murdered, he was recording himself and the camera on the iPhone caught the sounds and part of the suspect killing the police officer. The phone dies of low battery but the video is on the phone and encrypted. You can't prosecute the suspect because the evidence is on the phone.

7) the list goes on and on.

Now if you argue that oh, I want to prevent mike who works at the FBI from eavesdropping or looking at my personal naked pictures I took while drunk, then of course you're trying to make a case about your privacy. I think the point of encryption is to protect the owner but then there are times when you hope and pray that you can access it because the one you loved who happened be have evidence on the device is no longer here and it's crucial to gain access to it but you can't, then you can see how desperate one will want access.

This is very hard to decide....

Hackers break into OEM servers and steal private keys:
1) The daily routine of your baby, toddler, kid(s), and/or spouse/friend/mistress are found. Their moves watched. One day they're taken.
2) Someone brought their phone into a top secret meeting and hackers activate the camera and find the nuclear launch codes...
3) Your dad killed himself because someone broke into his phone, stole all your family's money and sold naked pics of your mother, children, you.
4) Perv puts said pics on your phone.
5) If you suffer from memory loss like this, I think unlocking your phone will be the least of your problems.
6) Police officers get murdered all over town.
7) Yeah it does. We can think of scenarios all day.

 

[bradl]

i'm so sick of americans and their "amendment" ********. half of you don't even know what the hell an amendment is.

an american flying out of MY country (not the US for those who already got lost), word for word stated "it is in my amendment to be able to bring this knife on a plane"

i laughed at him and chucked it into the garbage.

moron.

You have just shown your naivety of our laws. Usconstitution.net, or the Constitution app in the App Store. Get it and read up on our 2nd amendment. Then revisit the thread.

BL.