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New York Bill Would Force Apple and Other Manufacturers to Decrypt Smartphones
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This is a political issue, which is why it is in PRSI and not anywhere else in the forum.
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If you haven't notice yet, whenever is convenient for law enforcement, there's no Fifth Amendment.
Some lawyers do a better job protecting their clients privacy than data encryption could.
Well, since they have your fingerprints and with 5 attempts before the device is locked, TouchId is the most simple way for law enforcement to get to your data
I have no problem with the police getting a warrant to hack through someone's personal information. If they have good reason to do so, let 'em go to town.
It's the concept that it should be open and readily available to law enforcement at a moments notice without any court intervention that I take issue with.
EXACTLY!
Such solutions already exist that have nothing to do with phone manufacturers!
That date came and went already. How is it possible for them to pass a new law and apply it in retrospect? Here in the Netherlands you can't do that. A new law can be passed and go into effect for a future date. But you can't fine companies or people for an act that's illegal today, but wasn't at the time it was committed.
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Oh, so you think you know with certainty what goes on in Tim Cooks's mind? It's you who needs to think again!
I believe he would step down as CEO before he would compromise his personal beliefs but nobody knows for sure until it happens. He'll give Washington (and New York) a few bruises before it comes to that though!
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You know you can disable the passcode right? So if you expect any of the above dramatic scenarios to befall you then you can choose not to encrypt. Personally I'd rather retain my privacy.
Then again I'm a bit of a risk taker... I even go outside of my faraday cage sometimes, knowing I might be struck by lightning!
Joking aside, I'm a consultant programmer with 35 years experience in the industry and can assure you that encryption is easily available for criminals whether Apple provide it or not. I can also assure you of the utter havoc which will be caused by malicious hackers if hundreds of millions of Internet connected iPhones have backdoors installed in a future iOS update. ID theft, cyberstalking, remote camera and microphone activation, theft of bank funds etc. My scenario is not speculation because it already happens today on lesser devices.
Are you seriously willing to give up your privacy, property and security every single day on the off chance one of your doomsday scenarios occurs?
That's an easy fix. Turn off your iPhone. When you turn it back on you have enter your passcode to activate the finger print sensors
The bill is dated July 2015. I presume that the sponsor thought that it would be enacted before 2016. I think they will likely amend the date before it passes.
Personally I'm all for an individual's right to privacy and security. But do the majority of the public (not your general MacRumors forum population) even care?
They seem perfectly happy to plaster almost every detail of their life all over Facebook, Twitter and any other social platforms.
Not to mention allowing Facebook, Google and the likes to skim through their information for the sake of targeted advertising and so on.
When people are more than willing to allow any of that nonsense, I doubt they're caring how secure their phone is.
They seem perfectly happy to plaster almost every detail of their life all over Facebook, Twitter and any other social platforms.
Not to mention allowing Facebook, Google and the likes to skim through their information for the sake of targeted advertising and so on.
When people are more than willing to allow any of that nonsense, I doubt they're caring how secure their phone is.
Never stopped liberal politicians in the past and won't end here either. Amazing really.
This is what prompted me to look at the comments.
There are a couple of other bits of stupidity like is this going to apply to every single device sold without de-encryption or just those where access was desired and are proven to have been purchased in the affected area?
#2 Can't happen. You're not allowed encryption, so it must be possible to turn off the bomb with a single switch. Or set whatever nuke you fancy to detonate in the same way. "Wargames", anyone?
Plus just about every scenario states that the data is known to exist. That alone implies there is at least one other source.
I don't think suspecting the presence of something for absolutely zero reason (or less) would count as proper cause to enforce usage of a backdoor aside from laziness/nosy/entrapment.
Small difference, the social media fans decide what they put out there, NOT politicians or the police!
If this gets any traction in the NY assembly (as in even considering it) it will go all the away to the supreme court, where it will be rejected.
Newsflash to politicians: CRIMINALS will always be at least one step ahead of ANY legislation, because they don't do LEGAL!
I'm sure you can get your lawyer to stall them for 48 hours. After that time, the phone obliges you to enter your password. The fingerprint reader won't work until you do.
That violates the 5th amendment right to not incriminate yourself.
Cry me a river. I'm not giving up my right to privacy and security because of some bull **** hypotheticals.
You might find a prosecutor dumb enough, or arrogant enough, to attempt a prosecution for obstruction of justice. But the 5th amendment gives everyone the right to refuse to provide self-incriminating information. A conviction would be unlikely, and would almost certainly be thrown out on appeal.
That's why there's a legal difference (in the USA) between a passcode and Touch ID. They can't force you to divulge the passcode. But they CAN force you to stick your finger on the Touch ID pad. If Touch ID unlocks the phone, and they have a warrant to search the phone, they can legally use whatever they find.
All this does is removes encryption from the masses so we're all vulnerable to hackers or being used by terrorists themselves to remotely route messages through our devices to their cells in the field, potentially incriminating innocent citizens in the process. Then the terrorists just install encryption on their own devices. It's not super difficult for a technically minded person to do. But the government didn't think of that, did they?
Or worse—they did think of that, this has nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do with control. Extremely unsettling and creepy but just as likely IMO. So either our government is extremely dumb and incompetent, or they're conspiring against us to remove our greatest freedom. Either way we need to throw their asses out!
Do not stand for this. Push back against the aggressors! Fight for truth and liberty always—no matter who stands in our way! If it unfortunately comes down to it, I'll gladly lay down my life to ensure my daughter grows up a free woman. Have honor. We shouldn't be scared to stand up against the government any more. To speak our minds in fear of being put on a list or disappeared. To hold fast to the incredible, sacred documents that founded our freedom in this once great nation. Who is with me?
DO NOT TREAD ON US.
Or worse—they did think of that, this has nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do with control. Extremely unsettling and creepy but just as likely IMO. So either our government is extremely dumb and incompetent, or they're conspiring against us to remove our greatest freedom. Either way we need to throw their asses out!
Do not stand for this. Push back against the aggressors! Fight for truth and liberty always—no matter who stands in our way! If it unfortunately comes down to it, I'll gladly lay down my life to ensure my daughter grows up a free woman. Have honor. We shouldn't be scared to stand up against the government any more. To speak our minds in fear of being put on a list or disappeared. To hold fast to the incredible, sacred documents that founded our freedom in this once great nation. Who is with me?
DO NOT TREAD ON US.
Or just wait out the 48 hours it takes for the password to be required again. I am sure if they take your phone from you at the time of arrest it will take at least 48 hours to legally compel you to unlock the phone.