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Yes, but how many of those are the latest and most expensive? iPhone 11 Pro probably only accounted for a quarter of all sales.

True, but who said anything about putting TouchID on the most expensive only? I'd expect that to be a base feature on the 13 if it was brought in and the budget line already has TouchID.
 
How about the MTA joining in and sharing some of the development, marketing, and deployment costs?
 
Yes, but how many of those are the latest and most expensive? iPhone 11 Pro probably only accounted for a quarter of all sales.
Well, I changed my 11 (no pro) for the new and latest SE, never looked back. Brilliant. Works every time. It is lighter, smaller (the 11 is way to big) and cheaper. I am in Spain and we have mandatory mask wearing here (100 Euro if found without mask, ANYWHERE) and I pay everywhere with it as contactless payment is preferred over cash anyway. Impossible with the 11, a breeze with the SE. The next iPhone will have to have touch ID again or its a no starter.
It looks I am not alone either, used 11 (and 11pros) are everywhere. And according to our local electronic market where I got my SE they fly off the shelves.
 
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Well, I changed my 11 (no pro) for the new and latest SE, never looked back. Brilliant. Works every time. It is lighter, smaller (the 11 is way to big) and cheaper. I am in Spain and we have mandatory mask wearing here (100 Euro if found without mask, ANYWHERE) and I pay everywhere with it as contactless payment is preferred over cash anyway. Impossible with the 11, a breeze with the SE. The next iPhone will have to have touch ID again or its a no starter.
It looks I am not alone either, used 11 (and 11pros) are everywhere. And according to our local electronic market where I got my SE they fly off the shelves.
But very few people would buy 2 phones in a 6 month period, lol
 
Anecdotal evidence, but I have yet to get FaceID to work with my iPhone X while wearing a mask, so whatever they changed in the 13.5 update has done nothing for me day to day.

It would be wonderful out of this if Apple included both TouchID and FaceID on future phones, at least then we get the best of both worlds.
Cough :: passcode :: Cough
 
It's somewhat amusing to me that the amazing technology behind FaceID has been thwarted by a virus. I'm curious whether Apple knew that it could be a problem, since much of the population of Asia has been regularly wearing masks for years.
So has touchid if one wears gloves and has a pre-iPhone x. One can find multiple situations where both Face ID and Touch ID are problematic. (And I’m sure other biometric identification methods like iris scan.
 
Actually if we were to shutdown all public transit for a few weeks nationwide, it would dramatically reduce the spread and possibly eliminate it.
This will, of course, have no economic impact whatsoever. No need to worry about nurses, doctors, police, grocery workers, etc. getting to work.
 
Well, I changed my 11 (no pro) for the new and latest SE, never looked back. Brilliant. Works every time. It is lighter, smaller (the 11 is way to big) and cheaper. I am in Spain and we have mandatory mask wearing here (100 Euro if found without mask, ANYWHERE) and I pay everywhere with it as contactless payment is preferred over cash anyway. Impossible with the 11, a breeze with the SE. The next iPhone will have to have touch ID again or its a no starter.
It looks I am not alone either, used 11 (and 11pros) are everywhere. And according to our local electronic market where I got my SE they fly off the shelves.
I too traded in my XS for an SE. I am really enjoying it. Touch ID is just superior. It’s been so nice having a lighter, thinner, and easier to unlock device.
 
They could send masks with QR codes on the front to allow the device to have a one-to-one pairing with the unique code, or forehead stickers. Whatever is more convenient.
 
The only way they could stop people from doing it would be to force people to use their passcode via some sort of location awareness. Geofencing in public areas that are normally densely crowded? Bluetooth LE beacons detecting how many other devices are nearby? Then just disable FaceID in those situations?

It's a crappy choice to have to force upon people though.
 
A failed face ID will prompt passcode input. You can also select passcode input.

I do not think Apple should compromise their facial recognition security by chopping in half the amount of face it scans. And masks should be temporary, until the virus subsides.
 
Does the MTA realize most phones sold are Android?
This is a perfect example of the phrase “stay in your lane”
 
An iPhone with both Face ID and underscreen Touch ID is what we need for the pandemic world as well as for convienience
 
Cough :: passcode :: Cough
Point is, that before touch ID very few people locked there phones. Even the then normal 4 digit pins where not used. Then came touch ID and people locked there phones because it was so convenient. The pass codes could be made secure because you only needed it every few weeks. Face ID made it even easier, its working very well.
Now we have the mask situation. Sure, you can use your passcode, in my case a combination of numbers, letters and symbols 12 digits long. By the time you authorized a payment the screen gave up. That is NOT a solution. Neither is to dial security down and use a simple pin again. Besides, my company would not allow it.
 
I reckon Apple's stuck..'

"They want people to go BACK to being less secure just because of a mask?"

Apple makes FaceID secure, but COVID-19 sneaks in. Sorry Apple, you won't convince users.
 
The issue is also with app developers who don't incorporate using your code when face ID isn't feasible. None of my banking apps or my password manager allow this, I have to put in my entire password (very long w special characters, lots of keypresses) at which point it's much faster to just pull my mask down. Personally I don't pull my mask down, I just wait for a time when I am not wearing my mask to use those apps, I'm just illustrating what most likely a lot of others do.

I'm assuming there is some sort of framework for devs to allow their apps to function like Apple's login? Or is this Apple's fault?
 
The issue is also with app developers who don't incorporate using your code when face ID isn't feasible. None of my banking apps or my password manager allow this, I have to put in my entire password (very long w special characters, lots of keypresses) at which point it's much faster to just pull my mask down. Personally I don't pull my mask down, I just wait for a time when I am not wearing my mask to use those apps, I'm just illustrating what most likely a lot of others do.

I'm assuming there is some sort of framework for devs to allow their apps to function like Apple's login? Or is this Apple's fault?

So, your saying then the problem is worse then we all thought... I'd be one ting to get Apple to fix, but then you also have to convince developers to do the same "update" which would be slow.

Personally, this is all a big deal just for COVID-19, and to comply with regulations, you could easily just do 'exceptions' to the rule..

While all of this crisis in, to facilitate the crises, companies really expect it to e around for a few years (or longer )by the margin their going to.
 
New York City's transit agency MTA has encouraged Apple to accelerate the deployment of technology-based solutions to further protect users amid the global health crisis.

Human beings have already had the best technology-based solution to further protect users amid the global health crisis. It's called "mask".
 
This is exactly the update Apple have already released, when I wear a mask the passcode entry opens up straight away.
No idea why people still feel the need to lift off their mask, probably too lazy to enter in their passcode.
It isn't immediate, it takes a couple seconds - which I gather is the point of this article?
 
Point is, that before touch ID very few people locked there phones. Even the then normal 4 digit pins where not used. Then came touch ID and people locked there phones because it was so convenient. The pass codes could be made secure because you only needed it every few weeks. Face ID made it even easier, its working very well.
Now we have the mask situation. Sure, you can use your passcode, in my case a combination of numbers, letters and symbols 12 digits long. By the time you authorized a payment the screen gave up. That is NOT a solution. Neither is to dial security down and use a simple pin again. Besides, my company would not allow it.

Authorize what payment? I’ve never had an issue with using a passcode. I’ve never even set up FaceiD on my XR.
 
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