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IMO, if we had the choice of not getting screwed so badly by the pandemic (in exchange for Apple Pay and other NFC based payment methods being considered a market failure here), I would at least give it a second and third thought. Sure, QR (or quite possibly being permanently relegated to inserting cards) isn't great, but I don't think 350K+ deaths and counting (never mind the potentially millions of people with possible permanent aftereffects/disability) is either. And we definitely shouldn't have needed a pandemic to even think about using NFC.

Nobody wanted a pandemic, but that doesn't mean we can't be grateful for the fringe benefits where they exist. Another thing the pandemic has done is advanced mRNA vaccine technology by about 10 years in just one year. This opens up the possibility of (eg) cancer vaccines - it may end up saving many lives in the future!

Sure, but there's historically been a lot of resistance towards anything that increases card use, too. It's no surprise that cash was still the most used payment method for smaller purchases until a few years ago, after all.

(Hell, I still run into cash only businesses, and it's been a year since the pandemic kicked off. At least the restaurant I picked up takeout from the other day also accepted Venmo along with cash, so it wasn't simply a tax dodge?)

The way Europe solved this was to regulate the card interchange fees. Accepting cards became so cheap that it's probably cheaper than the costs of handling cash for many businesses. It's pretty rare to find cash-only businesses now days, unless their machine/internet is broken.
 
Isn’t this just contactless payment and Apple Pay happens to be included? Could I use my contactless credit card before?

Seems a bit like announcing a new gas station on a car enthusiast site - “Toyota fill ups supported at 1st & Main”.
 
I don’t get you Americans. You go and develop all of this amazing tech such as Apple Pay and then it takes years for it to be useful there. AP has worked in pretty much every location in the Uk for about two years. Few use cash here these days.
To be fair, we don't really use cash much either, but we do still have to carry our cards. Though Apple Pay is making that less and less. I have noticed that the ability to use it has exponentially grown since COVID became a thing.
 
Isn’t this just contactless payment and Apple Pay happens to be included? Could I use my contactless credit card before?

Seems a bit like announcing a new gas station on a car enthusiast site - “Toyota fill ups supported at 1st & Main”.
yes, it is just contactless payment, however, a virtual and physical OMNY card are going to be happening soon.
 
Isn’t this just contactless payment and Apple Pay happens to be included?

It's not quite the same as just supporting contactless payment cards. MTA and other transit agencies support "Express Transit" mode, which means that the payment device can be tapped at the fare gate without having to unlock the device or do the normal Apple Pay authentication.
 
Apple pay has nowhere near 70 or 80 percent acceptance. The US as a whole isn't near that number in any way shape or form.

According to the National Retail Federation mobile contactless payments was only at 58% and that includes the 15% or so bump it got from Covid.

The NRF has also traditionally disliked the card networks and has an interest in making stuff involving them seem a lot less used/supported than it actually is. For instance, it wasn't that long ago that they had yet another press release/article disparaging EMVco and the PCI compliance process more generally.

Anyway, just the other day I updated Dollar General and Tractor Supply Company on my site as supporting contactless because people have reported the former as supporting it now and I was able to confirm it in person at the latter. This brought merchant adoption figures up to 81.1% of individual locations and 70.9% of retailers.

(Disclaimer: this only tracks the places that actually run the chip on your chip-enabled credit or debit cards. However, we're far enough away from the 2015 liability shift that there really aren't that many places that only swipe anymore. And of course, since it relies in fair part on user contributions, this isn't an exhaustive resource.)

In addition, if you believe Visa, 84 of the top 100 retailers support contactless payment now. That doesn't sound like contactless is being considered a "fringe" technology to me.

Nobody wanted a pandemic, but that doesn't mean we can't be grateful for the fringe benefits where they exist. Another thing the pandemic has done is advanced mRNA vaccine technology by about 10 years in just one year. This opens up the possibility of (eg) cancer vaccines - it may end up saving many lives in the future!

Oh I know. I'm just not sure increased contactless adoption alone was worth the cost, is all. Perhaps this will ultimately be considered a wakeup call for us to start to work towards a better country overall, so maybe it'll be close to a positive long-term?

The way Europe solved this was to regulate the card interchange fees. Accepting cards became so cheap that it's probably cheaper than the costs of handling cash for many businesses. It's pretty rare to find cash-only businesses now days, unless their machine/internet is broken.

Debit interchange is at least somewhat capped here, but at least 40% of debit cards aren't subject to said cap (IIRC), so there's still incentives for merchants to discourage card use (or force consumer unfriendly measures like PIN prompts when using debit cards with Apple Pay).

Of course, I don't see credit cards and those 40%+ of debit cards being capped any time soon, if ever. And there seems to be enough dislike of the card networks by merchants that I'm not even sure many of the holdouts would suddenly enable contactless even if running it was effectively free for them.
 
I love the subway. Wouldn’t be NY without it.

Of course, it would be better if the A/C always worked, the trains always came on time, etc. :)

it would also be great if the a/c always worked, but more subtly, where you didn't need to carry a hoodie with you in july just to avoid getting pneumonia :))
 
Historical reasons. Telephone infrastructure was much better here than in most other countries, so there was little impetus to use smart cards for a long time. Because we used magstripe entirely up until recently, the switch to smart device payments took longer because we had to switch a lot of the infrastructure.
Also, quite a few companies resisted NFC because they wanted to do their own payment apps. Thankfully a lot of that nonsense ended when Covid happened and everyone demanded contactless, but there are still holdouts, like Walmart.

It's extra frustrating because the hardware is there and ready; they artificially disable it.
 
it would also be great if the a/c always worked, but more subtly, where you didn't need to carry a hoodie with you in july just to avoid getting pneumonia :))

Nah, I’ll take the cold over the alternative. Of course, you get the complete experience nowadays - 110 degrees on the platform, and 57 degrees on the lexington express.
 
You don’t even know what you are saying....

- A Mexican guy -

The NY subway, technologically, has lagged most of the world. My father was one of the contractors involved in upgrading it to do things like provide notifications as to when the next train would arrive, and that was only a few years back. I love the subway, but it’s certainly comparatively low-tech.
 
Nah, I’ll take the cold over the alternative. Of course, you get the complete experience nowadays - 110 degrees on the platform, and 57 degrees on the lexington express.

the green line is the worst! i used to live off the 4-5 then moved a few blocks and the 2-3 was closer - it was a bit better. i'm all for air conditioning, but in the u.s. there is some secret agreement about blasting it at 100%. when i visited israel i was very surprised that in a noticeably hotter climate - the a/c use was much more pleasant...
 
The NY subway, technologically, has lagged most of the world. My father was one of the contractors involved in upgrading it to do things like provide notifications as to when the next train would arrive, and that was only a few years back. I love the subway, but it’s certainly comparatively low-tech.
it drove me crazy that the green line has had it for a few years before any other line. granted i lived off the 4-5 then, but whenever i would be taking any other line - i would be in the dark!
 
it drove me crazy that the green line has had it for a few years before any other line. granted i lived off the 4-5 then, but whenever i would be taking any other line - i would be in the dark!

I moved to California, and haven’t even seen my father’s work :) When I worked on 42nd and 3rd, deciding whether to take the shuttle or the 7 across town from the port authority, whether to hop on the 6 or hold out for the 4, etc. was all an art form. A lot of guess work about what train would arrive when, and if you guessed wrong, you’d jump out of one train and run across the platform to the other after a few stops.
 
I moved to California, and haven’t even seen my father’s work :) When I worked on 42nd and 3rd, deciding whether to take the shuttle or the 7 across town from the port authority, whether to hop on the 6 or hold out for the 4, etc. was all an art form. A lot of guess work about what train would arrive when, and if you guessed wrong, you’d jump out of one train and run across the platform to the other after a few stops.
sounds about right) the good old days, before we had smartphones that would tell us when the next train will be arriving :)
 
The NY subway, technologically, has lagged most of the world. My father was one of the contractors involved in upgrading it to do things like provide notifications as to when the next train would arrive, and that was only a few years back. I love the subway, but it’s certainly comparatively low-tech.

sounds about right) the good old days, before we had smartphones that would tell us when the next train will be arriving

Have you ever tried the Mexico City subway? What you are talking about is like “Back to the Future” dream in Mexico.....

I dare you to try it once in your life. Just be sure to keep your wallet in your front pocket and leave your Apple Watch in your hotel, and of course, carry enough cash because Apple Pay is not a valid payment way.
 
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Hasn't been possible since they started the rollout.

Hoping we can transfer our MTA cards covered by work when things return to "normal".
I don't believe you'll be able to. You'll be stuck using metrocards until they start rolling out tap to go cards. As of now, you can't pre-pay for rides. You will eventually but they haven't started that part yet.
 
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