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Big-TDI-Guy

macrumors 68030
Jan 11, 2007
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I ditto the comments about Apples secrecy being necessary to their business model. Especially so today - with Asian companies who have gotten so good at cloning products. The longer you can keep others in the dark - the longer you get to run with a product that has little to no competition.

And as for working in a secret area - it might be different for Apple - but for pretty much every else, it sucks. A royal PITA - those card swipe and cipher doors get very old every time you have to pee, go to lunch, ect... And don't forget all the logs, paperwork and checklists involved with all of that. Less fun than previously indicated... Even if you get to use iris scanners....
 

elppa

macrumors 68040
Nov 26, 2003
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In contrast to many companies that have adopted open communications policies, including adding blog and Twitter presences, Apple stands out as an innovative technology company that continues to shun such avenues of communications in favor of keeping information as close to the vest as possible

Apple's Movie Trailers website uses Twitter, so this isn't completely true…

See: http://twitter.com/itunestrailers/

They've got nearly 400,00 followers
 

kockgunner

macrumors 68000
Sep 24, 2007
1,565
22
Vancouver, Canada
Whether or not you think is is good or bad, in this day and age when we see video and tweets of happenings in Iran as they happen despite the government's attempts to lock down information, it is amazing to me that Apple still successfully keeps product details so well protected until release.

Its easier to cotrol a small company than a while country though. Although I must say I admire the people who are brave enough to record what's happening in Iran, and also the young protesting women.
 

oneschance

macrumors member
Jul 11, 2008
38
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ann arbor mi
While I can see the value in keeping certain projects secret, spreading misinformation to spot leaks has trouble written all over it.

I think it'd be "cool" to work on something secret and watch the eventual public feedback on it. However, I'd have reservations working for a company that did not trust it's employees...




no worries to the honest employees i assume.
 

dangleheart

macrumors 6502
Jun 29, 2007
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NYT has to fill in their pages. They have to survive in a dwindling ad market. This is much ado about nothing.

Steve Jobs' health issues, when he is on medical leave, is personal information and I am glad they managed to keep it that way until some twit from WSJ got wind of it. If his return date to Apple gets moved, then that is information that needs to be disclosed.
 

oneschance

macrumors member
Jul 11, 2008
38
0
ann arbor mi
Most of the a__holes demanding Apple be forthcoming on this issue and others too, aren't in the slightest interested in understanding the issues, nor are they capable (it seems) of understanding that Apple's real investors and loyal users, are quite happy accepting the secrecy and trusting Apple and it's board.

Manipulators and predators wish they could change Apple's mode of operation ... only to fit things in their own little agenda.

Apple's big advantage is that it "thinks different" and therefore leads - It has learned from history that "loose lips, sink ships" and will never show it's hand to people who can't do anything but second guess, copy, steal and manipulate.

Anyone who doesn't like that can go look for another investment or day trading stock, or for that matter buy competitor's products.

Anyone else who does appreciate quality products, software or the company's way of thinking - Support and stay the course, you won't be let down.

:D:D:D:D:D

"i like it a lot" :apple:
 

sailingkid207

macrumors newbie
Jun 19, 2009
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wow, imagine being in one of those "top secret" rooms.. :cool:

However, it always seems that they products eventually leak before they are supposed too.

hey 2 ??? how did u get the 3G S logo ? and second why do all these people put different apple thins under there coments??
 

DMann

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Jan 13, 2002
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+1

The media should accept the fact that they are becoming irrelevant by the day. They are still in denial, which explains why they become so desperate when they can't get the scoop. So they turn the tables around, and point a finger at Apple, claiming that their lack of transparency is detrimental to the company's well being. What a crock. So to all the analysts and reporters out there who are complaining about Apple's discretion, please know this: Apple's approach works, and you guys know it. What you also know is that you are becoming irrelevant. The sooner you accept the fact that you are being relegated to the fringes, the better it is for your health. Have a nice day.
True - the advent of the internet and the blog has all but leveled out the field for reporters, columnists, and general paparazzi seeking star status - what a bunch.
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
10,703
1
Canada
True - the advent of the internet and the blog has all but leveled out the field for reporters, columnists, and general paparazzi seeking star status - what a bunch.

I was thinking of becoming an analyst.

You should try it, too. Apparently, we can all become analysts now.

:D
 

avionicsman

macrumors member
Jan 6, 2009
46
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Canuck Land!!
besides...

without secrecy we would not want the "New 27' OLED iMac with wireless N bluetooth 2.5, USB 3.0, 1GB MHZ RAM, 16 gig of it. 1 TB SSD Hard Drive. wireless mouse and Keyboard. All being powered by the new Mountain Lion OS 10.8!!!

Hey please add to the fantasy iMac if you want!!
 

lostngone

macrumors 65816
Aug 11, 2003
1,431
3,804
Anchorage
I for one am glad I don't work in an environment like that, because I have(but not at Apple).

Its neat to work on secret stuff for a little while however you grow tired of all the security and audits/investigations. No one trusts anyone else, if something gets leaked from your department everyone is suspicious of everyone else and then finger-pointing and investigations begin.

Imagine having to go though the worst, most detailed Airport security check-point you have ever experienced every single time you enter AND exit your place of work.

Not fun! :(


Edit: Also you can't have items like MP3 players, cell phones, laptops, cameras, or external memory storage devices(thumb drives) of any type at work.
 

Stately

macrumors 6502a
May 14, 2008
768
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NYC
We know Apple makes great stuff, as a result it can get HIGHLY frustrating when Apple keeps thing too quiet. The anticipation of fun things that make our lives better can balloon enormously as we have seen time and time again here on Macrumors. However I am definitely one that firmly believes in doing, instead of always talking about doing and getting nothing done. Full steam ahead Apple . . Full steam ahead. :D
 

SG1-1

macrumors member
Apr 30, 2009
80
0
Most of the a__holes demanding Apple be forthcoming on this issue and others too, aren't in the slightest interested in understanding the issues, nor are they capable (it seems) of understanding that Apple's real investors and loyal users, are quite happy accepting the secrecy and trusting Apple and it's board.

Manipulators and predators wish they could change Apple's mode of operation ... only to fit things in their own little agenda.

Apple's big advantage is that it "thinks different" and therefore leads - It has learned from history that "loose lips, sink ships" and will never show it's hand to people who can't do anything but second guess, copy, steal and manipulate.

Anyone who doesn't like that can go look for another investment or day trading stock, or for that matter buy competitor's products.

Anyone else who does appreciate quality products, software or the company's way of thinking - Support and stay the course, you won't be let down.

This is a very intelligent post of what is occurring, Apple got screwed before by trusting, not anymore....

Disclosure is a double edged Sword, Give out too much information and it can be used to manipulate stocks also giving the greatest chance of having information stolen and used to the benefit of someone else.

Not giving enough information makes the Predatory hounds angry, But give just enough and your covered. And this it seems is the argument some are having, I guess it's a matter of prospective. I myself believe Apple gave enough information and without proof to the contrary, I am happy with that as a Consumer and a Stockholder.

I for one Applaud Apple for having the Fortitude to stick by there beliefs & hold steadfast without conviction.

But I am only one voice out of many, but there are allot of us that think the same.;)
 

Banyan Bruce

macrumors regular
Jun 8, 2009
148
13
Devon, UK
The Art of War.

SunTsu said keeping Secrets and the use of spies is good ....I think so anyway.

18. Be subtle! be subtle! and use your spies for every
kind of business.

19. If a secret piece of news is divulged by a spy
before the time is ripe, he must be put to death together
with the man to whom the secret was told.

20. Whether the object be to crush an army, to storm
a city, or to assassinate an individual, it is always
necessary to begin by finding out the names of the attendants,
the aides-de-camp, and door-keepers and sentries of the general
in command. Our spies must be commissioned to ascertain these.

21. The enemy's spies who have come to spy on us
must be sought out, tempted with bribes, led away and
comfortably housed. Thus they will become converted
spies and available for our service.

22. It is through the information brought by the
converted spy that we are able to acquire and employ
local and inward spies.

23. It is owing to his information, again, that we can
cause the doomed spy to carry false tidings to the enemy.

24. Lastly, it is by his information that the surviving
spy can be used on appointed occasions.

25. The end and aim of spying in all its five varieties
is knowledge of the enemy; and this knowledge can only
be derived, in the first instance, from the converted spy.
Hence it is essential that the converted spy be treated
with the utmost liberality.

26. Of old, the rise of the Yin dynasty was due to I
Chih who had served under the Hsia. Likewise, the rise
of the Chou dynasty was due to Lu Ya who had served
under the Yin.

27. Hence it is only the enlightened ruler and the
wise general who will use the highest intelligence of
the army for purposes of spying and thereby they achieve
great results. Spies are a most important element in water,
because on them depends an army's ability to move.
 

jschu22

macrumors 6502
Apr 12, 2008
259
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The last sentence provides the whole motivation for the article. The media just can't stand it when someone, or some company, does not bow down and spill all when approached by a journalist.

This is a great post.

I started dismissing anything the NYT shovels out as near-socialist propaganda with an agenda long ago. And I'm not even a Republican.
 

mdriftmeyer

macrumors 68040
Feb 2, 2004
3,664
1,536
Pacific Northwest
When they weren't close to the vest every one was copying their products and being near their product launches with competitive versions.

I expect the secrecy to continue, as it should.
 
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