Unfortunately I dont feel that happens, maybe not in the Basics and Help Forum but in other areas. Some new members get a ridiculously hard time of it. I have seen it many many times and have also been put in time out for speaking up against it.
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Unfortunately I dont feel that happens, maybe not in the Basics and Help Forum but in other areas. Some new members get a ridiculously hard time of it. I have seen it many many times and have also been put in time out for speaking up against it.
Be assured that nobody gets time-outs simply for complaining when Newbies are given non-useful answers. Send me a Private Message if you have questions about that particular incident.
If a Newbie asks a question that's been answered elsewhere, I think it's best to tell them the answer or give them a link to the answer. It can be helpful to also remind them that they can use the Search function to help themselves, but it's unhelpful to only tell them to use the Search function.
It's not pleasant when you suggest a user to search after posting a link to the answer(s) with several seconds of search effort.
Thats what I see a lot of the time. On many occasions it is said in not very friendly ways.
Just find it a shame that happens. The solution to the problem, who knows??
You'd actually be encouraging the opposite behavior. By segregating the "newbies" to their own forum, you're confining the problems as well. In doing this, the result is a forum where less attention is paid to the rules, giving new users the impression that duplicate threads, flaming, trolling, etc. are all normal behaviors.
With this current system, however, this behavior is immediately identified and dealt with; essentially nipping the problem in the bud.
Well, the solution to that problem is the age-old adage, "If you haven't anything nice to say, then don't say it at all." If your comment is in no way helpful, or otherwise does not contribute to the conversation, then don't post.
A newbie who runs over here and makes a post about this new company they just found (aka, Psystar) that is releasing clones.
Anyone posting that and acting like it is new news deserves to have their gonads roasted.
When these threads are everywhere or sitting on the front page, the newbie, and veteran members sometimes do need a slap upside the head.
Some topics people just get tired of seeing new threads on, and members will launch off on people starting them.
--- Edit: Easily handled to get rid of a newbie post with a report post, but some people are using the newbies as stress balls anyway.
Look in wasteland and look at what some of the moderators (in their pre-mod days) used to say to newbies when they posted advertising and pyramid schemes. (cough, edesignuk, cough)
What about this
I think that you all should just make it so someone cant post a new thread or a new thread in a certain section until you get like 20 posts. I am new and this would be fine; and also if you needed to post a thread than you could quickly try to post.(of course these would mostly be worthless posts; so some sort of thank-you system could be used where if someone posts a useful reply some higher member could thank them or the thread starter could). Just some ideas
I think that you all should just make it so someone cant post a new thread or a new thread in a certain section until you get like 20 posts. I am new and this would be fine; and also if you needed to post a thread than you could quickly try to post.(of course these would mostly be worthless posts; so some sort of thank-you system could be used where if someone posts a useful reply some higher member could thank them or the thread starter could). Just some ideas
I disagree with this. I've seen users post a thread asking "How do i do X on a Y", and then on a simple search for X and Y you get the answer they wanted straight away. In this case i think saying "Just search" is a legitimate reply. Maybe a link to a forum sticky explaining how to use the search function/google and why being lazy is annoying to other people!
Some people expect answers to be handed to them on silver platters without doing any of the work themselves (which in some cases is so mindnumbingly easy).
Then again, maybe instead of punishing these users, maybe we should punish the users who bring them the answers on a silver platter
I don't know if "just search" works, I think you'd be better off putting a link to the thread with a comment of "found using a search using X and Y."
I'm not entirely sure how it works in other people's heads but for some odd reason searching on the internet seems to be almost an art form. I can find most anything I want using search engines on the first try. My wife can struggle trying to find the same stuff for 3-4 searches so often she just makes me do the search since I find the information quicker. Telling them to "just search" will just make them mad, showing them what to search for might actually help them with future searches.
Well if you say "I did a search for X and Y in the forum search and/or google, and found the answer straight away"
I know what you mean about searching though. I know that sometimes you need to know exactly what to search for to find things, and know alternative words for the problem.
However in the case (which is very common) where the question is as i put it above; "How do i do X with Y" and then searching for X and Y finds the answer. It can't be that hard for someone to do that search themselves.
Or at least they can show what they tried by saying "I searched google and the forums but can't find anything for it". It just boils down to sheer laziness on the persons behalf.
You'd think that, but I've seen plenty of very intelligent, non-computer savvy people be baffled on how to find the most basic things on the net when presented with the Google homepage. I think telling them to do a search for X and Y (if you know that will yield the answer) would be a valid response. Just be sure to include a link to the search engine used like
http://www.google.com
or
https://forums.macrumors.com/search/
you can always use the url tags too
[url=https://forums.macrumors.com/search/]search[/url]
search
As a *ahem* newbie...
I would appreciate having a "newbie forum" where I could create posts and spam to up my post count.
I'd really like to post in Marketplace. That's why I joined -- I'm thinking of selling a MBP and would like to post a feeler thread to check my estimated price range.
A spam spot would be great, so I could hit a hundred post reasonably quickly (not that it would remove the agony of posting solely to increase post count), but it wouldn't really help anybody check out my forum history for honesty tests or any such. It might help somebody figure out if I had read the forum rules and thus knew (a) it takes 100 posts to be able to start a thread in Marketplace and (b) the newbie forum is the place to dump spam posts to up my post #s.
Having said that, I'm exploring... (and posting...) and I think I just found the place to post my unanswered question about whether it's too painful to give up a lovely 15" Macbook Pro screen despite the fact that it's becoming my desktop...
So there are benefits (besides pure spam control) to having some initial newbie post # requirements. <sigh>
I would appreciate having a "newbie forum" where I could create posts and spam to up my post count.
I'd really like to post in Marketplace. That's why I joined -- I'm thinking of selling a MBP and would like to post a feeler thread to check my estimated price range.
A spam spot would be great, so I could hit a hundred post reasonably quickly (not that it would remove the agony of posting solely to increase post count), but it wouldn't really help anybody check out my forum history for honesty tests or any such. It might help somebody figure out if I had read the forum rules and thus knew (a) it takes 100 posts to be able to start a thread in Marketplace and (b) the newbie forum is the place to dump spam posts to up my post #s.
Having said that, I'm exploring... (and posting...) and I think I just found the place to post my unanswered question about whether it's too painful to give up a lovely 15" Macbook Pro screen despite the fact that it's becoming my desktop...
So there are benefits (besides pure spam control) to having some initial newbie post # requirements. <sigh>